How to reduce anabolics and get BIGGER

[drkimcrawford]

LOL too many questions

Stewie and all- the 11x worse than T on deca were based on deca derived from progestins (Dr.Dach study) not progesterone. THAT was bad deca. But Y even the "good deca" is obviously worse than T-everything is-just not 11x worse. Remember steroids derived from dht is worst/derived from progesterone best in terms of side effect profile.

Magnesium is very impt and 80% of non bodybuilders are deficient-imagine the deficiencies in BB's so I would for sure add MG to my regimen (I'm on it)....as far as K+.....again busy morning,no time to click on links or find references (sorry) but there are a LOT of BB's who take HCTZ for bloating and THAT causes K deficiency.

AAS increases mineralocorticoid activity (fluid and sodium retention) so it would then make sense that THAT would also cause some inherent K+ depletion in BB's using AAS's. I'm not sure I have seen well done randomized, controlled studies specifically looking at K+ in AAS users to be honest.

Gotta go. Will circle back later this week if I have time and find refs. To Warlock 200 mg is tops on the deca. BTW my friend Dr. Goldman and I agree on just about everything in the BB realm if you think he's knowledgeable.

Oh saw K and thought you were talking about potassium. Vitamin K was mentioned and again I have now like 20 posts in my head so excuse me if I'm not being thorough,etc but Vit K's more important function is to increase the absorption of Vitamin D (so D supplements should contain vit K) which would indeed increase Ca utilization if that was the question which I think it was.

Q about sub-q: Same absorption and distribution where T is concerned but my guys all do IM. Studies were done with supervised sub-Q so IMHO IM is just a better bet for technique, hence absorption and distribution is why I have my guys do IM. The butt is a bigger target then a piece of belly skin.

Polycythemia-Only way to handle is phlebotomy and DO it....don't get that HGb/Hct above 17.5/56-just go every 3 months and donate a pint.

Tren-another AAS that scares me so if you are taking pls do read what you need to protect with either my articles (info by condition-see bodybuilders) or just look through bodybuilding kit and you'll have the categories....all but kidneys and then watch your numbers and your BP.

Need4tren I just attended a special conference by Thierry Hertoge,M.D (excuse the spelling of his name) who is THE guy in Europe/based in Belgium and is THE guy on IGF1LR3-he has ongoing (not yet published) studies looking at muscle biopsies
and it moreso prevents degredation of existing motor neuron units thus resulting in more MNU's.

And he is using a special assay to measure for it over there,would have to ask my lab if we have that here but since it's not legal I doubt it. I have observed IGF-1's going up but now am learning it is likely it is not "getting it all". If we can't measure it accurately I still say so what for now...it's still much safer than AAS's......

You guys "wing it" with the anabolics so please don't diss me for winging it a bit with the IGF1LR3 in terms of ability to accurately measure. Data changes constantly as you know.

Re China: Agree with it's sh-t. All products from there are so be careful. There are sources NOT from China and it's being Rx'ed in Europe,made in Europe for those guys. Since it is not legal in the U.S. I cannot comment in a public forum about useage in the U.S. since my posts are quickly indexed by google.


To the several guys with the nice thank you posts-much appreciated


Have a super day,
Dr.Kim

 

[Stewie]

I noticed "The anabolic steroids increase the concentration of calcium in the cell." in that article. Not to get off subject but I understand that vitamin K is helpful in removing the calcium from the bloodstream. Would I be correct in assuming that supplementing with vitamin K would be beneficial for AAS users? I already do this but I was curious what the doctor and anyone else thought about that.

A more specific answer to your question about anabolics increasing calcium concentrations in cells.

This doesn't necessarily translate to an increase of serum calcium levels. What the the article is stating is there's an increase of intracellular calcium signaling. This is via L-type calcium channel. This is one of many action potentials anabolic steroids exert on different cells.

 

[warlock]

Dr. Kim,

Thank you for all that information.

How much magnesium do you think a bodybuilder should take and what type of magnesium?

As far as donating, do you ever find cases where your patients donate every 3 months or so and get their iron levels depleted? if so, is there anything you suggest?

Thanks

 

[drkimcrawford]

YW

Hi Warlock,
I always say Mg threonate because it is now considered not only best absorbed but the ONLY one that crosses BB barrier and is great for the brain which is getting researched vis a vis BB and AAS and it's looking like you guys need all the brain protection you can get!. Dosing on all MG supplements is same. Just look at my site for mag-CNS in the brain health store for the dose-it's escaping me at the moment-it's 3 caps...and I could look it up and seem like I just have EVERYTHING in my head but nope, not everything LOL.

Have a good day and you are MOST welcome always,
Dr.Kim
PS Brain health is what I'm recognized internationally for.....

 

[need4tren]

Stewie and all- the 11x worse than T on deca were based on deca derived from progestins (Dr.Dach study) not progesterone. THAT was bad deca. But Y even the "good deca" is obviously worse than T-everything is-just not 11x worse. Remember steroids derived from dht is worst/derived from progesterone best in terms of side effect profile.

Magnesium is very impt and 80% of non bodybuilders are deficient-imagine the deficiencies in BB's so I would for sure add MG to my regimen (I'm on it)....as far as K+.....again busy morning,no time to click on links or find references (sorry) but there are a LOT of BB's who take HCTZ for bloating and THAT causes K deficiency.

AAS increases mineralocorticoid activity (fluid and sodium retention) so it would then make sense that THAT would also cause some inherent K+ depletion in BB's using AAS's. I'm not sure I have seen well done randomized, controlled studies specifically looking at K+ in AAS users to be honest.

Gotta go. Will circle back later this week if I have time and find refs. To Warlock 200 mg is tops on the deca. BTW my friend Dr. Goldman and I agree on just about everything in the BB realm if you think he's knowledgeable.

Oh saw K and thought you were talking about potassium. Vitamin K was mentioned and again I have now like 20 posts in my head so excuse me if I'm not being thorough,etc but Vit K's more important function is to increase the absorption of Vitamin D (so D supplements should contain vit K) which would indeed increase Ca utilization if that was the question which I think it was.

Q about sub-q: Same absorption and distribution where T is concerned but my guys all do IM. Studies were done with supervised sub-Q so IMHO IM is just a better bet for technique, hence absorption and distribution is why I have my guys do IM. The butt is a bigger target then a piece of belly skin.

Polycythemia-Only way to handle is phlebotomy and DO it....don't get that HGb/Hct above 17.5/56-just go every 3 months and donate a pint.

Tren-another AAS that scares me so if you are taking pls do read what you need to protect with either my articles (info by condition-see bodybuilders) or just look through bodybuilding kit and you'll have the categories....all but kidneys and then watch your numbers and your BP.

Need4tren I just attended a special conference by Thierry Hertoge,M.D (excuse the spelling of his name) who is THE guy in Europe/based in Belgium and is THE guy on IGF1LR3-he has ongoing (not yet published) studies looking at muscle biopsies
and it moreso prevents degredation of existing motor neuron units thus resulting in more MNU's.

And he is using a special assay to measure for it over there,would have to ask my lab if we have that here but since it's not legal I doubt it. I have observed IGF-1's going up but now am learning it is likely it is not "getting it all". If we can't measure it accurately I still say so what for now...it's still much safer than AAS's......

You guys "wing it" with the anabolics so please don't diss me for winging it a bit with the IGF1LR3 in terms of ability to accurately measure. Data changes constantly as you know.

Re China: Agree with it's sh-t. All products from there are so be careful. There are sources NOT from China and it's being Rx'ed in Europe,made in Europe for those guys. Since it is not legal in the U.S. I cannot comment in a public forum about useage in the U.S. since my posts are quickly indexed by google.


To the several guys with the nice thank you posts-much appreciated


Have a super day,
Dr.Kim

I'm not trying to shoot ur posts down. But igr lr3 has been proven that is not effective in humans and human testing was stopped after years of research. So for you to say you were at "special conference about this peptide" that has been stopped being researched a couple years ago but post no medical study on it doesn't give you any credit. If anything it hurts it

 

[Kendrxck]

I'm not trying to shoot ur posts down. But igr lr3 has been proven that is not effective in humans and human testing was stopped after years of research. So for you to say you were at "special conference about this peptide" that has been stopped being researched a couple years ago but post no medical study on it doesn't give you any credit. If anything it hurts it

She didn't say it was a conference about the peptide.
Also, whatever researching you're referring to, post it.
LR3, from real world experience of thousands of individuals, is effective, regardless of whatever that research you're referring to may say. Real world results do not lie. Science unfortunately does not always carry over.

I'm not defending Dr. Crawford either, just making it aware that you're side of the argument is also flawed.

 

[Elvia1023]

I am on no side but I have personally had amazing results with IGF-1-LR3 in the past. I would never lie or bullshit people. I have heard various educated people say it's completely useless. It's literally one of the best things I have ever used. Unless there was something else in those vials who knows. I have just started it again so I am hoping for similar results.

 

[warlock]

There are tons of threads on IGF-1 LR3 on this board. When legit, many many people absolutely love this peptide.

 

[drkimcrawford]

I'm not trying to shoot ur posts down. But igr lr3 has been proven that is not effective in humans and human testing was stopped after years of research. So for you to say you were at "special conference about this peptide" that has been stopped being researched a couple years ago but post no medical study on it doesn't give you any credit. If anything it hurts it

I'm not here to defend my honor-I've had enough honors bestowed upon me by the medical community. If you read my post I'm telling you that a world renowned A4M doc is doing ongoing study of this and prelim results look good....and my dear TREN I have looked through all threads and all people posting and you more than any single person is trying to just be plain MEAN to me. Why? IDK. Not for me to speculate. But real world experience as you are reading with other guys is positive for IGF1LR3 and there is an ongoing study. My best advice to you is DON"T TAKE IT if you don't think there is any merit to any of this-plain and simple. Fair enough?

Have a lovely evening,
Dr.Kim

 

[ALLEX]

It's literally one of the best things I have ever used. Unless there was something else in those vials who knows.

Igtropin?

 

[Elvia1023]

Igtropin?

No an ex sponsor.

 

[Massive G]

The problem with black market and research chems is you never know what your gonna get from batch to batch or lot to lot.
I know things have changed a lot over the years but back in the day when there were only a few products out there and IGF-1 was in it's infancy - I knew a few people that were selling lower dosed insulin as IGF -1, and people raved about it.
The early days when I tried it , from gro prep and IGTropin from Genesci - I got nothing - GH and regular insulin blew it out of the water.

 

[ALLEX]

No an ex sponsor.

But you did try some of those infamous batches of kigs, right?

 

[Elvia1023]

But you did try some of those infamous batches of kigs, right?

Yes and they were incredible. I think my nose hair grew about 1cm in a week on those I remember I got resent some gold edition which were bunk. Obviously that was the time it all went tits up as they say in the UK

 

[ALLEX]

Yes and they were incredible. I think my nose hair grew about 1cm in a week on those I remember I got resent some gold edition which were bunk. Obviously that was the time it all went tits up as they say in the UK

Yeah, folks would trim their fingernails daily.

Those kigs are supposed to be very pure IGF-1, but who knows?

 

[dragonfire101]

Dr. Kim said free T at 45 max. Normal range is 10 to 30. Her answer was that pushing it over 45 max would be too much from a health point of view. I do not see that as ridiculous. Perhaps you misinterpreted what she meant?

I think maybe different labs use different units of measurement sometimes? So maybe lab he used free test range is higher based unit of measurement? I have had labs were free test range was 9-25 while others were 50-225.

Could be were you looking as well.

There is Free Test calculated based on constants for the binding of testosterone to SHBG and albumin

and there is Frees Test under Bioavailable calculated based on constants for the binding of testosterone to SHBG and albumin. This is usually the higher Free Test number.

Maybe the Dr. can explain differences.

 

[TheRoid]

Dr Kim, may I ask you your opinion on Boldenone, healthwise, based on your experience? Specifically kidneys, blood pressure, lipids and the dreaded blood thickening effect.

Thank you

 

[Wayacrucis]

Dr Kim, may I ask you your opinion on Boldenone, healthwise, based on your experience? Specifically kidneys, blood pressure, lipids and the dreaded blood thickening effect.

Thank you

I was actually going to ask about Equipoise(Boldenone) as well regarding Lipids in particular. Equipoise is a derivative of Testosterone - so I am assuming it would most likely have not have significant negative impact on lipids. Though I’d be nice to have Dr K’s input on this.

Dr K - Just to confirm Oral steroids are the worst for cholesterol, followed by DHT derivatives? Does that mean that even mild DHT derivatives such as Proviron and Primobolan will exert more of a negative impact on lipids when compared to Deca or Equipoise?

Also why is it that Trenbolone is so harsh lipids, since it’s a progesterone much like Deca?


Finally - regarding IGF-1 LR3 - I would like to share my experience with you when I used this peptide, and any input would be much appreciated. I was taking a variety of AAS, and 6IU of Pharmaceutical HGH when I decided to add in 50MCG of IGF-1 LR3 per day. Upon adding the IGF-1 LR3 I noticed 3 things:

1. 15-20 mins after injecting the LR3 - my blood sugar would drop. I would feel shaky. Consuming a large carbohydrate meal with the injection or prior to the injection stopped this from occurring.

2. I noticed that my muscles were much fuller. I attribute this so the “insulin like” properties of the peptide. Is there any data that support’s IGF 1 LR3’s usefulness as a potent GDA - Glucose Disposal agent. I basically noticed that it was very effective at “shuffling” nutrients into the muscles - similar to using Insulin.

3. I gained a lot of water retention. It was almost scary how much water I retained on this peptide. Could this be due to the increased levels of IGF since my IGF levels were already high from the GH?

4. Severe carpel tunnel and tingling/numbess in my hands. This was the most shocking side to me. On 6IU of HGH, I would occasionally experience very minor carpel tunnel. We’re talking once every 3-4 days or so and it would last for less than a second. When IGF was added to the mix, this was happening every day, a few times per day.


Regarding dosage, what do you think is an appropriate dose per day for this peptide? and is it true that receptor desensitization is a concern while using this peptide? (E.g it’s best to use it for 4 weeks, and then take 2-4 weeks off).

 

[drkimcrawford]

Questions

Free T -I''m using Labcorp values of pg/ML and am fairly sure the other "big lab" Quest uses different values so correct.

Free T doesn't take albumin and SHBG into consideration but people generally know the term and know if you have high SHBG you have less "available" T but in practice we don't see high SHBG's in men too much-lots in women due to BCP's so get your women on T replacement (legal)....need to say that since my posts are G-indexed.

Bioavailable T is the more accurate T-it's an equatioin that takes SHBG, T and albumin into account.

Here's on online calculator (you're welcome )
Free & Bioavailable Testosterone calculator

Re anabolics guys-I am not a specialist in anabolic steroids, I'm a specialist in keeping people healthy-all sorts of people-that includes BB's who use AAS. Remember with tren you have 2 types,one more potent. The other one mentioned is a "vet" drug and I haven't looked into it further as I have not had anyone on this.

But general rules are progesterone-derived IM safest and DHT derrived orals worst. But NO AAS is totally safe. None. However we can mitigate damage and if you look at the ingredients in the bodybuilder kit you will see the list of things that JUST PLAIN HAPPEN and what to take to avoid them (for the very most part) from happenning.

Big PS is that I changed my consult packages and did a $50 one so you can see that in the "quick guide" under my signature if you want to get one on one advice about your health and regiment that is 100% private and confidential.

Take care,
Dr.Kim

 

[little slice]

is there a way to increase anabolics and get smaller?