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Intensifiers and HIIT cardio... do you do them?

I am not saying it isnt accurate. But you said it matches how you feel. I am saying you dont need it to tell you how you feel. I believe some folks rely on it more than how they actually feel. And I think so folks tend to be the science based ones that do the minimal volume, not to failure, eat 1g/lb of protein and weigh less than 200lbs.

I use a GPS because I am terrible with directions and would get lost. The tech helps what I dont know. I dont have that problem with my sleep or energy. I dont need tech to tell me what I already know.

EDIT: Btu whatever works for people. Bodybuilders are so OCD if it gives someone peace of mind matching the data to the feeling and adjusting their plan accordingly then I'm glad the tech is there for them to use.
That's a fair take and distinction. Same re: GPS, lol. I'm shamefully bad with directions.

I thought the same a few years ago, but I've come to appreciate how wildly out of touch people can be with their bodies and minds and, in some cases, only in very specific ways.

E.g. myself - I've been training for 20 years, I'm attuned to most aspects of training, what foods agree with me, how my response to both has changed over time...tons of examples.

Stress has been a different beast, and it's been quite helpful having a couple of reliable metrics when my default is to tell myself I'm fine and don't need to sleep more, wind down from work earlier, etc.

Example of how this might actually play out - If I was coaching someone who was following their plan to a T, and they told me their strength was dipping, their digestion suddenly felt off, and that they were mentally foggy - it'd be useful to look at their HRV and RHR over the last week or two. If those were off relative to baseline, we might end up talking about recent stressors - work, life events, relational stress, etc. - and then it'd be highly likely that conversation would lead to an "oh shit, I have taken on a lot more stress recently" kind of realization. And then we could adjust accordingly.

Could that conversation have taken place without using the metrics as a middle man? Sure - but people are stubborn, and none of us is as good at connecting dots as we'd like to think. So IMO a little extra data helps.

Key phrase, "a little" - not 20 different metrics to mentally masturbate about.
 
@d4ve that is a good way to look at it. An adjunct not stand a lone barometer. Or as you and Luki said about validating data. I can see how it is even more useful to a coach then way you described versus an athlete coaching themselves.

Good points!
Tracking HR really helped me when I was still a runner. After a while you learn the correlation of how you feel and your Heart rate. So I knew exactly when my HR was 148 because that was the threshhold where I had to start breathing through the mouth. And when that threshhold was lower on a certain day, say at 145, I knew I was not well recovered or something was off (hydration etc). The Same goes for Glucose or blood pressure. Objective measurements improve your intuition.
 
I bought my watch and it convinced me to get off tren, I had barely any moments of "rest" even during sleep.
my sleep which i thought was "OK" was actually terrible and mostly "light sleep"
I could see my RHR and stress score drop daily after coming off and then get even lower from introducing more cardio.
I then suspected tirzepetide could be interfering with my sleep, as my "sleep score" would be lower in the days following my weekly injection, then climb up as it my shot day came closer before dipping again post injection
you can be super in tune with your body but these things are gradual and when youre in the thick of it you might not notice.
I was stubborn for years but it was the best $150 i've ever spent.
 
I get your point.i think..im being totally honest and respectful...I do not agree . If we use your athlete example...take a high school kid with good genetics who has potential to be nfl player. Say he came to a football trainer/coach and said "what do I need to do to make it to the nfl." The coach should in my opinion, give this kid a limited number of things to focus on....let's call these "big rocks". Proper nutrition, protein, training either sport specific or to add lbm, injury prevention. I do not believe monitoring his sleep or heart rate variability or glucose would benefit him and I would call them "small rocks." Now down the road when he is tom Brady and all the big rocks have been dialed in for years...and he is 40 trying to get any advantage to keep up with guys half his age? Yes...things like weekly massage, sleep monitor, multiple supplements, treating inflammation...could give him that edge. Thst is just my opinion man.
If you dont control what you're calling small things. You wont become pro unless you're genetically gifted with resilience as well
"Older generations didnt" doesn't apply because food was better. We're living in a different time. So wirh the advancement of society there's more people living longer. Our resources arent tge same. And its showing more amd more. Its harder to keep inflation down. Ect
 
UPDATE: Used the step mill for HIIT pwo twice now... Holy shit. Forget what I said about not getting my heart rate up. I have a side sticker, want to puke and need a good 5 minutes to catch my breath after. And that is a whopping 6 intervals at 15on/45off. I will definitely keep it in twice a week as miserable as it is.
 
UPDATE: Used the step mill for HIIT pwo twice now... Holy shit. Forget what I said about not getting my heart rate up. I have a side sticker, want to puke and need a good 5 minutes to catch my breath after. And that is a whopping 6 intervals at 15on/45off. I will definitely keep it in twice a week as miserable as it is.

I remember those days...Alex azarian had me on that thing when he was my online trainer..steady state cranked up lol. I don’t know what's more miserable stepmill.or burpees. My favorite is probably hill sprints when it's warm...easy on the body but still HIIT. Run up hill, walk down..repeat
 
UPDATE: Used the step mill for HIIT pwo twice now... Holy shit. Forget what I said about not getting my heart rate up. I have a side sticker, want to puke and need a good 5 minutes to catch my breath after. And that is a whopping 6 intervals at 15on/45off. I will definitely keep it in twice a week as miserable as it is.
How do you set up the stairs? I mean, when you increase the speed the machine takes about 15 secs to reach top speed. I suppose you only start the clock when you reach full speed, no?
 
How do you set up the stairs? I mean, when you increase the speed the machine takes about 15 secs to reach top speed. I suppose you only start the clock when you reach full speed, no?
I just keep it consistent and dont sweat that kind of minutae. I click it at 0:55 and go all out until 0:15 and click it again, repeat. Whatever that equates to. That is how I do it on any machine for HIIT.
 
I just keep it consistent and dont sweat that kind of minutae. I click it at 0:55 and go all out until 0:15 and click it again, repeat. Whatever that equates to. That is how I do it on any machine for HIIT.
Gotta try this again. Haven't done it in a while
 
UPDATE: Used the step mill for HIIT pwo twice now... Holy shit. Forget what I said about not getting my heart rate up. I have a side sticker, want to puke and need a good 5 minutes to catch my breath after. And that is a whopping 6 intervals at 15on/45off. I will definitely keep it in twice a week as miserable as it is.
Love to hear it. The stairs are a fun kind of agony.

By the end it feels like you’re breathing underwater
 
Love to hear it. The stairs are a fun kind of agony.

By the end it feels like you’re breathing underwater
Stairs > all
 
I don't have time to listen but if anyone has a long cardio session and believes in these studies...lol


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