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In the hospital for the weekend .....

Hey Chris

Im getting here late, heard through the grapevine about what happened. Man I know you probably feel like everything is changing and you cant stop it. The best thing you can do is to adapt and progress... BBing is a hobby and always should be, myself am slowly changing my priorities to more of my future profession and family. Those things matter more then any show and any trophy. I know many miserable pro BBers, but know many happy gym rats that are just hitting the gym, working and spending time with their family. As I stated this is a hobby, not a profession that will pay... your a good guy, with a lot of good values. You will always be in shape and Im sure when I decide to to close the chapter on competing it will be hard to walk away... but im closer now then I was years ago. If you think about it, what % of people do you know personally or even on the boards will ever see or yet flirt with a pro card? And even if they do... what after that? Its not worth losing the gift you were given known as life. But you know this... Im thankful you are alive to see your family and still be with them. Many people care about you and value you as a person 1st and foremost. Just for a 2nd rationalize what BBing is, and the time, money, the sacrifices you make in order to get (usually a crappy trophy). The one thing I think people can learn from you is A) how precious life is! B) How BBing may be fun, and a great self-competition but the time frame for most is so small to do C) The health stresses that BBing can cause, assist, or even relate to are real! Have fun, but take care of the things that are the most important. And thats what my goals are.... I look to compete this late summer and early fall but it is winding down for me, I just got married and im looking beyond bbing to possibly taking the MCAT's to see if I can get my ass into med school. Success to me is great health, happieness, and putting your family in a successful position. Chris you are a successful BBer and even better of a person. If BBing is no longer an option I know you will always be in shape and training and living a good lifestyle. I know many BBers who have moved onto other ventures in their life and been very successful... you Chris can do that also. Stay positive, and keep chugging. Life has given you a jolt to remind you what is important and what is not....

Goo
 
I have question about this comment that you made.

Justin said he wanted to post about this...so im leaving the floor to him....as he has been reading the thread.
 
Damn im gonna start checking my BP more often. Im only 27 but im sure its been high the past few years. Viagra and Cialis are known to lower BP. Now they have low dose cialis that you take daily. I wonder if thats a good way to lower bp. Its pretty safe with no sides other than heartburn and ragining hardon's so im presuming its much more safe than beta blockers and other drugs that lower bp
 
Damn im gonna start checking my BP more often. Im only 27 but im sure its been high the past few years. Viagra and Cialis are known to lower BP. Now they have low dose cialis that you take daily. I wonder if thats a good way to lower bp. Its pretty safe with no sides other than heartburn and ragining hardon's so im presuming its much more safe than beta blockers and other drugs that lower bp

If you truly have high BP you need to see a doc and get on a script. Insurance will pay for it and youll be much safer having a docs guidance rather than self medicating.
 
But sometimes its near impossible to regulate b/p when on cycle. Even with proper diet and otc supps. So maybe thats when it would be ok to add it.
 
But sometimes its near impossible to regulate b/p when on cycle. Even with proper diet and otc supps. So maybe thats when it would be ok to add it.

Its not just ok, its imperitive.
 
Heart Problems while using steroids due to high BP only? The answer is no.

There are many other factors other than high blood pressure involved when someone develops cardiomyopathy using AAS. IN my case, I had only had a period of maybe 7 months with signifiacntly high bp before I was diagnosed. Mine was averaving about 145/90 or so when I went on my ace inhibitor.

In the medical study I posted, **broken link removed**, none of the 3 patients had blood pressure what would be considered pathologically high. One had a bp of 118/65, the 2nd was 130/90, and the 3rd was 120/70.

There are many effects of AAS on the heart, including metabolism and growth, that we dont know much about yet. The effects are many and are quite complex and because of the lack of research we may never know about everything. If someone has developed cardiomyopathy in the past, it is not safe to assume that as long as they keep their BP low its safe to go back on bodybuilding doses of AAS. The other myriad of effects are still going to go unchecked. You cannot change how the drugs affect the metabolism of cardiac muscle cells. The individual would also have to keep a tight watch over hematocrit/hemoglobin. Frequent trips to the doc's for phlebotomies etc.
 
Justin said he wanted to post about this...so im leaving the floor to him....as he has been reading the thread.

OK, just thought you would want to comment about this since you invented the concept, but that's cool.
 
OK, just thought you would want to comment about this since you invented the concept, but that's cool.

Because i dont feel comfortable talking about Justin's details involving his blood work....Im going to let him tell you his own info....as he said he wanted to post on it.
 
Because i dont feel comfortable talking about Justin's details involving his blood work....Im going to let him tell you his own info....as he said he wanted to post on it.

Not sure what Justin's blood work would have to do with the question I asked, you may want to re-read my question I asked you. Whether it be Justin or anyone else u have worked with, with the system of training that u created. Simply why would your system of training allow a prerson to maintain muscle mass permanently even after they quit training. Simple question directed to you the developer of this amazing system. Like I said you r not obligated to answer but I just wanted us to be on the same page as far as what I am asking.
 
Not sure what Justin's blood work would have to do with the question I asked, you may want to re-read my question I asked you. Whether it be Justin or anyone else u have worked with, with the system of training that u created. Simply why would your system of training allow a prerson to maintain muscle mass permanently even after they quit training. Simple question directed to you the developer of this amazing system. Like I said you r not obligated to answer but I just wanted us to be on the same page as far as what I am asking.

Because obviously the question asker always believes nothing can be done without drugs.....in fact it was you who said quote unquote "nobody can be 250 pounds and muscular without a boatload of drugs".....so obviously I am going to have to use pertinent information to relay my point........he is clean and has been for a long time.....so I will need to talk about some details of Justins testosterone levels and IGF levels as it pertains to his size he is still....

I already know you will accuse him of being "on" if I say it...so lets just cut thru the BS and you can hear it right from the horses mouth instead. He said he wanted to post...so Im going to let him post his thoughts.

I'll add my 2 cents as it pertains to everything in general afterwards but his details are his to relay.
 
Because obviously the question asker always believes nothing can be done without drugs.....in fact it was you who said quote unquote "nobody can be 250 pounds and muscular without a boatload of drugs".....so obviously I am going to have to use pertinent information to relay my point........he is clean and has been for a long time.....so I will need to talk about some details of Justins testosterone levels and IGF levels as it pertains to his size he is still....

I already know you will accuse him of being "on" if I say it...so lets just cut thru the BS and you can hear it right from the horses mouth instead. He said he wanted to post...so Im going to let him post his thoughts.

I'll add my 2 cents as it pertains to everything in general afterwards but his details are his to relay.

Well, the good news is that your quote of me and steroids are irrelevant as far as the claims you are making, so again steroids are a non issue in this case. I'm open minded and all ears so I eagerly await Justins explanation to your claims.
 
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he is clean and has been for a long time.....so I will need to talk about some details of Justins testosterone levels and IGF levels as it pertains to his size he is still....

I'm interested in hearing this for sure. Not sure where this is going but curious if he recovered, or if not why isn't he on HRT etc.

I remembered reading this post by Justin about some issues he was having, why he wasn't training like usual

**broken link removed**
 
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I'm interested in hearing this for sure. Not sure where this is going but curious if he recovered, or if not why isn't he on HRT etc.

I remembered reading this post by Justin about some issues he was having, why he wasn't training like usual

**broken link removed**

Damn, Justin is one HARDCORE dude! I don't know if that will benefit him in the long run but sure does sound like he is a fighter!
 
Damn, Justin is one HARDCORE dude! I don't know if that will benefit him in the long run but sure does sound like he is a fighter!

It should be interesting to hear from him. Hopefully get an honest report on what super supplements he is taking currently and how his health is now.
 
The Rhabdomyolysis diagnosis is confusing to me... That can be a life threatening event.
 
So, maybe his levels have been permanantly elevated? I have always heard doing things such as heavy squats and deads can raise hormone levels... so maybe that is what we will be getting close to...

If you think nature ... and maybe things like use it or lose it in nature.

Like when fish were discovered depe in the caves they had no eyes ... but fossils were found in the cave walls where fish had small eyes then further back in time other fossils deeper in the walls showed normal eyes. Over time the "use it or lose it" law kicked in ... with no light the fish lost their eyes over time...

So, just reverse it, the body may have adapted to a need ... increased hormonal levels through heavy and hard work over a long period of time and now blood levels can sustain a higher level of hormones... or test...

Maybe? :)
 
So, maybe his levels have been permanantly elevated? I have always heard doing things such as heavy squats and deads can raise hormone levels... so maybe that is what we will be getting close to...

If you think nature ... and maybe things like use it or lose it in nature.

Like when fish were discovered depe in the caves they had no eyes ... but fossils were found in the cave walls where fish had small eyes then further back in time other fossils deeper in the walls showed normal eyes. Over time the "use it or lose it" law kicked in ... with no light the fish lost their eyes over time...

So, just reverse it, the body may have adapted to a need ... increased hormonal levels through heavy and hard work over a long period of time and now blood levels can sustain a higher level of hormones... or test...

Maybe? :)

I'm not sure but I doubt that's what Dante was getting at.

Most former "hardcore" bodybuilders are either hypogonadal or on replacement. Dante is a long-time heavy slag iron lifter and on HRT. Maybe Justin is an anomaly but I kind of doubt it.
 
I'm not sure but I doubt that's what Dante was getting at.

Most former "hardcore" bodybuilders are either hypogonadal or on replacement. Dante is a long-time heavy slag iron lifter and on HRT. Maybe Justin is an anomaly but I kind of doubt it.

yepp,,:star-wars
 
Years of heavy training is what I am thinking. Heavy training causes the whole system to adapt, not just the muscles. The bones, joints and internal organ also must adapt. Maybe once this happens the body has a new setpoint for weight and muscle mass.
 

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