I may have frozen shoulder

[Jake LaMotta]

I had a labrum surgery on April 1. I had been going through PT but my shoulder continued to remain stiff and painful if I tried to use the arm to do things. In addition to that, my range of motion sucks.

Here are my range of motion measurements that were taken by my PT:

Supine-flexion 155 degrees should be 180 degrees
Abduction 125 degrees should be 150 degrees
External rotation 75 degrees should be 90 degrees
Internal rotation 40 degrees should be between 70 degrees and 90 degrees
Extension 35 degrees should be between 45 degrees and 60 degrees

My doc gave me a post op MRI which showed that my labrum was NOT re-torn.

My good friend muscle96ss has been a TREMENDOUS help to me. That man definitely knows his stuff. I'm just curious to see if any of you guys had experience with having frozen shoulder. So I have 2 questions fellas:

1) Based on my range of motion measurements taken by my PT, do you fellas think I may have frozen shoulder? Are my measurements that bad?

2) Also, if I do a belly press (seen here: **broken link removed** ), I feel pain on the outside of my arm. Would having frozen shoulder cause pain when doing the belly press?

Thanks in advance guys.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

I had a labrum surgery on April 1. I had been going through PT but my shoulder continued to remain stiff and painful if I tried to use the arm to do things. In addition to that, my range of motion sucks.

Here are my range of motion measurements that were taken by my PT:

Supine-flexion 155 degrees should be 180 degrees
Abduction 125 degrees should be 150 degrees
External rotation 75 degrees should be 90 degrees
Internal rotation 40 degrees should be between 70 degrees and 90 degrees
Extension 35 degrees should be between 45 degrees and 60 degrees

My doc gave me a post op MRI which showed that my labrum was NOT re-torn.

My good friend muscle96ss has been a TREMENDOUS help to me. That man definitely knows his stuff. I'm just curious to see if any of you guys had experience with having frozen shoulder. So I have 2 questions fellas:

1) Based on my range of motion measurements taken by my PT, do you fellas think I may have frozen shoulder? Are my measurements that bad?

2) Also, if I do a belly press (seen here: **broken link removed** ), I feel pain on the outside of my arm. Would having frozen shoulder cause pain when doing the belly press?

Thanks in advance guys.

Why don't you ask your physical therapist?

 

[ironone1]

Never froze on me. He wanted me to use the over the door pulley the next day after major surgery so it wouldn't lock up on me. Crazy, wasn't easy without alot of oxy and norco's.

 

[Jake LaMotta]

Why don't you ask your physical therapist?

He's about as useless as tits on a bull.

Him and my doctor are unsure. I'm going to see another doctor Thursday.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

He's about as useless as tits on a bull.

Him and my doctor are unsure. I'm going to see another doctor Thursday.

Well if they're unsure, then how could we even possibly come close to giving you any advice on this? We can't even see your shoulder. You need to feel it move, look at x-rays or an MRI. Have you had any of that done?

You really make a lot of posts looking for medical advice that nobody could possibly give on a message board. You've been doing that for a long time. Why?

Also, I am truly sorry to hear about the shoulder. I have a bum cuff on one side and it sucks. I feel your pain, man. But you need to go see an orthopaedist.

 

[ironone1]

Usually they put you on the table to stretch your shoulder. Not very pleasant, I was ready to jump off the table after he ranged me so hard. Stretching and weight training along with heat, ice, and stim. and ultrasound(if they do it, some don't) is how you get your range back. Wall slides are a good exercise to start with and do with weight after awhile.

 

[Jake LaMotta]

Usually they put you on the table to stretch your shoulder. Not very pleasant, I was ready to jump off the table after he ranged me so hard. Stretching and weight training along with heat, ice, and stim. and ultrasound(if they do it, some don't) is how you get your range back. Wall slides are a good exercise to start with and do with weight after awhile.

I've tried all that. My shoulder is so scarred up and hurts so bad that I'm thinking I'm probably gonna have to get the shoulder/arm cleaned out at some point. THAN I can start PT and stretching. Hopefully the new doc Thursday can give me some answers.

 

[Sesshomaru]

Well if they're unsure, then how could we even possibly come close to giving you any advice on this? We can't even see your shoulder. You need to feel it move, look at x-rays or an MRI. Have you had any of that done?

You really make a lot of posts looking for medical advice that nobody could possibly give on a message board. You've been doing that for a long time. Why?

Trust me Ouch, your words are falling on deaf ears.

 

[Jake LaMotta]

Trust me Ouch, your words are falling on deaf ears.

Jeez, that's funny. I thought we were all here to help one another. I must be on the wrong board.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

Jeez, that's funny. I thought we were all here to help one another. I must be on the wrong board.

You should try to see a chiropractor who specialized in something called Active Release (ART). We are trying to help. The technique can break up scar tissue and restore mobility.

We can offer you advice but when we do, you need to take it. Otherwise, aren't we just wasting our (and your) time???

Check out ART and see another ortho. That's THE advice here and nobody can really give you anything more other than to wish you luck and hope you have a good recovery.

Good luck with the shoulder. I'm sure it's nothing that a little time and the right doctor (or chiro) can't fix.

 

[Jake LaMotta]

You should try to see a chiropractor who specialized in something called Active Release (ART)...Check out ART and see another ortho.

I appreciate the advice bro. And yes, I have contacted a specialist in my area who performs A.R.T. And I have a meeting with a new ortho tomorrow morning.

 

[Sesshomaru]

Jeez, that's funny. I thought we were all here to help one another. I must be on the wrong board.

You have 247 posts, and almost all of them have been about diagnosing your shoulder or providing a medical opinion that none of us are able to give. In the times that we have told you to go to a Dr. you say you have or will and its just been an issue of you being impatient to actually wait for the damn appointment.

You bump your posts when no one responds and blame the board for not helping, but the reason is that WE CANNOT GIVE YOU A DIAGNOSIS OVER THE INTERNET!

There are several of us that deal with rehab and injuries, but as one of those people, I can tell you that we cannot predict your rehab, we cannot predict your recovery time, we cannot make medical recommendations on your surgery, etc.

You can throw numbers out all day, but look at how many tests require hands on 'feeling' of the tissue when examining a frozen shoulder:

**broken link removed**

No one here can touch which is why when you ask very specific questions, its best to just go to an orthopedist instead of asking the board.

 

[ironone1]

I appreciate the advice bro. And yes, I have contacted a specialist in my area who performs A.R.T. And I have a meeting with a new ortho tomorrow morning.

Sounds like you need surgery. They took part of my collar bone out also to give me more range. The pt won't help if it requires surgery.

 

[Jake LaMotta]

I'm getting an arthroscopic capsular release

I'm getting an arthroscopic capsular release
I went to the orthopaedic doctor. He diagnosed me as having partial adhesive capsulitis due to having 2 labrum surgeries in the last 6 months. In a couple weeks he will be doing an arthroscopic capsular release on me. And than I will be doing an intensive stretching program with my physical therapist and at home. Once I have full ROM I will than start rotator cuff strengthening.

Anyone ever have an arthroscopic capsular release?

Here are my range of motion measurements again that were taken by my PT:

Supine-flexion 155 degrees should be 180 degrees
Abduction 125 degrees should be 150 degrees
External rotation 75 degrees should be 90 degrees
Internal rotation 40 degrees should be between 70 degrees and 90 degrees
Extension 35 degrees should be between 45 degrees and 60 degrees

 

[ironone1]

I'm getting an arthroscopic capsular release
I went to the orthopaedic doctor. He diagnosed me as having partial adhesive capsulitis due to having 2 labrum surgeries in the last 6 months. In a couple weeks he will be doing an arthroscopic capsular release on me. And than I will be doing an intensive stretching program with my physical therapist and at home. Once I have full ROM I will than start rotator cuff strengthening.

Anyone ever have an arthroscopic capsular release?

Here are my range of motion measurements again that were taken by my PT:

Supine-flexion 155 degrees should be 180 degrees
Abduction 125 degrees should be 150 degrees
External rotation 75 degrees should be 90 degrees
Internal rotation 40 degrees should be between 70 degrees and 90 degrees
Extension 35 degrees should be between 45 degrees and 60 degrees

I had artho on my one shoulder, full repair on the other one. I thoght the artho procedure was just a clean out, he didn't tell me the medical term for it. It might have been a capsular release .

 

[Jake LaMotta]

I had artho on my one shoulder...I thought the artho procedure was just a clean out, he didn't tell me the medical term for it. It might have been a capsular release .

How was your recovery after the "clean out" procedure? Did it take alot of your pain away? Did it improve your range of motion? What was the physical therapy like after?

 

[ironone1]

How was your recovery after the "clean out" procedure? Did it take alot of your pain away? Did it improve your range of motion? What was the physical therapy like after?

Yeah it helped alot. Both of my shoulders are 100% now. I hear some peole don't have as good of results after surgery. My doc is awesome though so that may have been the difference.

The surgery helped the range and alleviate all pain. The therapy wasn't bad. I started it soon after, within a few weeks after the surgery. He had me use the exercise pulley right away after surgery and some stretching exercises.

I was on a cycle I believe for the pt so that also helped speed the recovery time. The therapy was heat, elect stim., ultrasound, and a massage to start. Then I would do my weight training, warming up with the arm bike first. I was also on painkillers for awhile which helped out on the therapy. I was probably lifting heavy again about 6 months after the surgery. Certain exercise I avoided so I wouldn't reinjure it:

1. incline bench
2. decline bench
3. military presses

I would do external and internal cable exercises, weighted wall slides, lateral raises and corner stretches. You should be back to normal soon if you train right, ice, heat and anti-inflammatories meds are used-good luck.

 

[Jake LaMotta]

Let me ask you this iron1, before your surgery did you have pain with...pretty much ALL shoulder movements (like I do)? Before the surgery did even the LITTLEST arm movements cause pain? How long after the surgery did you feel an improvement in pain? And how much did your pain improve?

 

[ironone1]

Let me ask you this iron1, before your surgery did you have pain with...pretty much ALL shoulder movements (like I do)? Before the surgery did even the LITTLEST arm movements cause pain? How long after the surgery did you feel an improvement in pain? And how much did your pain improve?

The first surgery where my raoator cuff was fully torn caused me alot of pain. The second one where they did arthoscopic wasn't as bad. The pain was probably moderate. Its been years so I can't remember exactly. He had me on Norcos so I didn't have alot of pain afterwards. He eventually put me on Darvocets to ween me off the hydrocodone. I was on deca and test afterwards so I was close to being fully recovered probably within 6 months afterwards from the surgery, from what I can remember. I think you'll be ok if your doctor is one of the notable ones like I had and if you do your pt dilligently.

 

[Jake LaMotta]

I had surgery on August 5, 2008

I had surgery on August 5, 2008. My doc suspected before surgery that I had frozen shoulder and a partial supraspinatus tear. He decided that this surgery he would do nothing about the partial supraspinatus tear but would only clean out the adhesions in the shoulder by doing an anterior capsular release. He said once I get my full range of motion back if I still had pain he would do the supraspinatus repair in a few months.

Here is a cliff notes version of my surgery report:

Postoperative diagnosis: Arthrofibrosis right shoulder.

Operation: Right shoulder arthroscopy, lysis of adhesions, anterior capsular release, manipulation under anesthesia.

Procedure: I'll just get to the meat and potatoes of the report:

...The posterior portal was created and the arthroscope was inserted into the glenohumeral joint... Anterior, inferior, and posterior labrum were intact. He is status post repair of a posterior labral tear and this was intact. The subscapularis tendon was intact. The supraspinatus was evaluated and there was a partial thickness tear of the supraspinatus tendon off the medial aspect of the footprint...This was left as-is. The anterior portal was created under direct visualization and a lysis of adhesions was performed using a 3.5 full radius shaver. An anterior capsular release was then performed sparring the subscapularis tendon with a Vulcan chisel. A good anterior capsular release was obtained...The arthroscope was then placed in the subacromial space and the anterolateral portal was created under direct visulaization. A bursectomy was performed. This was done with the OR Tech electrothermal device. There was no anterior acromial spur. The rotator cuff was evaluated from its bursal side and found to be intact...The arthoscope was than removed. The shoulder was than manipulated...

So what do you fellas think? Can anyone explain to me the part I underlined? What kind of partial rotator cuff tear is that?

Anyone who knows my past problems with this shoulder knows I've been to hell and back with this injury.