How many of you use insulin while cutting?

[bigzzz]

Seems to be a lot of different opinions across people/boards regarding this.

Why do you use it and opt(or don't) it above metformin(or whatever you need) for example in a cut?

 

[luki7788]

if you use gh in higher doses then I can't imagine not using insulin at any time, be it growth or cutting

 

[Fleezy]

if you use gh in higher doses then I can't imagine not using insulin at any time, be it growth or cutting

But what purpose would it serve for cutting - when on high doses of gh?

 

[luki7788]

But what purpose would it serve for cutting - when on high doses of gh?

firstly - insulin is the strongest anti-catabolic available, secondly - it accelerates post-exercise recovery, thirdly - it helps to keep muscles full

 

[bigzzz]

if you use gh in higher doses then I can't imagine not using insulin at any time, be it growth or cutting

And what if you are not on a high dose of GH? Let's say 4iu?

 

[qbkilla]

Depends on how many calories/carbs your taking in.

 

[bigzzz]

Depends on how many calories/carbs your taking in.

Not really, since metformin can do a great job in that(for most, 98% non mass monsters on this board).

 

[xyz14]

Last prep I've added prewo insulin like 3iu apidra at 4 weeks out.
Kept me performing better, fuller during training.
Just moved carbs to intra to be safe (25g maltodextrin).
I think if used correctly it can actually lead to better fat loss since your training will get better thus you will hold more muscle and burn more calories.

Next prep I'm gonna do it all the way through, don't see an issue with it as long as you move your carbs appropriately around it

 

[qbkilla]

Not really, since metformin can do a great job in that(for most, 98% non mass monsters on this board).

No I mean your insulin intake, are you talking about fast acting pre and or Post? I use novalin r.
If I'm bulking and eating 120 g carbs pre workout maybe I can use 10 iu and be fine.

But say I'm cutting and now my pre workout meal is only 70g carbs, I can't take 10 iu or id probably go hypo. So maybe now I can only take 5 iu

If your talking long acting that's different, I only use slin pre and post

 

[Reno911]

How many more new threads can you start on already discussed topics?

 

[juggy38]

As stated, even a very simple plan of 5iu humulin R 30-45 minutes pre workout on training days can help recovery a lot. Just move 20-30g carbs from other meals and put it in an intra liquid with 15-20g EAAs

Net MPB=MPS-MPB

Insulin halts MPB very efficiently.

 

[Fleezy]

Insulin halts MPB very efficiently.

male pattern baldness?

 

[slesh]

How many more new threads can you start on already discussed topics?

@bigzzz you're a nice dude and glad to have you here - but you been beating a bunch of dead horses...

 

[qbkilla]

As stated, even a very simple plan of 5iu humulin R 30-45 minutes pre workout on training days can help recovery a lot. Just move 20-30g carbs from other meals and put it in an intra liquid with 15-20g EAAs

Net MPB=MPS-MPB

Insulin halts MPB very efficiently.

This is how I do mine, pre. But IMO there is no need for liquid carbs, my pre workout meal egg whites, oats, banana is more than enough. I take 7 iu pre and my pre workout meal has over 100 carbs. I have smarties in gym bag if needed. If I increase dose and need more carbs I'll pull them from a later meal and add to my pre workout meal.

 

[b-boy]

male pattern baldness?

LOL
MPS - muscle protein synthesis
MPB - muscle protein breakdown

 

[juggy38]

LOL
MPS - muscle protein synthesis
MPB - muscle protein breakdown

I laughed out loud on male pattern baldness

 

[juggy38]

This is how I do mine, pre. But IMO there is no need for liquid carbs, my pre workout meal egg whites, oats, banana is more than enough. I take 7 iu pre and my pre workout meal has over 100 carbs. I have smarties in gym bag if needed. If I increase dose and need more carbs I'll pull them from a later meal and add to my pre workout meal.

I don’t like food or carbs before lifting. My whole meal is usually 90 minutes out, protein, some fats and some veggies like tomato slices and baby carrots.

Carbs make me lethargic AF. BUT I’ve trained semi fasted for a decade in the mornings.

But yes I agree if you eat carbs an hour out, you’ll be ok. But carry candy just in case. Who doesn’t like An excuse for candy anyways?

 

[Fleezy]

firstly - insulin is the strongest anti-catabolic available, secondly - it accelerates post-exercise recovery, thirdly - it helps to keep muscles full

Would you still utilize insulin if using low dose dnp?

 

[TheRoid]

I don’t like food or carbs before lifting. My whole meal is usually 90 minutes out, protein, some fats and some veggies like tomato slices and baby carrots.

Carbs make me lethargic AF. BUT I’ve trained semi fasted for a decade in the mornings.

But yes I agree if you eat carbs an hour out, you’ll be ok. But carry candy just in case. Who doesn’t like An excuse for candy anyways?

Eating a solid meal just before lifting is a sure-fire way to have a shitty workout.

 

[qbkilla]

I don’t like food or carbs before lifting. My whole meal is usually 90 minutes out, protein, some fats and some veggies like tomato slices and baby carrots.

Carbs make me lethargic AF. BUT I’ve trained semi fasted for a decade in the mornings.

But yes I agree if you eat carbs an hour out, you’ll be ok. But carry candy just in case. Who doesn’t like An excuse for candy anyways?

Agree. I always make sure I have 2 high carb meals in me before training especially if using slin so my situation is different. I've also trained fasted (no slin if course) and was fine. I try not to need the candy because then I have to subtract those carbs from my next meal ha