Ideal testosterone level

[DK0223]

Is that 700 a trough level? Because if it is, then you are higher than 700 ng/dL most of the time. So that's a pretty good protocol.


Ideal testosterone level will resolve symptoms while preventing symptoms like high BP, high hematocrit, limiting high E2, and decreases in HDL.


This level will be different for everyone because we all have genetic differences in testosterone metabolism, androgen receptor sensitivity (linked to CAG repeats), aromatase levels and sensitivity to lipid/hematocrit responses.

700 peak or 3 days post shot is when he wants labs done

So I’m probably bottoming out a week later at what, 300-400 give or take?

 

[Black Beard]

700 peak or 3 days post shot is when he wants labs done

So I’m probably bottoming out a week later at what, 300-400 give or take?

Yes, more or less.



Some guys metabolize very fast and are hypogonadal by day 7, others absorb it more slowly.

I'm a fast metabolizer myself.

 

[Joltan]

On 100mg per week of TRT, my levels are:

3 days post injection (peak) - ~1600

7 days post injection (trough) - ~400



This is when doing one injection per week.

 

[Black Beard]

On 100mg per week of TRT, my levels are:

3 days post injection (peak) - ~1600

7 days post injection (trough) - ~400



This is when doing one injection per week.

Those are pretty erratic levels, but if you feel okay and your bloodwork checks out, then no reason to change it.

Some people can feel the crash towards day 7 and can benefit from splitting their dose to twice a week.

 

[Joltan]

Those are pretty erratic levels, but if you feel okay and your bloodwork checks out, then no reason to change it.

Some people can feel the crash towards day 7 and can benefit from splitting their dose to twice a week.

I've since split it into two doses, but was told by the endocrinologist that there is really no benefit.

 

[Black Beard]

I've since split it into two doses, but was told by the endocrinologist that there is really no benefit.

Yeah, that's because there are genomic and non-genomic effects from hormones.


The genomic effects are the ones that take weeks to month to happen and they don't go away when serum levels are low right away.


Non-Genomic effects are affect by current serum levels. Think caffeine and adenosine receptor antagonism as an example.


This is why even though you can frontload testosterone/AAS to very high levels in the first week, it can still take a few more weeks to start "feeling" it.

 

[buzzbomb138]

Is that 700 a trough level? Because if it is, then you are higher than 700 ng/dL most of the time. So that's a pretty good protocol.


Ideal testosterone level will resolve symptoms while preventing symptoms like high BP, high hematocrit, limiting high E2, and decreases in HDL.


This level will be different for everyone because we all have genetic differences in testosterone metabolism, androgen receptor sensitivity (linked to CAG repeats), aromatase levels and sensitivity to lipid/hematocrit responses.

^this. if dosing only 1x wk, trough levels are what matters. i personally pin subq ed and 150mg/wk keeps me at 700ng/dl. not the highest given the dose, but satisfactory for TRT. as stated earlier, just depends on the person and how they metabolize the test.