How to draw blood? Need help

[triathloncoach]

I need to donate blood but I am on accutane and can not. What do I need to do this myself. Yes, I know this is not ideal by any stretch of the imagination. I believe I need some sort of vacuum device. Can anyone recommend the medical supplies needed and a good source?

 

[Gunsmith]

I need to donate blood but I am on accutane and can not. What do I need to do this myself. Yes, I know this is not ideal by any stretch of the imagination. I believe I need some sort of vacuum device. Can anyone recommend the medical supplies needed and a good source?

Seriously??

You don't need a vacume of any kind the pressure in the body will fill a bag. , I highly advise against this unless you have started a couple dozen IV's on other people starting one on yourself ain't no pic-nick.

But if your just looking to "Bleed" yourself then you could do it with a 20g needle and poke a vein , have some way to measure what your loosing. But again the needles you use to pin with and what used to draw blood are totaly differant. Just going and jabbing a vein with a big ass pin is a very bad idea unless you in some way trying to save a life or somthing like that

I would suggest you take a break from the accutane for a bit and donate.

 

[PsyT]

Its easy bro. Poke your vein with a syringe and pull back. You can do that shit one handed (I can at least from a bad habit 8 years ago ). Everybody who ever gives themselves an IV shot has done it a little bit (the crimson cloud to make sure you're registered).

 

[PsyT]

WAIT

are you saying you need to put some of your blood INSIDE ANOTHER PERSON?

I seriously hope you are not saying that. If you are thinking about doing that then you are fucking insane. I hope you're not talking about doing a 'home blood transfusion'

There are way too many complications for you to pull this off safely

 

[Gunsmith]

WAIT

are you saying you need to put some of your blood INSIDE ANOTHER PERSON?

I seriously hope you are not saying that. If you are thinking about doing that then you are fucking insane. I hope you're not talking about doing a 'home blood transfusion'

There are way too many complications for you to pull this off safely

No , I think he is just looking to thin his blood out some , donating blood is a very good idea , kinda like changing the oil in your car
but drawing 3cc of blood is totaly differat that putting a needle in for 5-10 min to drain out a pint of so

 

[PsyT]

ah ok well that makes sense...his blood is too thick from AAS then???

You can go to medical supply house and get a fixed syringe, tube, and blood bag fairly cheaply. I believe gravity and decent blood pressure would get the bag filling.

 

[triathloncoach]

Thanks guys

Yes, I need to thin my blood. I made an attempt last week with a 20 gauge and had no trouble hitting the vein. But it only trickled out for a moment or two. So I was wondering if their is some sort of vacuum/gravity device that is necessary to keep the blood flowing.

Dumb? You bet. But I'm only 3 weeks into my accutane and I would need to stop for a month. And the accutane is really working.

Can someone list out what I need to buy to pull out a pint?

 

[Gunsmith]

Their is still a significant amount of pressure in the vein , not as much as an artery but enough , you may have passed through the vein. You could try with a bigger needle like a 15 or 16 guage 1.5" long , you need to put just enough angle on it so it will go into the vein and once you get a flash of blood STOP and use a piece of tape to hold it down and still.

without a bag , you can use a 3cc syringe , before you start pull the plunger back to about 2.5cc , this will give you room to allow blood to get in yet keep it frow spraying , once you get the veinand have it taped down pull the plunger out and let it flow.

again , i think this is a realy bad idea !

 

[Tyrone]

Last time I gave blood they took it first and then tested it...You should be able to at least give blood...Try that before doing it yourself.

 

[tenny]

i'm pretty sure its ILLEGAL to give blood if you know you cannot

 

[triathloncoach]

I thought about just donating

But then I read that 80% of women who took accutane gave birth to babies with severe birth defects. (yes 80%) If my blood was given to a pregnant woman.......that would be the worst thing I have done in my 46 years on this planet. And I have been very bad. I'll stroke out first.

 

[EDED]

so you are like a reverse vampire, you need to get rid of blood otherwise you are going to turn into a dust or something?

are you going to like explode like Gusher candy commercial? that i want to see.



what is wrong with you, and how do you know that you MUST MUST HAVE TO donate blood, explain yourself

blood leting? fucking get some leeches man,

i really dont understand this,

"im on eq and test if i dont bleed out i will dieeeee" why do people think that way, ANY AAS will increase RBC. many people would have died already if this was so dangerous.

you got hematocrit result or RBC results to prove this?

something you should NOT worry about

are you one EPO or something?

anybody else think this is nutty?

 

[Gambel]

I agree that self phlebotomy is probably not a wise option if you are concerned about your long-term health. Do you know what your hemoglobin/HCT currently are? Are you symptomatic at all? In other words, are you experience visual changes, weakness, tiredness, headache, light-headedness, difficulty breathing, or night sweats? If you are experiencing any of these symptoms, then I would recommend being evaluated by a medical professional as soon as possible. If you Polycythemia Vera secondary to supplementation, then they can go ahead and treat you via phlebotomy in a controlled medical setting. If you are not symptomatic at all and your Hb/HCT have not reached a dangerously high level, then you could also consider discontinuing the accutate for the required time period and donating blood. Best of luck to you.

 

[triathloncoach]

Thanks

I'm 46 and my last blood work was about 5 months ago and my RBC was right up at the top of normal.

Lately and for the first time I have been having high blood pressure issues. These issues have not responded to a diuretic. I'm guessing my RBC has crept up. I have a script for blood work, but I am very concerned that if it is significantly out of whack it will be on my permanent health record. I work in the Pharma industry and know that your records are not private.

So I'm pre-emptively planning to draw out a pint of blood.

Could it be unnecessary? You bet. But I don't see the extreme danger tho'. Hey guys, is it more recklessly dangerous than importing and watching DVDs made in some chinese basement?

If there is something I should know please tell me, but this board is all about questionable behavior. But I feel the love and concern. And I sincerely appreciate the skeptical and dissuading responses.

 

[maldorf]

All you need is a big syringe to create a vacuum and draw out the blood. Then you simply empty it out and reattach it again and draw more until you get the desired volume. You are playing with fire though IMO. I did my own plebotomy just days before I ended up getting a blood clot in my heart that almost killed me. Now my heart is half dead and I have an implanted defibrillator. My life is pretty f_cked up now. Get your hematocrit and hemoglobin checked and if its high get off the AAS asap.

 

[maldorf]

Doing a plebotomy can increase your platelet count= increase chance of clot

This is legitimate medical research here.

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/professional-muscle-forum/48541-doing-phlebotomy-can-increase-your-platelet-count.html

Something I was not aware of. If I could go back in time I would not have done my own. I would have gotten off the AAS until my levels got back down to normal. Thats what all of my docs told me to do but I choose to not listen to them.

 

[Gambel]

I'm 46 and my last blood work was about 5 months ago and my RBC was right up at the top of normal.

Lately and for the first time I have been having high blood pressure issues. These issues have not responded to a diuretic. I'm guessing my RBC has crept up. I have a script for blood work, but I am very concerned that if it is significantly out of whack it will be on my permanent health record. I work in the Pharma industry and know that your records are not private.

So I'm pre-emptively planning to draw out a pint of blood.

Could it be unnecessary? You bet. But I don't see the extreme danger tho'. Hey guys, is it more recklessly dangerous than importing and watching DVDs made in some chinese basement?

If there is something I should know please tell me, but this board is all about questionable behavior. But I feel the love and concern. And I sincerely appreciate the skeptical and dissuading responses.

The platelet issue Maldorf mentioned is a concern if this becomes repetitive for you. Having placed IVs and drawn blood on myself during medical school (many moons ago), I know that it is not the easiest thing to do without blowing a vein if you have not practiced it regularly. Search around your area, you may be able to find a phlebotomist that can help you. If you are going to do it yourself, then a butterfly needle and appropriate vacuum tubes would be the easiest way to go. For example, the supplies provided at:
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Best of luck to you. Much respect!

 

[sadie]

Yes, I need to thin my blood. I made an attempt last week with a 20 gauge and had no trouble hitting the vein. But it only trickled out for a moment or two. So I was wondering if their is some sort of vacuum/gravity device that is necessary to keep the blood flowing.

Dumb? You bet. But I'm only 3 weeks into my accutane and I would need to stop for a month. And the accutane is really working.

Can someone list out what I need to buy to pull out a pint?

search medical supply stores in ur area.. either get a bag or if they dont have those then get those capped glass tubes they use to do blood work.. that will be slower obviously but better then just pulling 3ccs at a time with a reg syringe..

have u ever had to stick a vein before.. its more technical then stabbing ur ass hun.. please be careful its very easy to go through them, collapse them.l veins roll etc.. the hands are the easiest but will be the most painful in this case cause u are supposed to use a huge needle.. sit on a chair with arms.. tip ur hand down at the wrist.. this helps keep the veins from rolling.. when u hit the vein ull basically feel the pressure release (pressure of you pushing the pin through your skin). STOP when u feel this.. its very easy to go through ur vein which doesnt feel good and bruises u like crazy...


here are online instructions for blood donation

Site preparation and drawing blood

The blood is drawn from a large arm vein close to the skin, usually the median cubital vein on the inside of the elbow. The skin over the blood vessel is cleaned with an antiseptic such as iodine or chlorhexidine[40] to prevent skin bacteria from contaminating the collected blood[40] and also to prevent infections where the needle pierced the donor's skin.[41]

A large[42] needle (16 to 17 gauge) is used to minimize shearing forces that may physically damage red blood cells as they flow through the needle.[43] A tourniquet is sometimes wrapped around the upper arm to increase the pressure of the blood in the arm veins and speed up the process. The donor may also be prompted to hold an object and squeeze it repeatedly to increase the blood flow through the vein.

 

[Scrawny1]

i'm pretty sure its ILLEGAL to give blood if you know you cannot

No.

Just go and donate. There's a box to check when you fill out your paperwork if there's any reason that your donation should not be used. ANY reason. They don't ask you to specify.

So if all of your friends want to go donate and they want you to go...but you know that you gave hepatitis or something...you don't have to say 'no' and then get questions from your friends. You just go along with the peer pressure and donate.

Check the box and they'll destroy your donation.

And you get a cookie.

 

[Gunsmith]

No.

Just go and donate. There's a box to check when you fill out your paperwork if there's any reason that your donation should not be used. ANY reason. They don't ask you to specify.

So if all of your friends want to go donate and they want you to go...but you know that you gave hepatitis or something...you don't have to say 'no' and then get questions from your friends. You just go along with the peer pressure and donate.

Check the box and they'll destroy your donation.

And you get a cookie.

I have seen people turned away fr checking the "do not use" box , also for saying that they have taken asprine in the last 24 hrs. They don't want to waste their resources or time and if you have ever noticed the folks doing the work before the lab gets it generaly arn't the brighest bulbs in the box , no reason to take a chance and rist a batch of blood getting into the syatem that contains accutane.

BUT , theirs no reason you coulden't call the local Red Cross and give that that hypothetical situation and see what they say , just tell that that your on accutane and that your friends are peer pressuring you into donating. Worst they could say was "don't be a wussy and standy up to your friends"