HRT help, big screwup

[mrcat]

OK, so things aren't going exactly as planned. Last time I went in my levels were a bit low. The doc didn't seem to want to do anything at the time, it was after a oral winny cycle, so I wasn't concerned and It seemed to improve, welling wise anyway.

SO, I'm supposed to go in every 3 months, but waited way longer. I wasn't going to bring it up, because I'm 4 weeks into a cycle. Well, next thing I know, she's offering me a shot of test cyp, 200 mg and come back in a month. Of course, I'm not about to turn that down LOL. I get the shot and figure I can delay coming back in like last time, just a little extra jump in the cycle.

Now I get the shot, the lady comes in to draw blood, I figured cbc and a1c. After she draw I ask what, as it seemed like more bottles than expected. She said free and total test etc. I was like oh.....

So, I'm not even sure what the level will be. The stuff I'm using is legit, but older and I had cut it, but the bottles got wet, so I have no real clue the doses. I'm sure the level will be high. I'm not sure my next move, the doc seems clueless about athletic use, I mentioned pro-hormones once and she didn't seem to know what they were.

Anyway, suggestions?

 

[GymDudeVA]

Your post is a little confusing. You were supposed to come in to get your test. checked, but did so while on a cycle, so you are not sure how it will come out in terms of if you will still be eligible for HRT?

Does your doc know about your cycles? And where do the prohormones come in?

My first reaction was "find another doctor". It doesn't sound like you have good communication. Like you couldn't tell him/her "let's not check my test. now, I am on a cycle, sorry", or "those results wont' be useful for determining HRT". If there is a "screw-up" you need to be able to be honest.

 

[hackskii]

Id suggest this lady does not know much about TRT, 200mg of cyp for a month is a joke, typical dosing protocol is 100mg cyp a week, 200 every two weeks, and some do 300 every 3 weeks but that generally wont work for most men, they will get the spikes, then crash.

Winstrol is pretty supressive and can jack your lipid profile. It did mine.

You will be found out with that blood test for free test and total test, they will know for sure you are on.

If you want a very good PCT protocol to bring your levels back to your base values, send me a PM or ask here.
I have an article I wrote on PCT.

 

[mrcat]

You will be found out with that blood test for free test and total test, they will know for sure you are on.

Damn, no she has no clue about my cycles. I'm still hopeful that maybe the doses involved were low enough it won't show. Maybe wishful thinking. It's a bunch of leftover stuff I figure would make an ok cycle. A guess is around 500 a week cyp, 100 sten, and some test-depot around 100 and deca around 200. The only I'm sure of is the sten. The other bottles had the ink messed up.

No winny that was last cycle.

I'm going to pst in late dec. Will think of some excuse for the doc until then...

 

[mrcat]

Your post is a little confusing. You were supposed to come in to get your test. checked, but did so while on a cycle, so you are not sure how it will come out in terms of if you will still be eligible for HRT?

No I'm diabetic, so I went in for A1c and scrip renewals...

BTW she is very conservative and said 200 for the month was to start and would likely have to go higher.

 

[oldfella]

Damn, no she has no clue about my cycles. I'm still hopeful that maybe the doses involved were low enough it won't show. Maybe wishful thinking. It's a bunch of leftover stuff I figure would make an ok cycle. A guess is around 500 a week cyp, 100 sten, and some test-depot around 100 and deca around 200. The only I'm sure of is the sten. The other bottles had the ink messed up.

No winny that was last cycle.

I'm going to pst in late dec. Will think of some excuse for the doc until then...

Your levels will be through the roof on the test alone...............yep you blew it!

 

[hackskii]

100mg a week will put you within normal base levels, 500 will put you way out.
Consider about 7mg a day produces in test, approx 49mg a week, now some of the test is lost due to ester weight, and some lost to metabilization, so 100 puts you about there, some less, potentially some more depending on if the endo will allow.
They want to keep you within range as too low T levels compromise HDL's and LDL's, as well as too high will compromise this too.

Trust me, she will be able to tell but @ 200 a month that is a joke.

 

[mrcat]

100mg a week will put you within normal base levels, 500 will put you way out.

WOW..I had no idea only 100 a week would get you to baseline. Even if I'm 50 percent off on my guess of what this stuff is, I'm going to be way off. I guess nothing to do at this point. Maybe I can say prohormones, I admitted to using them in the past.

Anyway, I'll see how thing play out. Get a new reading in mid jan. Funny I haven't really felt that burning lust I normally feel on a cycle, but my lifts are definitely up and i feel fuller muscle wise.

 

[oldfella]

WOW..I had no idea only 100 a week would get you to baseline. Even if I'm 50 percent off on my guess of what this stuff is, I'm going to be way off. I guess nothing to do at this point. Maybe I can say prohormones, I admitted to using them in the past.

Anyway, I'll see how thing play out. Get a new reading in mid jan. Funny I haven't really felt that burning lust I normally feel on a cycle, but my lifts are definitely up and i feel fuller muscle wise.

Yes if you have to explain it just use the PH as your reason. At least they are legal. Good luck!

 

[hackskii]

Any endo with any common sense would see what you are doing, your free test will be way above base, as well as your total.

 

[morepain]

sometimes 100mg per week is enough to put you at the high end of the range...it is with me even though in the past i severely abused anabolics. I will tell you for a fact that HRT done on a monthly basis is worse than nothing at all. The fluctuations are terrible. Luckily my doc listened to me and was fine with me doing 100mg weekly instead of 200mg bi-weekly. I actually think 50mg twice per week is even better.

 

[hackskii]

sometimes 100mg per week is enough to put you at the high end of the range...it is with me even though in the past i severely abused anabolics. I will tell you for a fact that HRT done on a monthly basis is worse than nothing at all. The fluctuations are terrible. Luckily my doc listened to me and was fine with me doing 100mg weekly instead of 200mg bi-weekly. I actually think 50mg twice per week is even better.

Have you heard about the undeconate HRT, seems it is like every 6 weeks, may take some time to get the numbers up but once it is, very stable.
Not sure if it is here in the States yet.

Yah, monthly dosing is a recepie for disaster, the high's and lows are killer.

 

[wildmontanan]

PCT....

If you want a very good PCT protocol to bring your levels back to your base values, send me a PM or ask here.
I have an article I wrote on PCT.

Interested in your PCT regime......Thanks Hackskii

 

[hackskii]

PM me and I will send you a link to my article I wrote, it will spell everything out very clearly in simple terms.
It was brought to my attention by a doc named Scally that treated over a thousand guys for anabolic induced steroid hypogonadism (AISH).
I am just a bit reluctant to post the article here due to not wanting to be flammed.
It is solid, I use it myself......PM me.

 

[mrcat]

No results yet, but based on the nearly 400 dollar lab charge for only the test, I'd say it was a bit abnormal. The pulled the same shit with a creatinine level that was way high, due to sup, last time, they did negociate a better price in the end.

On a good note, all my other values look great!!