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Injectable Vitamins/Aminos

I'm missing part of my intestines from surgery years ago. I have to take b12 shots weekly and get iron infusions every 3 months. I can't name all the test but I'm always deficient in all my vitamins simply because my gut is not efficient at absorbing them.

I understand that, but I am wondering how you came to the conclusion of the dosages you need of the those vitamins and which vitamins you need? I don't know enough about the injectable forms to say I agree or disagree with the dosages? I am just curious where those numbers came from and why you chose those vitamins/supps and not others. I myself have had off and on digestive issues and have a family history of it. So, I often wonder what I am actually absorbing and find this topic interesting.
 
I understand that, but I am wondering how you came to the conclusion of the dosages you need of the those vitamins and which vitamins you need? I don't know enough about the injectable forms to say I agree or disagree with the dosages? I am just curious where those numbers came from and why you chose those vitamins/supps and not others. I myself have had off and on digestive issues and have a family history of it. So, I often wonder what I am actually absorbing and find this topic interesting.

Based on user feedback, I've seen similar dosing protocols for basically the same products. I also figured in how much I wanted to pin each time. 3ml is easy and convenient. Hell 3cc bilaterally pre workout (5x week) wouldnt be terrrible.

Like I said, I'm going to play with the dosing and see what happens. I should have stated this earlier, but what I'm REALLY looking for is for these to replace pre workout drinks or any other stimulants. Those tear me up, as I'm sure they do others as well. I have energy problems due to my vitamin deficiencies. I'm exhausted 24/7 no matter what I do, how much I sleep, how good my diet is etc.
 
Since these have popped up recently (for me at least) I have been reading tons of info, comparing products from different places and all I can say is THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THESE TO MY ATTENTION!

As some of you may know, I have crohns disease and ulcerative colitis. My gut simply does not absorb nutrients as it should (also had surgery to remove ilieum years ago). Most medications and supplements I take are via injection or IV so my body can effeciently use them.


**Below is a list of products I will start using and the dosing protocol I have come up with based on their per ml composition**

Composition (per ml): .5ml daily
ATP (Adenosine triphosphate): 1.0 mg
Vitamin B12 (Cyanocobalamin): 0.5 mg
Sodium Selenite: 1.0 mg
Potassium aspartate: 10.0 mg
Magnesium aspartate: 15.0 mg

Composition (per ml): .5ml daily
Thiamine disulphide nitrate (Vitamin B1) 20mg
Riboflavin (Vitamin B2) 5mg
Nicotinamide (Vitamin B3) 60mg
Pantothenate (Vitamin B5) 20mg
Pyridoxine hydrochloride (Vitamin B6) 20mg
Cyanocobalamin (Vitamin B12) 200mcg
Plus a proprietay Lipotropic formula (methionine, l-carnitine, inositol and choline).

Composition (per ml): 1ml daily
L-Arginine 200 mg

Composition (per ml): 1ml daily
L-Carnitine 200mg


What I expect from these:
1) Improved energy
2) Improved endurance and pump
3) Improved fat loss

If anyone has any comments or alternative dosing protocols they think would work better please feel free to speak up :)


I will be curious to see how you like the ATP. Are the products prescribed by a doctor? Pharma grade?

I love injectable carnitine. It gives a nice sense of well-being and some clean energy.
 
I'm missing part of my intestines from surgery years ago. I have to take b12 shots weekly and get iron infusions every 3 months. I can't name all the test but I'm always deficient in all my vitamins simply because my gut is not efficient at absorbing them.

but your list is only giant doses of b vits.. lol nothing else. thats the point!

a cc of b a month will get most in range, can split it up or od a lil as you just pee it out. no need for IV's n what not.

there are cool things one could do but...
one would either need to be very knowledgable OR go to a real clinic.

there are places that do this shit...:lightbulb:

there is much more to this. your issues is autoimmune/inflammation. you need to treat that on a systemic level.
 
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there is much more to this. your issues is autoimmune/inflammation. you need to treat that on a systemic level.

Those issues are certainly being treated the correct way.

While the blends do contain a lot of B vitamins, what about the addition on the L-carnitine, L-arginine and and the ATP blend? You don't see those having any special impact?
 
Those issues are certainly being treated the correct way.

While the blends do contain a lot of B vitamins, what about the addition on the L-carnitine, L-arginine and and the ATP blend? You don't see those having any special impact?

very little
correct i think is a very bad word. lol
doesnt exist in this case.

if it did you wouldnt be poting this. lol
:cool:

much to learn grasshopper
 
very little
correct i think is a very bad word. lol
doesnt exist in this case.

if it did you wouldnt be poting this. lol
:cool:

much to learn grasshopper

You're not understanding what I mean. It's ok. We can move on lol
 
You're not understanding what I mean. It's ok. We can move on lol

bro i understand what you are saying

my point is you do not know much about what you are talking about. i dont mean that in a bad way, just pretty clear by what you are saying here.

IF you were beign treated "correctly" you would not be on some bb forum looking to make some magic solution to solve your energy issues or whatever.

you wanted to know about this mix.

the mix is not that special/crazy/useful

i have spent idk 17 years or so on autoimune disorders.
there is a LOT you can do.
none is listed under the definition of "correct" medical treatment. lol

its all gues work and experimental bs, as "correct" medical treatment doesnt seem to really solve the porblems.

if it did, you and others wouldnt be looking for answers. life would just be good. lol

good luck, lol
:welcome:
 
bro i understand what you are saying

my point is you do not know much about what you are talking about. i dont mean that in a bad way, just pretty clear by what you are saying here.

IF you were beign treated "correctly" you would not be on some bb forum looking to make some magic solution to solve your energy issues or whatever.

you wanted to know about this mix.

the mix is not that special/crazy/useful

i have spent idk 17 years or so on autoimune disorders.
there is a LOT you can do.
none is listed under the definition of "correct" medical treatment. lol

its all gues work and experimental bs, as "correct" medical treatment doesnt seem to really solve the porblems.

if it did, you and others wouldnt be looking for answers. life would just be good. lol

good luck, lol
:welcome:

I'm will be taking entivio and methotrexate to control my cronhs and uc. Im currently only on prednisone while I'm waiting for those drugs.

Once my active crohns and UC is undercontrol then energy will no longer be THAT much of an issue.

I decided on the above listed because it has the B vitamins I'm deficient in, as well as other compounds that I see helping with fat loss, endurance and pumps.

Just trying to be as clear as I can. I'm not expecting a miracle or for ANY of the above listed to actually help with my crohn's/UC.

I very much appreciate the back and forth, it only helps me.
 
I'm will be taking entivio and methotrexate to control my cronhs and uc. Im currently only on prednisone while I'm waiting for those drugs.

Once my active crohns and UC is undercontrol then energy will no longer be THAT much of an issue.

I decided on the above listed because it has the B vitamins I'm deficient in, as well as other compounds that I see helping with fat loss, endurance and pumps.

Just trying to be as clear as I can. I'm not expecting a miracle or for ANY of the above listed to actually help with my crohn's/UC.

I very much appreciate the back and forth, it only helps me.

bro, the drugs you are about to take are very strong and very bad news.

do your thing as you see fit or whatever but i would avoid things like that as if they are the plague ( just me mind you ) they are going to make things worse in the long run.

also they have a fuck load of side effects i would not suggest playing with anything wile taking them...

knew a guy taking methotrex for psoriassis, dude too a fish oil cap and had to rush to the er. all types of wierd things happen on these meds.

docs dont have to take them, you do, thus you will forever be going to mr doc, he will be happy n you probably not so much. lol

100% what you call propper i call poisen.

if your GOALS have anything to do with health/activity or living lets call it an amped up life style these drugs will most likely take you further from where you want to be.

just my experience

good luck
 
bro, the drugs you are about to take are very strong and very bad news.

do your thing as you see fit or whatever but i would avoid things like that as if they are the plague ( just me mind you ) they are going to make things worse in the long run.

also they have a fuck load of side effects i would not suggest playing with anything wile taking them...

knew a guy taking methotrex for psoriassis, dude too a fish oil cap and had to rush to the er. all types of wierd things happen on these meds.

docs dont have to take them, you do, thus you will forever be going to mr doc, he will be happy n you probably not so much. lol

100% what you call propper i call poisen.

if your GOALS have anything to do with health/activity or living lets call it an amped up life style these drugs will most likely take you further from where you want to be.

just my experience

good luck

I definitely didn't like the thought of methotrexate, but doc said at this point and after all the meds I've taken before (remicade, humira, cimzia, 6mp, etc) that we need to make sure to knock it out with a combo of drugs this time.

I will be monitored the whole time, and luckily the methrotrexate will not be what I consider long term.....only along the lines of 6-12 months.

I'll just be happy to get off the prednisone I'm on now (in the process of ramping down). I feel great right now so I just hope I can feel this way off the prednisone and with the new meds.
 
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I definitely didn't like the thought of methotrexate, but doc said at this point and after all the meds I've taken before (remicade, humira, cimzia, 6mp, etc) that we need to make sure to knock it out with a combo of drugs this time.

I will be monitored the whole time, and luckily the methrotrexate will not be what I consider long term.....only along the lines of 6-12 months.

I'll just be happy to get off the prednisone I'm on now (in the process of ramping down). I feel great right now so I just hope I can feel this way off the prednisone and with the new meds.

all i can say is good luck bro

there are many ways to skin a cat.

ive done most things one shouldnt do n i would not put any of those drugs in my body, prednisone either.

just for fun, think. lol
those are all serious corticoids n here you are on an aas forum. lol

about as counter productive as one could imagine :lightbulb:
im not so much talking about the drugs as the overall theory but please look at the big picture.

this is why i simply suggest you may wana rethink things.
dont take this as adivce saying not to follow your dr, that is for sure.

just think, n rethink a little.

to me what you are talking about is/are some of the worst options "medicine" provides and certianly not how you "fix" a fucked up immune system.

again, the "medicine" is going to surpress it ( basically )
but why is it over worked/short circuted in the first place?

hint... it is not cus its working "too good" lol

:star-w:rs

AH!

n more to your subject... if you are gona be taking that shit, do not take sups n do not take aas. pay attention to the fish oil thing... that guy was taking them no prob before mt. mt+fish oil horrible reaction, throat closed.
serious side effects, n way too many unknows.
 
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all i can say is good luck bro

there are many ways to skin a cat.

ive done most things one shouldnt do n i would not put any of those drugs in my body, prednisone either.

just for fun, think. lol
those are all serious corticoids n here you are on an aas forum. lol

about as counter productive as one could imagine :lightbulb:
im not so much talking about the drugs as the overall theory but please look at the big picture.

this is why i simply suggest you may wana rethink things.
dont take this as adivce saying not to follow your dr, that is for sure.

just think, n rethink a little.

to me what you are talking about is/are some of the worst options "medicine" provides and certianly not how you "fix" a fucked up immune system.

again, the "medicine" is going to surpress it ( basically )
but why is it over worked/short circuted in the first place?

hint... it is not cus its working "too good" lol

:star-w:rs

AH!

n more to your subject... if you are gona be taking that shit, do not take sups n do not take aas. pay attention to the fish oil thing... that guy was taking them no prob before mt. mt+fish oil horrible reaction, throat closed.
serious side effects, n way too many unknows.

The whole issue and flare began back around a little over a year ago when I lost my insurance. I was doing great, felt great, only taking Cimzia. Lost my insurance and was able to get a few months worth of Cimzia "samples" from my doc. After those ran out I was fucked.

A few months went by and I was perfectly fine because the meds were still in my system, but once they cleared I slowly got worse and worse. Got a new job with great insurance hopped back on the Cimzia, only this time after being on it for 6 weeks I wasnt feeling any better and ended up in the hospital loaded with prednisone.

I haven't started any of the new meds yet besides the predisone, I know how much of a devil drug it is and even my doc agreed with me that we can ramp it down a little faster than he orginally wanted to....I want to be OFF this shit.

As for the methotrexate, I'm going to talk with him about that again, you have me really thinking that its something I want to avoid at all costs. Research tells me that as well. Maybe he will have an alternative.

Thanks LK3
 
do some reading on your own dude.
mt is essentially a chemo drug.

my hint is figure out why what these drugs do is counter to our lifestyle.

that was my personal reassoning for avoiding most of these drugs.

i have had a bunch of friends with uc n chrons i have never seen real good come from the standard aproach.

i have seen them helped very well by non traditional meds/methods.

here again living on prednisone?
for me totally against this life style.

what does that mean?
basically you gona have to do n take so much more performance stuff to just get normal, or less then normal. you will have poor energy and recovery and potentially other stuff. easily sick, sensitive to sun...

you have to live on corticoids?
maybe better to figure out why, then address that part. at least that is my thinking.

you may not find a simple answer to that.

you will probably find youhave to do a lot and it will be real hard work.

essentially systemic innflamation is your issue. proably serotonin has something to do here.

diet is super key
then sups.

my best friend growing up had uc to the point where he was shitting his pants n shitting blood pretty often, the meds made him sic, sports became hard. his mom went like full on after some natty methods n after 6 month to year he was a lot better, to my knowledge after a couple years he never had a flare up again.

25 years ago so no details but mroe food for though.

;)

plenty more.
 
Thanks for all the help LK3. There are a lot of things I need to consider. One thing that I know is that I'll be off the prednisone in about 3 weeks....so its not something long term. The entivio I should be starting some time soon, still waiting to hear when those infusions begin.

Colostomy is also an option. I know of a lot of people that have had success after that surgery and live a completely normal life after the surgery. Sucks for my situation though....single, 30 yr old, you get the picture lol
 
Thanks for all the help LK3. There are a lot of things I need to consider. One thing that I know is that I'll be off the prednisone in about 3 weeks....so its not something long term. The entivio I should be starting some time soon, still waiting to hear when those infusions begin.

Colostomy is also an option. I know of a lot of people that have had success after that surgery and live a completely normal life after the surgery. Sucks for my situation though....single, 30 yr old, you get the picture lol

happy to help dude.

but again, lol if the shit has a name and comes in pill form, lol id just toss it in the trash. lol JUST ME THOUGH! ;)

do yourself a favor, spend like 5-10 hrs doing some real reading on this before you go back to your doc.

these drugs if for anyone are for old ppl waiting to die, not for young single men who wana look good, feel good n fuck like porn stars lol.

that is as simple as i can put it.
 
happy to help dude.

but again, lol if the shit has a name and comes in pill form, lol id just toss it in the trash. lol JUST ME THOUGH! ;)

do yourself a favor, spend like 5-10 hrs doing some real reading on this before you go back to your doc.

these drugs if for anyone are for old ppl waiting to die, not for young single men who wana look good, feel good n fuck like porn stars lol.

that is as simple as i can put it.

I came at him with a slew of questions the other day. He was very thorough with his answers. The methotrexate was new to me at the time so I just went a long with it. Once I got home and started readiing more about it it made me nervous. I picked up the prescription friday and its just been sitting there, haven't touched it yet lol

My doc has it in his mind that at this point we need to attack it agressively out the gate....but I dont think it needs to be handled like that, especially considering less has worked every time before.

We also discussed hgh treatment for gut healing and he was open to talk about it. He was just hesitant because FDA regulation and hard it would be to get insurance to cover it. Probably just more work than he wanted to do...
 
the thing is you have two entirely different schools of thought here.

in this case they do not work well together. sometimes they do but not here.

traditional medicine deals with this autoimmune stuff generally through surpression.

i found in my situation this was not ideal.

these are personal decisions and life choices, no one can say whats best for you.

the doc, while may have the best intentions does not have to live your life and does not know about all of your personal details that will eqate to happyness. he is simply treating a disease to the best of his ability.

YOU have to live with that body.

the choice is yours what you do with it.

live and learn is what it comes down to.

like i keep saying in this case, do not take a middle road, if you gona follow the doc, FOLLOW the doc. dont fuck around with sups n lots of unkowns as they can hurt you in this case.

i hope you get it figured out.
 

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