Is Anadrol toxicity overblown and a myth?

[SouthernMuscle]

If studies show real LBM gains after long periods on Oxymetholone, why can you not keep some of the gains if you train, eat properly and stay on TRT?

Where study

is tren considered an anabolic?

 

[Undi123]

Where study

Have you even looked at the thread? Will repost for you

 

[Undi123]

Effects of an oral androgen on muscle and metabolism in older, community-dwelling men - PubMed

To determine whether oxymetholone increases lean body mass (LBM) and skeletal muscle strength in older persons, 31 men 65-80 yr of age were randomized to placebo (group 1) or 50 mg (group 2) or 100 mg (group 3) daily for 12 wk. For the three groups, total LBM increased by 0.0 +/- 0.6, 3.3 +/-...

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Oxymetholone promotes weight gain in patients with advanced human immunodeficiency virus (HIV-1) infection - PubMed

The effect of the testosterone derivative oxymetholone alone or in combination with the H1-receptor antagonist ketotifen, which has recently been shown to block tumour necrosis factor alpha (TNF alpha), on weight gain and performance status in human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) patients with...

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Oxymetholone for the treatment of HIV-wasting: a double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled phase III trial in eugonadal men and women - PubMed

Oxymetholone can be considered an effective anabolic steroid in eugonadal male and female patients with AIDS-associated wasting. The bid (100 mg/day) regimen appeared to be equally effective to the tid (150 mg/day) regimen in terms of weight gain, LBM, and BCM and was associated with less liver...

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[Undi123]

Oxymetholone promotes weight gain in patients with advanced human immunodeficiency virus (HIV-1) infection* | British Journal of Nutrition | Cambridge Core

Oxymetholone promotes weight gain in patients with advanced human immunodeficiency virus (HIV-1) infection* - Volume 75 Issue 1

www.cambridge.org

 

[SouthernMuscle]

Effects of an oral androgen on muscle and metabolism in older, community-dwelling men - PubMed

To determine whether oxymetholone increases lean body mass (LBM) and skeletal muscle strength in older persons, 31 men 65-80 yr of age were randomized to placebo (group 1) or 50 mg (group 2) or 100 mg (group 3) daily for 12 wk. For the three groups, total LBM increased by 0.0 +/- 0.6, 3.3 +/-...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Oxymetholone promotes weight gain in patients with advanced human immunodeficiency virus (HIV-1) infection - PubMed

The effect of the testosterone derivative oxymetholone alone or in combination with the H1-receptor antagonist ketotifen, which has recently been shown to block tumour necrosis factor alpha (TNF alpha), on weight gain and performance status in human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) patients with...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Oxymetholone for the treatment of HIV-wasting: a double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled phase III trial in eugonadal men and women - PubMed

Oxymetholone can be considered an effective anabolic steroid in eugonadal male and female patients with AIDS-associated wasting. The bid (100 mg/day) regimen appeared to be equally effective to the tid (150 mg/day) regimen in terms of weight gain, LBM, and BCM and was associated with less liver...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

So do you have AIDS or are you an senior citizen

 

[Undi123]

Pilot Study of Oxymetholone in Conjunction with Testosterone Replacement in HIV+ Men

Description: A pilot study of oxymetholone (an oral anabolic steroid) was conducted on 32 HIV+ men who were prescribed intramuscular injections of tes…

www.sciencedirect.com

 

[jeroendebleser]

If studies show real LBM gains after long periods on Oxymetholone, why can you not keep some of the gains if you train, eat properly and stay on TRT?

Why? Because you're no longer taking Anadrol then. It only works while it is in your system, it doesn't operate in the future.

There is no anabolic steroid with ''keepable'' gains period.

 

[Undi123]

So do you have AIDS or are you an senior citizen

Damn! If Oxy builds muscle on those weak people with a serious disease, why would it not do it for someone who is healthy? What is your point?

 

[Undi123]

Why? Because you're no longer taking Anadrol then. It only works while it is in your system, it doesn't operate in the future.

There is no anabolic steroid with ''keepable'' gains period.

Gains beyond what threshold? You can definitely keep gains at your max on TRT. Not a bodybuilder type of gains, but still being bigger then most

 

[SouthernMuscle]

Damn! If Oxy builds muscle on those weak people with a serious disease, why would it not do it for someone who is healthy? What is your point?

My POINT, is that this thread, your “testosterone is weak” thread and your questions therein are fucking retarded

 

[jeroendebleser]

Damn! If Oxy builds muscle on those weak people with a serious disease, why would it not do it for someone who is healthy? What is your point?

No one said it didn't as far as I've seen.

What IS your point exactly?

@Swifto next week I'll have my blood drawn again. Is there anything else besides LDL/HDL you want to know about or think is important to test for?

 

[jeroendebleser]

Gains beyond what threshold? You can definitely keep gains at your max on TRT. Not a bodybuilder type of gains, but still being bigger then most

Well the threshold is moved upwards seriously by Oxymetholone so good luck in keeping those gains on only a replacement dose of Testosterone.

 

[SouthernMuscle]

No one said it didn't as far as I've seen.

What IS your point exactly?

@Swifto next week I'll have my blood drawn again. Is there anything else besides LDL/HDL you want to know about or think is important to test for?

In regards to the anadrol use i would say vldl?

 

[MR. BMJ]

I would just suggest using caution going too hard in one direction, as far as safety goes. There are reasons why people over the last several decades have had a love-hate relationship with Anadrol. I know this goes without saying, but it still needs to be said...when it comes to safety, with anything you put in your body, if it effects you negatively in a bad way (feeling-wise, labs, gyno, etc....) either lower the dose or discontinue it altogether. Others may have very good experiences with it, labs etc, but if it effects you oppositely, then take caution and do what you need to do for your own health.

Things to monitor outside of blood work (definitely lipids) are BP and gyno.

Just be responsible and take your own health (labs) seriously to gauge your own path on it's use.

Anyway.....lol.

You can slow the down-sizing effects by continuing test (trt or whatnot) afterward. This will probably vary user to user and their genetics, diet, training, etc that all factor into everything. I'd probably throw in creatine to help slow down the immediate water weight loss (to those who get it). I'm speaking in terms of it being used for size and not in a hypocaloric state obviously.

 

[magRT496]

orals seems to be making my stomach huge when used. Assuming it’s not the liver dress but stomach distress, how is injectable drol?

I’ve been having the same issues, I love drol but it causes horrible stomach bloating and what seems to be acid overproduction, and once the bloating starts I get constipation. For some reason PPI’s don’t help much either. Hoping for a solution I whipped up some injectable drol the other day and grave it a try. It did cut the bloating down but definitively didn’t eliminate it, even when I only injected 25mg about 90 mins later I could feel the distention start. And after a couple days in a row the bloating gets pretty severe.

Someone mentioned the bloating is actually a bile blockage in the hepatic portal vein and 500mg Tudca taken am and pm helps. I’m gonna try that next.

 

[Doitagain]

I’ve been having the same issues, I love drol but it causes horrible stomach bloating and what seems to be acid overproduction, and once the bloating starts I get constipation. For some reason PPI’s don’t help much either. Hoping for a solution I whipped up some injectable drol the other day and grave it a try. It did cut the bloating down but definitively didn’t eliminate it, even when I only injected 25mg about 90 mins later I could feel the distention start. And after a couple days in a row the bloating gets pretty severe.

Someone mentioned the bloating is actually a bile blockage in the hepatic portal vein and 500mg Tudca taken am and pm helps. I’m gonna try that next.

It may actually be the polar opposite issue: Hypochlorhydria.
Betaine HCL capsules are very cheap, try taking one a few minutes before meals. If this ameliorates bloating and constipation, you're low in stomach acid.

 

[MouthBreather1982]

It seems to happen to my friends and I with all recent orals. I actually get a huge stomach and gas.

 

[bbxtreme]

People absolutely blow things such as Anadrol toxicity out proportion. But that doesn’t mean that it can’t wreck havoc on the body over time.

Anadrol or any oral ran 4-6 weeks with other compounds can make a huge difference in a cycle. But I would only do that after checking blood work- alt, ast, hscrp, and lipids with a comprehensive metabolic panel.

Used over longer periods of time without cycling off may stress the liver and slow digestion, but I would be more worried about the single digit HDL numbers, high LDL being out of correct ratio and spiked HSCRP as this is just asking for heart issues.

 

[jeroendebleser]

People absolutely blow things such as Anadrol toxicity out proportion. But that doesn’t mean that it can’t wreck havoc on the body over time.

Anadrol or any oral ran 4-6 weeks with other compounds can make a huge difference in a cycle. But I would only do that after checking blood work- alt, ast, hscrp, and lipids with a comprehensive metabolic panel.

Used over longer periods of time without cycling off may stress the liver and slow digestion, but I would be more worried about the single digit HDL numbers, high LDL being out of correct ratio and spiked HSCRP as this is just asking for heart issues.

What is HSCRP and what does it stand for so I know what to tell my doctor to test for?

 

[Doitagain]

What is HSCRP and what does it stand for so I know what to tell my doctor to test for?

High-sensitivity C-reactive protein