Insulin For Recomposition

[DecaForDessert]

I am fully prepared to get flamed for this thread, but I have spent a while looking into this and reading about it, and I am unsure of why it would not work.

Scenario: An individual is 240 Pounds and 15% bodyfat. Maintenance calories: 3400, P: 240g C: 320g F: 107g (purely an example).

If he deployed the use of insulin (Novalin R 10iu) pre-workout and took 90g of protein and 120g of carbs from other meals used in pre/intra/post nutrition (still maintaining the 3400 total), why would he not effectively recomp?

The theory is that you are taking calories that may have been stored, but now they can be used to store muscle glycogen and synthesized as new muscle protein without altering the calorie count.

This is of course disregarding the addition of things like Leucine, creatine, etc, which further enhance mTor

The traditional usage of insulin is familiar to me. Usually, it is used when a bodybuilder is eating more carbs than his natural insulin secretion can cover, or a high dose of gh is being deployed and intelligently using insulin can prevent the possible onset of insulin resistance. I am just wondering about this use case.

Thank you for your time

 

[luki7788]

Honestly, I don’t get it. We’re in the 21st century, there’s so much knowledge out there — endless info online, especially in bodybuilding — and people still believe the myth that insulin can only be used during bulking or with high-carb diets.

I use insulin with 99% of my clients, in every phase — it does not stop fat loss. If you’re in a calorie deficit, you’ll lose fat. Simple as that.
In fact, insulin can actually help with body recomposition — you just need to know what you’re doing and have real experience.
So using insulin during recomposition or even in fat loss phases is nothing unusual. More people are doing it than not.

I’m just surprised this old myth is still floating around forums.

 

[KingOfSushi]

Yes you will better utilize the carbohydrates in that window.

However it’s not some magic bullet. If you’re currently fat you’re not going to just going to just suddenly getting leaner while putting on new tissue at any appreciable rate.

Justin Harris has indeed discussed this topic many times how insulin when used properly in a diet can indeed theoretically actually keep you leaner, but we are talking about a small fraction of a change that will compound over time. Insulin isn’t a tool you’d just toss in and see a seriously appreciable recomp (losing fat and gaining muscle). It’s a tool used to enhance the effectiveness of whatever phase you are in driven which will still be driven by your diet.

If you’re too fat, just diet. Tossing in insulin with the hopes of a “recomp” will leave you spinning your wheels.

 

[traininsane11]

If he deployed the use of insulin

“Deployed” the buzzword of the 21st century safe user model online coach

 

[KingOfSushi]

“Deployed” the buzzword of the 21st century safe user model online coach

Lol it’s always “deploy” and “leverage”

Abuse drugs? Of course not, at this stage we are simply simply deploying tren while leveraging gh!

 

[DecaForDessert]

Honestly, I don’t get it. We’re in the 21st century, there’s so much knowledge out there — endless info online, especially in bodybuilding — and people still believe the myth that insulin can only be used during bulking or with high-carb diets.

I use insulin with 99% of my clients, in every phase — it does not stop fat loss. If you’re in a calorie deficit, you’ll lose fat. Simple as that.
In fact, insulin can actually help with body recomposition — you just need to know what you’re doing and have real experience.
So using insulin during recomposition or even in fat loss phases is nothing unusual. More people are doing it than not.

I’m just surprised this old myth is still floating around forums.

Yeah, that’s kinda where I saw the “high carb” rule. Insulin seems to be a little more “taboo” in bodybuilding so there isn’t as much open talk about its different use cases. Thank you for clearing it up

 

[DecaForDessert]

Yes you will better utilize the carbohydrates in that window.

However it’s not some magic bullet. If you’re currently fat you’re not going to just going to just suddenly getting leaner while putting on new tissue at any appreciable rate.

Justin Harris has indeed discussed this topic many times how insulin when used properly in a diet can indeed theoretically actually keep you leaner, but we are talking about a small fraction of a change that will compound over time. Insulin isn’t a tool you’d just toss in and see a seriously appreciable recomp (losing fat and gaining muscle). It’s a tool used to enhance the effectiveness of whatever phase you are in driven which will still be driven by your diet.

If you’re too fat, just diet. Tossing in insulin with the hopes of a “recomp” will leave you spinning your wheels.

Appreciate the response. I always saw it being referred to as a “game changer” for growth like it was steroids lvl 2 or something. It’s good to know that it isn’t as magic as I thought it was.

 

[DecaForDessert]

“Deployed” the buzzword of the 21st century safe user model online coach

Sorry haha, that’s the sales in me. Sounded a little more elegant lol

 

[KingOfSushi]

Appreciate the response. I always saw it being referred to as a “game changer” for growth like it was steroids lvl 2 or something. It’s good to know that it isn’t as magic as I thought it was.

I’ll tell you right now no thing alone in this activity is a “game changer”. Look at diabetics using tons of insulin. Look at AIDS patients taking 18iu. Look at your average bro blasting gear looking like a bloated cherry in the gym. There’s no true secret. Consistency of doing the right things over time with everything in conjunction is the only path to true progress we seek.

 

[lynxeffect1]

Honestly, I don’t get it. We’re in the 21st century, there’s so much knowledge out there — endless info online, especially in bodybuilding — and people still believe the myth that insulin can only be used during bulking or with high-carb diets.

I use insulin with 99% of my clients, in every phase — it does not stop fat loss. If you’re in a calorie deficit, you’ll lose fat. Simple as that.
In fact, insulin can actually help with body recomposition — you just need to know what you’re doing and have real experience.
So using insulin during recomposition or even in fat loss phases is nothing unusual. More people are doing it than not.

I’m just surprised this old myth is still floating around forums.

What if a client is not using hgh, would you still use it in all phases

 

[luki7788]

What if a client is not using hgh, would you still use it in all phases

I don't have any client who doesn't use GH lol

 

[3BILLS]

“Deployed” the buzzword of the 21st century safe user model online coach

If slin is deployed right while going to "war" in the gym and checking all the "boxes" with your diet

 

[DecaForDessert]

I’ll tell you right now no thing alone in this activity is a “game changer”. Look at diabetics using tons of insulin. Look at AIDS patients taking 18iu. Look at your average bro blasting gear looking like a bloated cherry in the gym. There’s no true secret. Consistency of doing the right things over time with everything in conjunction is the only path to true progress we seek.

Heard, I knew this was honestly the answer, but couldn't help falling into the hype.

 

[DecaForDessert]

If slin is deployed right while going to "war" in the gym and checking all the "boxes" with your diet

Lmao, yeah all the videos of people saying they are "fighting demons" in the gym always felt silly to me. You're at Planet Fitness, not a Spartan

 

[DecaForDessert]

What if a client is not using hgh, would you still use it in all phases

At the end of the day it is all diet, you are missing out on the 1 + 1 = 3 gh and insulin combination, but you still would receive worthwhile benefits. Another weird myth that seems to circulate is that insulin will make you fat. If your calories do not change, there is no logical way for it to cause fat gain.