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I lost my legs from Creatine (article)

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What kind of horseshit is this?
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Msnbc.com
by Mike Archbold, Journal Reporter

The King County Journal

A deep blue and red scar carves the skin on the outside of both of Travis Starkovich's legs, from his hips to his ankles.

Orthopedic surgeons' scalpels have sliced them open again and again over the past five months to save his life and legs.

The 22-year-old would-be bodybuilder has endured 15 operations on his legs in the past five months. There could be three or four more to come. He can stand and walk although he tires easily. Falling over can be a sudden and painful mishap.

The good news is that he didn't lose his legs, but he knows he will never have full use of them again. His kidneys and liver also failed, but now are on the mend.

What happened to Starkovich last fall might have overwhelmed a less strong-willed young man.

He has endured because he is stubborn, he said, and now wants to bring a message to anyone who will listen, particularly young athletes and their parents about the dangers of creatine, a popular over-the-counter muscle-building supplement.

"I hope to tell my story as much as possible,'' he said last week sitting in the living room of his mother's home in Selleck, a small community east of Covington. "If I save one life, I've done my job.''

Training aimed at show

Last summer, the Muckleshoot Casino security guard began seriously training as a bodybuilder. The Washington State Figure Fitness and Bodybuilding Championships were scheduled for Oct. 23 in Auburn and he aimed his training at the show.

At the Auburn and Kent fitness centers where he trained, other bodybuilders took creatine and other supplements as well as steroids to obtain the finely sculpted bodies they sought. Everyone did it, he said. He got a personal trainer to help advise him on nutrition and supplements.

Starkovich said he never took steroids and no one ever recommended he take creatine. But he remembered from high school when he took the creatine for a month, how much it helped develop his muscles and increase his performance at cross country running.

Each morning and evening for three and half months leading up to the bodybuilding competition he took the recommended dose of 5 grams. A month's supply cost him about $50.

He took other supplements like the other bodybuilders: glutamine, a thermogenic and a high protein shake.

He trained hard: two hours each morning and then again in the evening. The regimen was working. At one point, the 5-foot 9-inch Starkovich weighed 215 pounds with 2 percent body fat. His biceps had grown by nearly three inches. When he flexed, the striations in his muscles where visible. He also was dieting hard to bring his weight down and further sculpt his body.

Legs started cramping

Then about a week before the competition, his urine suddenly turned very dark and his legs started cramping. He thought his electrolytes were screwed up. The urine cleared up.

Then three days before the competition, his urine again turned black. He felt weak and tired. The cramping became worse. He went to Highline Community Hospital in Burien on a Thursday to find out what was wrong. No one knew, but they told him his creatine level was at 3,500; the normal level in a human body is 50 to 100. He came back for blood work the next day. His creatine level hit 9,000.

"It scared the hell out of me,'' he said. "The cramping was like someone on each side of me hitting my legs with a sledge hammer.''

On Saturday, he went by ambulance to Harborview Medical Center. He was in a fight for his life. He would stay at Harborview for five and a half weeks.

By then his legs were so cramped up, he was put on morphine. They began to swell. His heartbeat climbed to 120 and stayed there for a week. His kidney and liver began shutting down.

"I don't remember much the first two weeks,'' he said.

The only way to find out what was wrong with his legs was to look inside. What they found, he said, was decaying muscle.

"After the fourth day they wanted to amputate both legs at the hip,'' he said. "They were afraid the decay would spread to my lower intestines.''

Cutting out dead muscle

The surgeons began cutting out the dead muscle out of his legs. In its place, new bones began to grow. That, too, had to be cut out, he said.

Even now a second femur bone lies close to the skin in his upper left leg. Rapping it with his knuckle, it sounds like a piece of hard wood. It has to come out. There are other bone growths, too. One almost poked through his skin before it was removed.

What caused all the problems?

"The doctors (at Harborview) told me it was the creatine,'' he said. "My body wouldn't process it.'' It ended up poisoning him.

The process was quiet and insidious. "It came on so quickly, I had no idea what was going on,'' he said. "If it can happen to me it can happen to anyone.''

That's why he wants to warn people about the dangers of supplements, especially creatine that can be taken like candy without a doctor's guidance.

"Those taking the stuff right now they may be fine but in three years or 10 years, they will have problems,'' he said. ``Most of your teenage guys don't know the physiology of how the body works, how creatine works and protein works in the body.''

Danger to young athletes?

Like many creatine users, he heard about it at the gym. The nutrition stores that sell it issues warnings, he said.

"I know high school athletes are taking it.'' he added.

He said his doctors at Harborview want him to talk to the University of Washington Sports Medicine Clinic about his case and the consequences of his creatine use.

What happened to him may not happen to everyone. But Starkovich is convinced that creatine use will lead to physical problems later on.

In a Journal report last summer on teenage athletes and use of supplements, most Eastside coaches said they don't endorse players' use of creatine.

One athlete said he and his teammates don't take creatine simply because there are too many things they don't know about its side effects.

There are no long-term studies on creatine but there have been complaints about dehydration, cramping and nausea as well as kidney problems.

Starkovich's case is rare but no one disputes the possibility of damage to the body from the use of creatine and other supplements.

He can stand and walk now though he tires easily. He can't fully bend his legs. New bone growth has locked his knees. He still doesn't know yet how much use of his leg he will have in the future.

Praise for Haborview staff

He praised the Harborview physicians and staff who never gave up on him. His employer has also been supportive, extending his health insurance to cover the cost of his medical care that already is near $500,000. He also thanks God and the prayers offered up by fellow Mormons for his ongoing recovery.

His plan once his operations are over is to begin a nursing course at Green River Community College this fall, even if he has to do it in a wheelchair.

And he will continue to speak out about creatine to whomever will listen.

Starkovich's struggle is far from over but he said it is getting better. "You have good days and bad days,'' he said.
 
BTW...here is the actual link:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4651961/

Doesn't the editor pre-read this shit. Let's look at this statement from the article:

"Even now a second femur bone lies close to the skin in his upper left leg."

If this is true we have found a miracle cure for osteoporosis and other bone softening and bone loss conditions. I've always read that creatine may have a benefit for the bones but growing a second femur in a few months time...that's Star Trek stuff!!!
 
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Same exact thing happened to my quads (only to a degree) last year but not from creatine.
 
real?

this cant be real.. black piss???? i anit never heard of something like this. people take 20xs what he has taken in creatine, not to mention any aas. this is so stupid. why dont the editors screen this type of b.s.
 
infection in both quads. The first was on may 9 2003. I had been using my legs A Lot for injects. I had just done a show so I was using all short esters. Well that day I got a bran spankin new bottle of qv test enanthate. I hit 2cc's in the left outer upper quad area (like always) and went to the gym to train legs. Went home everything was fine, went to bed and at 3 in the morning woke up in emense pain, my left quad was swollen 3 times its normal size. I should have measured because then I could say I had 35 inch quads and not be lying. lol..I took some pain stuff and waited it out. Later on that day it got worse and turned red as hell. I remember this very well because it was the last day of the semester last year. I drove home with a pretty bad fever and my dad gave me some antibiotics and I went to sleep. Well it took about 2 days for it to get back to normal (I remember this part the most, because it horrified me) I was sitting back at my computer desk (back at school where I stayed for the summer) and I went to stretch my left quad out. Well I noticed there was a part of my leg missing. I could not figure it out for the life of me what the hell it was. I talked with a few docs and they said it was probaly nerve damage from all the compression the swelling did. So there was still hope that the nerves would come back so I kept training. Well it was not nerve damage (as far as I know) I have come to my own conclusion that the infection destroyed all the tissue it came in contact with. So it took out most of my sweep. I have pictures I will try and find one.

Anyway I had planned to do teen nats that year but was going to back out because of my fucked up leg. I mean I lost 2 inches in the span of 2 days. But I was prepping with Brian Hoydic and he really wanted me to do the show, he had seen me at my first show early that year and came up and offered to prep me for free. I can only assume that he was trying to get a good rep and I would have been a easy person to use, so he could say hey, I prepped that kid or whatever, even though he hurt me more than he helped me, dude is lazy, but still a very nice guy. So he convinced me to do the show, he had no idea how bad my leg (soon to be legs) were. Well like I said I was getting ready for the show. I started on my diet 28 days out. I again was using my quads, just the right one, I had some good clean zambons and thought nothing of it. Well I hit it in the same area as the left and it happened. But not nearly as bad as the left. The infection was just a long red strip down the outside of my leg. And yes after it subsided the tissue was gone with it. But very small long area. Probably 3 inches long 1 inch wide, but right on the outside of my precious sweep.lol...

So anyway I never gave up as I though it was nerve damage (or at least that is what I told myself to get threw it) and almost one year later the legs are finally starting to show back up. You can not even Begin to imagine how many hours I had to spend in the reflection trying to see which way would contract my quads the best, because it threw my legs out of there original grove. The past year has also been a thrashing on my knees, epically my petilla (sp) because with my legs out of track my joints had to pick of all the extra weight that my muscle would have been carrying.
 
These are just 2 pics of my legs. You can tell a bit in these two. I will try and find more. Anyone who has seen lots of competition pics should know that my legs were not genetically shaped like this. I was told I had one if not the best upper body (shape and size) in the country (for the teen group) and believe me I train everything just as hard.
 

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Crimson Ghost said:
What kind of horseshit is this?
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Msnbc.com
by Mike Archbold, Journal Reporter

The King County Journal

A deep blue and red scar carves the skin on the outside of both of Travis Starkovich's legs, from his hips to his ankles.

Orthopedic surgeons' scalpels have sliced them open again and again over the past five months to save his life and legs.

The 22-year-old would-be bodybuilder has endured 15 operations on his legs in the past five months. There could be three or four more to come. He can stand and walk although he tires easily. Falling over can be a sudden and painful mishap.

The good news is that he didn't lose his legs, but he knows he will never have full use of them again. His kidneys and liver also failed, but now are on the mend.

What happened to Starkovich last fall might have overwhelmed a less strong-willed young man.

He has endured because he is stubborn, he said, and now wants to bring a message to anyone who will listen, particularly young athletes and their parents about the dangers of creatine, a popular over-the-counter muscle-building supplement.

"I hope to tell my story as much as possible,'' he said last week sitting in the living room of his mother's home in Selleck, a small community east of Covington. "If I save one life, I've done my job.''

Training aimed at show

Last summer, the Muckleshoot Casino security guard began seriously training as a bodybuilder. The Washington State Figure Fitness and Bodybuilding Championships were scheduled for Oct. 23 in Auburn and he aimed his training at the show.

At the Auburn and Kent fitness centers where he trained, other bodybuilders took creatine and other supplements as well as steroids to obtain the finely sculpted bodies they sought. Everyone did it, he said. He got a personal trainer to help advise him on nutrition and supplements.

Starkovich said he never took steroids and no one ever recommended he take creatine. But he remembered from high school when he took the creatine for a month, how much it helped develop his muscles and increase his performance at cross country running.

Each morning and evening for three and half months leading up to the bodybuilding competition he took the recommended dose of 5 grams. A month's supply cost him about $50.

He took other supplements like the other bodybuilders: glutamine, a thermogenic and a high protein shake.

He trained hard: two hours each morning and then again in the evening. The regimen was working. At one point, the 5-foot 9-inch Starkovich weighed 215 pounds with 2 percent body fat. His biceps had grown by nearly three inches. When he flexed, the striations in his muscles where visible. He also was dieting hard to bring his weight down and further sculpt his body.

Legs started cramping

Then about a week before the competition, his urine suddenly turned very dark and his legs started cramping. He thought his electrolytes were screwed up. The urine cleared up.

Then three days before the competition, his urine again turned black. He felt weak and tired. The cramping became worse. He went to Highline Community Hospital in Burien on a Thursday to find out what was wrong. No one knew, but they told him his creatine level was at 3,500; the normal level in a human body is 50 to 100. He came back for blood work the next day. His creatine level hit 9,000.

"It scared the hell out of me,'' he said. "The cramping was like someone on each side of me hitting my legs with a sledge hammer.''

On Saturday, he went by ambulance to Harborview Medical Center. He was in a fight for his life. He would stay at Harborview for five and a half weeks.

By then his legs were so cramped up, he was put on morphine. They began to swell. His heartbeat climbed to 120 and stayed there for a week. His kidney and liver began shutting down.

"I don't remember much the first two weeks,'' he said.

The only way to find out what was wrong with his legs was to look inside. What they found, he said, was decaying muscle.

"After the fourth day they wanted to amputate both legs at the hip,'' he said. "They were afraid the decay would spread to my lower intestines.''

Cutting out dead muscle

The surgeons began cutting out the dead muscle out of his legs. In its place, new bones began to grow. That, too, had to be cut out, he said.

Even now a second femur bone lies close to the skin in his upper left leg. Rapping it with his knuckle, it sounds like a piece of hard wood. It has to come out. There are other bone growths, too. One almost poked through his skin before it was removed.

What caused all the problems?

"The doctors (at Harborview) told me it was the creatine,'' he said. "My body wouldn't process it.'' It ended up poisoning him.

The process was quiet and insidious. "It came on so quickly, I had no idea what was going on,'' he said. "If it can happen to me it can happen to anyone.''

That's why he wants to warn people about the dangers of supplements, especially creatine that can be taken like candy without a doctor's guidance.

"Those taking the stuff right now they may be fine but in three years or 10 years, they will have problems,'' he said. ``Most of your teenage guys don't know the physiology of how the body works, how creatine works and protein works in the body.''

Danger to young athletes?

Like many creatine users, he heard about it at the gym. The nutrition stores that sell it issues warnings, he said.

"I know high school athletes are taking it.'' he added.

He said his doctors at Harborview want him to talk to the University of Washington Sports Medicine Clinic about his case and the consequences of his creatine use.

What happened to him may not happen to everyone. But Starkovich is convinced that creatine use will lead to physical problems later on.

In a Journal report last summer on teenage athletes and use of supplements, most Eastside coaches said they don't endorse players' use of creatine.

One athlete said he and his teammates don't take creatine simply because there are too many things they don't know about its side effects.

There are no long-term studies on creatine but there have been complaints about dehydration, cramping and nausea as well as kidney problems.

Starkovich's case is rare but no one disputes the possibility of damage to the body from the use of creatine and other supplements.

He can stand and walk now though he tires easily. He can't fully bend his legs. New bone growth has locked his knees. He still doesn't know yet how much use of his leg he will have in the future.

Praise for Haborview staff

He praised the Harborview physicians and staff who never gave up on him. His employer has also been supportive, extending his health insurance to cover the cost of his medical care that already is near $500,000. He also thanks God and the prayers offered up by fellow Mormons for his ongoing recovery.

His plan once his operations are over is to begin a nursing course at Green River Community College this fall, even if he has to do it in a wheelchair.

And he will continue to speak out about creatine to whomever will listen.

Starkovich's struggle is far from over but he said it is getting better. "You have good days and bad days,'' he said.


Sounds like just another incompetent bullshit article based on no scientific fact whatsoever. Why don't these political assfucks stick to shit that actually has some scientific basis for being dangerous like cigarettes? Oh, wait, doen't the government make money from those; guess its ok then.
 
weight77

That just looks freaky dude! It is like the pic is doctored or something.
Good luck in your future BB.
I am acquainted with Brian H. He is a nice guy, but doesn't show much of a personallity. lol.
 
shit

I quote "5-foot 9-inch Starkovich weighed 215 pounds with 2 percent body fat" - and he used nothing but creatine and dieting.... and nothing at all else would have affected his kidneys, liver, circulation.... hmmm.... IronMike
 
Ironmike beat me to it, I Mean 215 with 2 percent bodyfat at 5'9 is not possible, that article almost made me piss myself on vomit at the atrocity of it
 
well you forget that the article said something about him being a cross country runner previously...you don't find too many bbing looking people running cross country, and all of a sudden he's 215 at *cough* *cough* 2% bf while only using creatine and strict diet. Now I'm not saying this couldn't happen from creatine, but it doesn't sound like all the facts are there. Also, you need to look at this from a different perspective. People react differently to different things. People have severe allergies to shell fish....but last time I checked crustaceans were not on the banned subtances list. Pretty soon we'll all live in government issued protective bubbles and only allowed to eat sprouts.
 
What a terrible thing to go through for that guy!
Makes me feel alittle better about my rescent shit with the appendix rupture.
I have a hard time believing it was creatine though. It must have been abscesses in there from bad gear. Alot of people get abscsees these days and they can really fuck things up if the puss spreads. I had one removed from my tri and it was amazing how fast I lost all the muscle there. Like 3 inches in a week or so.
Alot of guys say they take creatine to the doc cause they won´t confess to breaking the law. You don´t get to 2%bf without some extra help. I hope the guy rocover with gods speed no matter what the reason was!
 
Urban Legends are great!

If we didn't have B.S. like this to read every once in awhile we would become so bored we'd have nothing to complain about. Someone will have to make a movie or a mini-series about it. You know, the mysterious hitch-hiker that disappears or the guy that wakes up in his bathtub surrounded by ice and missing his kidneys; this is the one about the skinny kid who took creatine for a few months, became a monster, and then almost lost his legs.
I'm going to start one about a guy who only used milk protein and grew udders.

-B
 
guy shot rotten gear

then blamed it on creatine - if he even exists. Did Jason Blair write that?
 
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Upper left leg both legs right about were you would inject. Sounds like he got some bad gear maybe the infection spread from his legs and went effected his kidneys and liver that sound more likely than creatine poisining
 
jawbreakerkid said:
well you forget that the article said something about him being a cross country runner previously...you don't find too many bbing looking people running cross country, and all of a sudden he's 215 at *cough* *cough* 2% bf while only using creatine and strict diet. Now I'm not saying this couldn't happen from creatine, but it doesn't sound like all the facts are there. Also, you need to look at this from a different perspective. People react differently to different things. People have severe allergies to shell fish....but last time I checked crustaceans were not on the banned subtances list. Pretty soon we'll all live in government issued protective bubbles and only allowed to eat sprouts.

Didn't Mike Matarazzo have problems when he got his bodyfat below 2% at a contest and thus, why he hasn't competed in a few years? All the problems that came with having bodyfat that low coupled with the dehydration almost killed him, no?

I'm not sure how true this is since false information has been written about him before. A while back, some idiot posted that he had a heart attack once which scared the daylights out of his mother when she heard. But that's just a testament to the few vicious slanderers online.

Anyway, I'm in agreement that a twinky cross-country runner turned 5'9" 215lbs of muscle at 2% bodyfat NATURAL sounds pretty fishy! The story is about tear-jerking journalistic sensationalism, rather than what's really going on. Most of the story is about the guy's experience. The article never mentions exactly why his creatinine levels spiked from 3,500 to 9,000 in just one day. There's alot more there that's not in the article about his specific kidney/liver problem.
 
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First of all, the dude's kidneys had to already be going in to kidney failure. That is why his kidneys didn't process the creatine. When they say his creatine level was at 3,500 that isn't the level of creatine he has in his body. His creatine level how they measure your kidney function. It is pronounced (cree at in). That was his (cree at in) level. Fuck the news bullshit. Sorry, I had to vent in the last sentence. Later, bigwil
 

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