I look "fat" on tren

[Zamun]

What is the rest of your cycle other than the tren? Seems weird to get puffy on it other than if it’s an immune response.

 

[neutrino]

….does this tren make me look fat??

Fkn made me spit out my drink

 

[Thebiggestdumbass]

But in my case i think it's more related to progestogenic activity, since i get also sensitive and swollen nipples that don't responde to AIs nor cabergoline, and some mineralcorticoid receptors interaction.

You might try more AI.

Every time I add tren on prep I need to triple my adex dosage to keep my nipples from burning. This last go around I was doing 1mg 2 days on 1 day off

 

[Mufasa123]

Never taken it. I'm super sensitive to estrogen/prolactin so i stay away from everything that aromatize and/or has some potential estrogenic activity. High test too.
I've never run test higher than 200-250 mg per week. Lately i'm staying on 150 mg of enanthate, splitted 50 mg mon, wed, fri.
I don't like and don't want to be too big. I'm happy with the size i have, i just want to improve some weak points, separations, density and vascularity.
I love DHTs, masteron, proviron and especially winstrol.
If didn't destroy HDL, i would run winstrol year round. It doesn't bother me on liver or joints and it works very good even at low/moderate dosage.

When i tried tren for the first time, years ago, it was just for curiosity to see if it was the miracle drug many people claimed.
But i got disappointed for the water retention/bloating shit.
So i tought maybe the brand was not good, maybe i have to change ester, maybe i have to increase AI/cabergoline or i have to add T3.
So next tren cycles were experiments with some changes on ancillary drugs, ester and so on.
But every time the same disappointing results.
I have to say, however, that when i drop tren after a cycle, i look better than before tren and for about a month i mantain those "gains".

Makes sense. Tren is super effective but the sides you get don't match your goals unless you are willing to navigate or continue to try and maybe look watery while on it.

I figured if drol made you hold water too, we might be able to narrow mechanism(s). I'd offer to help more but I'm at my "science limit" so not really useful beyond this.

BTW I love winstrol too and don't get the sides some complain about. Great oral. It hits my HDL but even at 350mg weekly that hit is in the range of 600mg of primo so meh (it's actually close to the primo number with that winny and Tren on top of it). Guess which is more effective too? This is why I don't run primo much as I can get it done much faster, better and with similar or very close impact on bloods.

 

[Flocci]

Sounds like it just makes you flat so you look softer and you are making it worse by lowering your estrogen and adding thyroid....

Hows your diet, especially carbohydrate intake, electrolytes and hydration in general?

What other drugs and supplements are you using?


edit: i seem to have been a bit fast in my reply, you look great dude. The other guys are probably right on the inflammatory and progestogenic response oyu seem to have.

 

[phoenix2]

You might try more AI.

Every time I add tren on prep I need to triple my adex dosage to keep my nipples from burning. This last go around I was doing 1mg 2 days on 1 day off

I've tried that route and it works to some extent.
But then i get sides of too low estrogens (libido mainly).
And i wonder why should tren makes me aromatize more at a given dose of test?
I opened a thread about this topic some years ago.

 

[phoenix2]

Makes sense. Tren is super effective but the sides you get don't match your goals unless you are willing to navigate or continue to try and maybe look watery while on it.

I figured if drol made you hold water too, we might be able to narrow mechanism(s). I'd offer to help more but I'm at my "science limit" so not really useful beyond this.

BTW I love winstrol too and don't get the sides some complain about. Great oral. It hits my HDL but even at 350mg weekly that hit is in the range of 600mg of primo so meh (it's actually close to the primo number with that winny and Tren on top of it). Guess which is more effective too? This is why I don't run primo much as I can get it done much faster, better and with similar or very close impact on bloods.

Yes is super effective in building mass and strength. Too bad i look worse on it.
I've thought maybe i could run tren in the first 4-6 weeks of cut, going as low as possible with calories and carbs, then dropping it, increasing test a little, increasing carbs and starting masteron and winny. In the past worked well.

Winny on me is fantastic. And i see results even at 20-30 mg per day.

 

[phoenix2]

Sounds like it just makes you flat so you look softer and you are making it worse by lowering your estrogen and adding thyroid....

Hows your diet, especially carbohydrate intake, electrolytes and hydration in general?

What other drugs and supplements are you using?


edit: i seem to have been a bit fast in my reply, you look great dude. The other guys are probably right on the inflammatory and progestogenic response oyu seem to have.

Yes, the "feeling" is like being flat. It's a strange feeling of dehydration and bloating at the same time.
I've tried dropping carbs, increasing carbs, lowering sodium or increasing it.
I usually drink 6 liters of water per day, 7-8 in the summer.
Luckily i don't get bloating on face.

 

[phoenix2]

Here i was AFTER a tren cycle (4 weeks 30 mg ED of tren ace), on 30 mg of test propionate and 50 of masteron propionate ed, 25 mg of proviron and 40 mg of var ed.




Here instead with 200 test ena, 350 masteron propionate, 40 mg of winny and 25 mg of proviron ed. No tren before.

 

[tenny]

i think you look great, but what are you using "tren" for?
are you bulking?....lean bulking?....are you increasing cals.?
it does make a difference. ive only used it for contest prep.
otherwise i become an actual walking dickhead. not that im not already.
but, could you imagine a tenny on tren??? i know you dont know me.
but most OGs do, and they WILL laugh at this.....

lock up youre wives and daughters!!!!

 

[Flocci]

Yes, the "feeling" is like being flat. It's a strange feeling of dehydration and bloating at the same time.
I've tried dropping carbs, increasing carbs, lowering sodium or increasing it.
I usually drink 6 liters of water per day, 7-8 in the summer.
Luckily i don't get bloating on face.

what about potassium?

do you stay in this shape all the time?

 

[phoenix2]

i think you look great, but what are you using "tren" for?
are you bulking?....lean bulking?....are you increasing cals.?
it does make a difference. ive only used it for contest prep.
otherwise i become an actual walking dickhead. not that im not already.
but, could you imagine a tenny on tren??? i know you dont know me.
but most OGs do, and they WILL laugh at this.....

lock up youre wives and daughters!!!!

My goal is reaching the "look" of an IFBB pro, muscle density, roundness, vascularity and separations but with my actual size, because i like to be athletic overall.
Maybe just a bit utopic , but i'm working on that.
And some strength gains too.

I left my gf last year and i was not on tren

Tren at those dosage doesn't bother me too much behevioural wise.

I get more rage on higher test, especially propionate.

 

[phoenix2]

what about potassium?

do you stay in this shape all the time?

I wish i could maintain that shape year round, but that hardness is mainly given by winstrol and masteron and i can't run them forever.
Bf stays pretty the same year round, but i lose the cosmetic look of DHTs. I cruise on 150 mg of test and 25 mg of proviron.

I never counted potassium, but i eat everyday lots of vegetables and fruits.

 

[Thebiggestdumbass]

I've tried that route and it works to some extent.
But then i get sides of too low estrogens (libido mainly).
And i wonder why should tren makes me aromatize more at a given dose of test?
I opened a thread about this topic some years ago.

From my understanding it’s not that tren makes you aromatize more, it just makes you more sensitive to the estrogen present

 

[pesty4077]

Trenbolone is not estrogenic; hard to believe it leads to excess fluid retention. However, due to trenbolone's potent progestogenic activity (it binds with high affinity to the progesterone receptor), gynecomastia, characterized by development and swelling of breast tissue, may occur.

 

[sir_robin14]

Sounds like it just makes you flat so you look softer and you are making it worse by lowering your estrogen and adding thyroid....

Hows your diet, especially carbohydrate intake, electrolytes and hydration in general?

What other drugs and supplements are you using?


edit: i seem to have been a bit fast in my reply, you look great dude. The other guys are probably right on the inflammatory and progestogenic response oyu seem to have.

Would the thyroid make it worse by making him more flat?

 

[tenny]

well nowadays ANYONE can be a pro....

if some 18yo in a bikini can go on a 3 day california cocaine diet
hop on stage and get a card......then you DO in fact look like a IFBB pro.

i was gonna get mine, but i thought i would wait for gta6 to come out first.
maybe next year.

 

[Flocci]

Would the thyroid make it worse by making him more flat?

thats what i was thinking

 

[PissedPajamas]

Do you get congested on tren, or feel your lymph nodes swell? Depending on your genetics, tren can increase mast cell activation which increases histamine, or you might have an immune reaction to glucocorticoid activation which increases cytokines. All of these lead to some degree of water retention. If you get tren cough, you might have a high histamine reaction from tren.

 

[phoenix2]

Do you get congested on tren, or feel your lymph nodes swell? Depending on your genetics, tren can increase mast cell activation which increases histamine, or you might have an immune reaction to glucocorticoid activation which increases cytokines. All of these lead to some degree of water retention. If you get tren cough, you might have a high histamine reaction from tren.

No swollen lymph nodes that i'm aware of.
I've tried to increase AI dosage in the last days and it's working well. I also feel better overall, less lethargic and no more sensitive nipples.
Ok, i am very prone and sensitive to estrogenic sides, but f**k, i'm running just 150 mg of test ena per week and with little tren (130 mg weekly of hex) i have to deal all that much estrogen conversion.