How to lower blood pressure and RHR?

[npcout]

You know what you should change, Jonh - I've suggested it to you many times and I'm honestly worried about you.

I don’t no the backstory, but I do agree, I am worried.

My advice: come off voluntarily before your health forces you off

 

[OldManLogan]

Not to beat a dead horse, but I do fasted morning zone 2 cardio daily and walk 10K or a bit more steps. Yes, it's boring but my BP averages 115/75 at 54 years old, and RHR is around 60-65- used to be 125-130/ 87-82 and RHR 70-75 before I did that change... shit works. I hope it works for you, sir.

 

[Flocci]

Not to sound redundant, but I must echo what others have previously stated. If your BP and HR can’t be controlled on those doses, then something internally is wrong. Unless you’re using grams of gear, high tren/high test with no AI, it shouldn’t be that high.

If you’re doing any cardio and eating remotely like a bodybuilder, those BP drugs should work. Resistant BP indicates something internally is off. I would speculate this is due to high blood viscosity, skewed to hell lipids, and other factors. I know you probably won’t care what others say, but if you do, get the hell off these drugs at the high dosages you seem to be doing, man. I had untreated high BP for years, severe LVH before 30 like an imbecile.

That was my wake-up call. Fix yourself

Did you find anything in particular that helped reverse your lvh? be it lifestyle practices, supplements or changes in drug use.

 

[Karađorđe]

Did you find anything in particular that helped reverse your lvh? be it lifestyle practices, supplements or changes in drug use.

I’m skinny now (for me and bodybuilding standards). I went from about 280 (6’2”) to about 240 and am going down even more.

I cycle every day for about an hour after weights. I don’t do high stim or any pre workouts anymore, just have an energy drink or two. The plan is to get down to about 220 and hang out there for a while. My echocardiogram in May was totally fucked. I just had one in October that looked much better.

I’m still scared to cycle hard (or even at all) again and I probably will wait until May for my one year checkup and echo. I may even take longer and try to fully reverse it as much as I can. I don’t know. I’m 28, and gave up any hopes of doing anything with the sport so I’m in no rush.

I was on from 21-27 or so with no BP control. That 6 year stretch was enough to do a number on me

TRT test at 150mg since May
Nebivolol 5mg
Telmisartan 40mg
Ubiquinol 800mg
Curcumin (dosage varies)

 

[BIG1512]

Cardio, diet, and cardio again. When I actually started keeping my cardio consistent I had to cut my bp meds in half. You wouldn't belive how much cardio and a better diet will help. I make sure I get over 10k steps and do cardio.

 

[pimpman]

I’m skinny now (for me and bodybuilding standards). I went from about 280 (6’2”) to about 240 and am going down even more.

I cycle every day for about an hour after weights. I don’t do high stim or any pre workouts anymore, just have an energy drink or two. The plan is to get down to about 220 and hang out there for a while. My echocardiogram in May was totally fucked. I just had in October that looked much better.

I’m still scared to cycle hard (or even at all) again and I probably will wait until May for my one year checkup and echo. I may even take longer and try to fully reverse it as much as I can. I don’t know. I’m 28, and gave up any hopes of doing anything with the sport so I’m in no rush.

I was on from 21-27 or so with no BP control. That 6 year stretch was enough to do a number on me

TRT test at 150mg since May
Nebivolol 5mg
Telmisartan 40mg
Ubiquinol 800mg
Curcumin (dosage varies)

Bro I don’t know you but 240 is not skinny if your echocardiogram was fucked in may and your only 28. You have such a long life to live. You do you. I’m just saying you need to come off and either just workout without gear or pick up another hobby. This may not be what you want to hear but the truth needs to be said here. Again nothing against you or personal . But you need to re- assess your choices. Life or weightlifting on drugs.good luck with what ever you choose brother

 

[Karađorđe]

Bro I don’t know you but 240 is not skinny if your echocardiogram was fucked in may and your only 28. You have such a long life to live. You do you. I’m just saying you need to come off and either just workout without gear or pick up another hobby. This may not be what you want to hear but the truth needs to be said here. Again nothing against you or personal . But you need to re- assess your choices. Life or weightlifting on drugs.good luck with what ever you choose brother

Thanks Pimpman. I appreciate the honesty, I don’t like being BS’ed. I’m pretty embarrassed what I look like now, honestly. I went from about 280, not super lean, but 12% to about 240 at around the same BF. Losing weight kinda quickly

I purposely downsized. Got a little depressed with the diagnosis in May so strayed from the diet and didn’t train, just did cardio until a few months ago. Now, the goal is 220 as lean as I can be. The 150 test doesn’t seem to hurt anything. My last echo looked a lot better.

 

[pimpman]

Brother again don’t take my comment personal. I just care about people I’m not trying to mislead you in what you want. I just commented like if I was talking to one of my sons. My oldest is just a few years older that you 30. Just please think about what’s best for you. Remember this no matter how good you look no one that looks at you and say wow he looks good will remotely remember you if your gone. Just think about that for a little bit that all I ask brother

 

[pimpman]

Thanks Pimpman. I appreciate the honesty, I don’t like being BS’ed. I’m pretty embarrassed what I look like now, honestly. I went from about 280, not super lean, but 12% to about 240 at around the same BF. Losing weight kinda quickly

I purposely downsized. Got a little depressed with the diagnosis in May so strayed from the diet and didn’t train, just did cardio until a few months ago. Now, the goal is 220 as lean as I can be. The 150 test doesn’t seem to hurt anything. My last echo looked a lot better.

No 150mg won’t kill you. But just clean up the health issues first then start the 150 nothing wrong with that. I’m use this example and hopefully you understand it even though it has nothing to do with body building but it does to what I told you about the 150mg

Say you have a not so good tire on your car and you get a flat and tell the guy at the tire place put a plug in that shit. He tells you ok I can do that but eventually you should get a new tire because it’s pretty bald. You like yea ok plug the bitch. Now this happens 5 more times after until that tire has had so many plugs that just blows up. Now there is no more tire it dead gone. So you have to get a new one. But know if that good new one get a flat a plug is perfect nothing wrong with that.

Sooo what I’m trying to say don’t wait till your health get to the point that the Dr say bro I don’t know what we can do here. So clean up(get the new tire) and then do you thing 150 if you good with that but at least your tire is new. You feel me brother

 

[Ha.Ki.Beom]

If you don;t want to come off you could:

- Add a calcium channel blocker to that mix. Amlodipine together with that max dose telmisartan.
- Increase your nebivolol - 20mg then up even more if nothing.
- Add zone 2 cardio everyday - tracking with a HR monitor 135 bpm + finish off with 3 HIIT max out.
- Add a mild diuretic.

 

[burgundy]

If you don;t want to come off you could:

- Add a calcium channel blocker to that mix. Amlodipine together with that max dose telmisartan.
- Increase your nebivolol - 20mg then up even more if nothing.
- Add zone 2 cardio everyday - tracking with a HR monitor 135 bpm + finish off with 3 HIIT max out.
- Add a mild diuretic.

1. Is that fine to do, raise the Nebivolol all the way up to 20mg?
2. I’m gonna start zone 2 fasted cardio back up, but any advice on getting 10k steps a day while the snow is coming down? I have a sedentary job.

 

[seymoor77]

I think you might see BP lowering after 4-5 cardio sessions let alone if you did it consistently

 

[TheOtherOne55]

I don’t know why you needed 20 other guys to tell u basically why I told u, what Luki told you, etc.

You’ve done this on multiple subjects over quite a bit of time on here. You know the answer, you are being lazy and honestly just hearing what you want. Even with the simple answer of cardio. You do no cardio, surprise surprise people are telling u to do cardio. Do you need thaaat many people to tell u that?

 

[Zamun]

Not to beat a dead horse, but I do fasted morning zone 2 cardio daily and walk 10K or a bit more steps. Yes, it's boring but my BP averages 115/75 at 54 years old, and RHR is around 60-65- used to be 125-130/ 87-82 and RHR 70-75 before I did that change... shit works. I hope it works for you, sir.

What do you do for zone 2?

 

[Sec-Training]

Without coming off gear or doing a cruise, how can I lower my blood pressure and pulse? Not coming off or going to a cruise don’t waste your time advising it.

I already take 80mg Telmisartan and 10mg of Nebivolol every day. Is the answer to just take then even more of both?

Blood pressure and pulse are not looking good. 145/90 and HR is regularly 100BPM.

I haven’t been doing cardio but I am open to starting it up again. Sleep is OK but not great. I have a sleep study scheduled in February.

Competed in October, am now in an off-season phase and pushing up bodyweight. Think I may have slight edema but not sure.

Advice here?

Wonder what your blood pressure is without. Are you sure the blood pressure meds are real? Like everyone here says diet and cardiovascular training

 

[Flex500]

1. Is that fine to do, raise the Nebivolol all the way up to 20mg?
2. I’m gonna start zone 2 fasted cardio back up, but any advice on getting 10k steps a day while the snow is coming down? I have a sedentary job.

get one of those desk treadmills. They usually go up to 3.7mph so you can actually go pretty dang fast. I don't like to work and use it so what I do is at 10 till the hour I hope on for 10 minutes at least 6-7 times a day. Before you know it, you have 60-70 minutes of walking in. I'm in OH and it's -12 wind chill and ice outside so I totally get it man.

 

[OldManLogan]

What do you do for zone 2?

I have a stationary bike, adjust resistance as needed, and I pedal it standing up, not seated. I monitor my heart rate with the bike sensors as well as my Apple Watch to make sure I’m in range.

 

[Hatchet]

Take more drugs in order to keep taking other drugs, which may be harming your health... Got it...
Bodybuilding, LOL...

 

[Cerberus777]

Telemarsan raises my RHR. Cardio and less caffeine lower it. Not sure what you're on. If on to much CNS stimulating gear or water holding gear. Try switching if you wont come down.

 

[burgundy]

Telemarsan raises my RHR. Cardio and less caffeine lower it. Not sure what you're on. If on to much CNS stimulating gear or water holding gear. Try switching if you wont come down.

I was on test, tren, eq, gh, humalog. Just recently came off everything. Also now been doing 20mins of fasted cardio 5-6x a week.

Went from 214 lbs on-stage to 260 lbs offseason in about 2 months. Definitely holding water in my face and ankles.

Pulse has lowered to 85 or so, blood pressure is slowly lowering as well.

Gonna come back on just test and eq soon, along with gh and humalog, keep the cardio in, and hopefully push up to 270-280 depending on composition. Expecting it to fall apart though now that I'm no longer pushing up with tren.

Diet has essentially been "eat my 6 prepped meals + whatever junk I want after" so not particularly great.

420g protein from meat/whey, high carbs, under 50g fat

Still taking 80mg telmisartan and 10mg nebivolol