I look "fat" on tren

[phoenix2]

Tried every ester, different brands and every time the result is the same.
Same diet, same dosage of (low) test, same dosage of AI, whenever i add tren into the mix, in a matter of a week i get soft and watery look. I feel "heavy" in general. I get painful shin and back pumps when i run.
My nipples get also sensitive and puffy and my belly distended and bloated.
Other than that, i don't get too much sides, a part some acid reflux here and there and a little bit of edgyness.
I have to say that i never abused tren (max 250 mg weekly for 6-8 weeks).
It gives me a lot of streght and mass gains, i gain weight even on low calories/carbs.
But i look like shit.

I've tried increasing AI, cabergoline, pramipexole, adding T3 and T4 (everything pharma grade), lowering sodium and increasing water, but nothing works. BP stays good.
I see the results of tren when i drop it.

For me is just a "dirty" bulking compound and i can't understand people who say they can't gain weight and mass on tren.

 

[EFShadow]

….does this tren make me look fat??

 

[bigzzz]

Tren bloats my face

 

[FrancisK]

Everyone is different and your body is always changing, I used to look like a god on tren but the past few years wherever I ran it I just looked sloppy. Definitely big but not good looking.

 

[tenny]

is this just a rant then?

 

[Palifter]

Let’s see some pics.

You might indeed just be fat.

 

[phoenix2]

is this just a rant then?

No. I was wondering if someone else had the same problem and eventually found a solution.

 

[phoenix2]

Let’s see some pics.

You might indeed just be fat.

I'm not shredded but i don't think to bee to much fat.

Before tren:



2 weeks after adding 150 mg weekly of tren hex (no other changes):

 

[Sectør]

Are you sure they didn’t give you NPP instead of tren?

I mean there’s maybe some glycogen retention with tren but it’s never made me look worse or watery where im holding a lot of water sub-q—quite the opposite actually

You’re definitely on the leaner side and not fat though, so maybe some of it is body dismorphia? You have been skipping leg day though

 

[traininsane11]

There’s a video on YouTube Roman fritz talking with vigorous Steve and he says tren gives him really bad fluid retention so he no longer uses it

 

[phoenix2]

Are you sure they didn’t give you NPP instead of tren?

I mean there’s maybe some glycogen retention with tren but it’s never made me look worse or watery where im holding a lot of water sub-q—quite the opposite actually

You’re definitely on the leaner side and not fat though, so maybe some of it is body dismorphia? You have been skipping leg day though

I've tried different brands in the past and results are always the same.
I get watery and soft.
When i drop tren i see the "real" results in terms of lean gains and fat loss.

PS. i love to train legs, but i love running too, maybe it's the reason they don't match the upper body.

 

[Durro NoHurtNoBigShirt]

I've tried different brands in the past and results are always the same.
I get watery and soft.
When i drop tren i see the "real" results in terms of lean gains and fat loss.

There you go, looks like Tren is not for you. Have you checked your estrogen or any blood work before using Tren and checked it while you’re on Tren? And after?

 

[traininsane11]

33:51

Mix of inflammatory response and progesterone activity

 

[Mufasa123]

The sides you get with tren are rare for most individuals and you seem to have a bunch of rare ones for that drug (water retention, back pumps, nipple sensativity etc).

Almost sounds like a different drug but people vary. Most people complain of very different sides with that drug - sweat, heat, endurance, acid reflux, lack of appetite, issues sleeping, and a host of mental shit are the common ones.

If you have tried all esters and multiple providers over time...this is just you and Tren. It's a cost/benefit so you'll need to weigh it in your decision to continue using.

 

[IFBBProDomCardone]

Your tren could be “fake” but…

I have seen water retention with guys on tren. It’s extremely inflammatory..has an effect on histamine. It’s 100% possible

Take it out… not sure what you’re doing goal wise. But if your looking for a cosmetic positive, take winny lol

 

[phoenix2]

33:51

Mix of inflammatory response and progesterone activity

Same things that happen to me, with exception of blood pressure and ankles swelling.

 

[Sectør]

I remember reading the other thread where BBextreme talked about tren and histamine and the supplements used to help counter the histamine response

I didn’t piece it together that histamine response also leads to water retention until dom just mentioned it here. Did more reading into histamine responses and sure enough… he’s correct on the water retention aspect. This is definitely helpful to know (and I learned something new)


Seems some people just may be more sensitive to these kinds of responses

 

[phoenix2]

I remember reading the other thread where BBextreme talked about tren and histamine and the supplements used to help counter the histamine response

I didn’t piece it together that histamine response also leads to water retention until dom just mentioned it here. Did more reading into histamine responses and sure enough… he’s correct on the water retention aspect. This is definitely helpful to know (and I learned something new)


Seems some people just may be more sensitive to these kinds of responses

It's a possibility. Histamine causes vasodilation so fluids cross more easily blood vessels and get under the skin.
But in my case i think it's more related to progestogenic activity, since i get also sensitive and swollen nipples that don't responde to AIs nor cabergoline, and some mineralcorticoid receptors interaction.

 

[Mufasa123]

It's a possibility. Histamine causes vasodilation so fluids cross more easily blood vessels and get under the skin.
But in my case i think it's more related to progestogenic activity, since i get also sensitive and swollen nipples that don't responde to AIs nor cabergoline, and some mineralcorticoid receptors interaction.

Makes some sense. Out of curiosity how do you respond to anadrol (may or may not be relevant but figured I'd ask)?

Some people water right up or have nipple/gyno issues and others have no problems and stay dry.

 

[phoenix2]

Makes some sense. Out of curiosity how do you respond to anadrol (may or may not be relevant but figured I'd ask)?

Some people water right up or have nipple/gyno issues and others have no problems and stay dry.

Never taken it. I'm super sensitive to estrogen/prolactin so i stay away from everything that aromatize and/or has some potential estrogenic activity. High test too.
I've never run test higher than 200-250 mg per week. Lately i'm staying on 150 mg of enanthate, splitted 50 mg mon, wed, fri.
I don't like and don't want to be too big. I'm happy with the size i have, i just want to improve some weak points, separations, density and vascularity.
I love DHTs, masteron, proviron and especially winstrol.
If didn't destroy HDL, i would run winstrol year round. It doesn't bother me on liver or joints and it works very good even at low/moderate dosage.

When i tried tren for the first time, years ago, it was just for curiosity to see if it was the miracle drug many people claimed.
But i got disappointed for the water retention/bloating shit.
So i tought maybe the brand was not good, maybe i have to change ester, maybe i have to increase AI/cabergoline or i have to add T3.
So next tren cycles were experiments with some changes on ancillary drugs, ester and so on.
But every time the same disappointing results.
I have to say, however, that when i drop tren after a cycle, i look better than before tren and for about a month i mantain those "gains".