Insulin or no Insulin with GH?

[tchoppa]

I'm currently on 120mg of test c trt. My doctor offered to put me on GH. I've been doing some reading on it and see lots of people on here using insulin while on GH. What are the benefits to running insulin with GH vs not using insulin on GH? Also what insulin do you pin with GH?

 

[Massive G]

No not for you. Insulin is a compound for an advanced bodybuilder trying to maximize mass and gains. They are on much higher doses of AAS and GH as well with pretty strict diet.

 

[bigzzz]

I'm currently on 120mg of test c trt. My doctor offered to put me on GH. I've been doing some reading on it and see lots of people on here using insulin while on GH. What are the benefits to running insulin with GH vs not using insulin on GH? Also what insulin do you pin with GH?

When you have to ask those questions without doing any basic searching for yourself you should not use it for sure.

 

[Flocci]

Some use the insulin because higher doses of GH increases their blood sugar too much, some use it to increase performance/fullness and recovery periworkout, some use it to leverage the impact on igf1 binding proteins like igfbp3 and igfbp2 so you get more igf1 output, theoretically atleast

 

[Splitzz]

You don’t need it, Hgh alone is very beneficial by itself

 

[tchoppa]

No not for you. Insulin is a compound for an advanced bodybuilder trying to maximize mass and gains. They are on much higher doses of AAS and GH as well with pretty strict diet.

Some use the insulin because higher doses of GH increases their blood sugar too much, some use it to increase performance/fullness and recovery periworkout, some use it to leverage the impact on igf1 binding proteins like igfbp3 and igfbp2 so you get more igf1 output, theoretically atleast

You don’t need it, Hgh alone is very beneficial by itself

Thank y'all. I appreciate the info.

 

[tchoppa]

When you have to ask those questions without doing any basic searching for yourself you should not use it for sure.

Thank you for your info. Still learning the site and how to navigate. There's a lot of information on here. But when I work 14hr days and have kids sports in the evening and all weekend free time reading up on this stuff isn't always the easiest. I try to spend as much time as I can reading post on here. Seems like alot of the threads I read are for aggressive bodybuilding. I'm just looking to get back into my college football physique with a little gear assistance.

 

[sciroxx-lab]

The notion behind taking insulin with HGH is to counter the hyperglycemic effect of HGH. HGH raises blood sugar levels, and when those levels go up, the body is required to secrete more insulin to cope with it. These constantly higher-than-normal insulin levels may harm insulin sensitivity over time - AKA insulin-resistance.

By assisting the body with exogenous insulin, it may help shuttle more glucose from the blood into the cells, especially muscle cells. Insulin itself is an anabolic hormone, although in human clinical studies it does not appear to increase protein synthesis by itself, but it does have strong anti-catabolic effects.

Generally, and especially in your case, I would stay away from incorporating insulin.

What may be beneficial for many users, especially those on higher dosages of HGH, is adding IGF-1, AKA insulin-like growth factor. IGF-1 may help balance blood sugar levels with fewer risks and better anabolic potential than insulin, and it may also be more beneficial from a metabolic standpoint. Insulin directly promotes fat accumulation along with its other effects.

I highly recommend this read concerning GH and IGF-1, as well as insulin sensitivity:

GH and IGF1 in Growth and Repair

 

[tchoppa]

The notion behind taking insulin with HGH is to counter the hyperglycemic effect of HGH. HGH raises blood sugar levels, and when those levels go up, the body is required to secrete more insulin to cope with it. These constantly higher-than-normal insulin levels may harm insulin sensitivity over time - AKA insulin-resistance.

By assisting the body with exogenous insulin, it may help shuttle more glucose from the blood into the cells, especially muscle cells. Insulin itself is an anabolic hormone, although in human clinical studies it does not appear to increase protein synthesis by itself, but it does have strong anti-catabolic effects.

Generally, and especially in your case, I would stay away from incorporating insulin.

What may be beneficial for many users, especially those on higher dosages of HGH, is adding IGF-1, AKA insulin-like growth factor. IGF-1 may help balance blood sugar levels with fewer risks and better anabolic potential than insulin, and it may also be more beneficial from a metabolic standpoint. Insulin directly promotes fat accumulation along with its other effects.

I highly recommend this read concerning GH and IGF-1, as well as insulin sensitivity:

GH and IGF1 in Growth and Repair

Thank you for the great information. Gave me a good understanding of the benefits of insulin and IGF-1.

 

[sciroxx-lab]

Thank you for the great information. Gave me a good understanding of the benefits of insulin and IGF-1.

Do you have any recent blood test ?

 

[tchoppa]

Do you have any recent blood test ?

My last one was from May when I was getting TRT from clinic. I still have some but did order some from sponsor since I canceled clinic treatment. I need to schedule some labs. What labs would you recommend I order? Since my last labs I've dropped 22lbs from changing diet and working out 2-3 days a week.

 

[sciroxx-lab]

At minimum, I would get IGF-1 with Z-score and fasting glucose before starting GH, so you know your real baseline.

If you want a more complete picture, I would also add HbA1c, fasting insulin, a lipid panel, TSH + Free T4, CMP, and CBC.

The fasting insulin is not mandatory, but it can be useful because your original question was about GH, insulin, and insulin sensitivity. Together with fasting glucose, it can give you a better idea of baseline insulin resistance.

IGF-1 is the key one for GH response, and the Z-score gives context by showing where your IGF-1 sits compared with the normal range for your age and sex.

I would not rely on random serum GH levels to monitor the GH clinical effects but on IGF! as you can see, so for practical monitoring, IGF-1, glucose markers, and overall metabolic health are much more useful.

You may check out here for instance such blood work on Novotrop — our in-house liquid HGH:

https://www.eroids.com/pics/novotrop-100iu-liquid-hgh-igf-1-pull