is anyone else getting tired of all the negativity?? or is it just me..?

[cryptasm]

I'm over 40 and wanne be bigger than someone elses daddy

well i can see your point Lats but not everybody who is a BB loves and cherishes the sport as u or the next guy might.

I dont love taking drugs i can tell you that ,, i wrote earlier in a post that im more so addicted to the feeling i get from a good workout and pushing myself past my own expectations, , i really dont care about anything else in BB , trophys magazines exposure mean nada to me ,,, im addicted and thats just how it is for now , so im gonna have fun with BB but im also gonna watch what goes into my body and take proper precautions along with setting a age limit to competing ,,, im sorry but i think taking large amounts of aas as a 40 yr old to be bigger then my sons friends daddy is a stupid thing in itself. now thats just how i feel and i do respect others and there reasoning as well.

However I dont compete and don't take large amounts of AAS...natural hormone levels decline and you can feel it pysically and mentaly as you get older... I dont ever go above 800mgs, dont feel I have too, Im not tryingto be huge, just want the extra edge that they provide... I feel them when I'm on, I'm mentally sharper and more agressive in business... Better sex drive, more ambitious.. they bring alot to the table at 40 and above..Plus looking better isn't a bad side effect...That said I belive in risk/benifit ratio I am willing to take the risk for the benifit, but you wont find me weighing in at 275-290 in the "offseason" and you won't find me using 6 differnt esters and orals and mega amounts...I get blood tests and watch for trouble....
I didn't think I'd care at 40 but 40 comes fast and I used to think 40 was old..now that im past that...I don't ...but I still think I'm 30 , so I can understand what your saying... there will come a time when you say enuff is enuff time to scale it back and use them for an edge and to keep from the natural decline and negative ratios at sane dosages....

 

[Queefer]

"thats how it is for now in a few years ill be done with it"
V, does this mean you'll stop working out, or stop using. Cause if you mean you'll stop using forever, this is what we all say. And another thing, I'm 33 and I don't use to be bigger than my kids friends, I use so I look good enough to hook up with his highschool girlfriends.

 

[knucklehed]

Natural bodybuilding

I began training again after almost 10 years out of the gym and off the juice. I went back because I wanted to be a role model for my very young son. Before that,I was the guy who picks up the 12 pack on the way home from framing or hanging rock all day. Anyway, it was about being a heathly and fit role model.
It is easy to lose perspective. Especially after getting spanked at the Emerald Cup. Natural Bodybuilding is less exciting, less prestigious and less interesting admittedly true. But I know alot of Naturals who are awesome achievers, great athletes, and above all else, healthy role models.
I would never knocked steroids or people who use, like most of my friends. I have used and will likely use again. But I hope to never let it get out of controll.
I have never mentioned anything about being natural or otherwise. I don't want to come off as self-righteous or hypocritical. I have loved bodybuilding since I was 15 years old. My older sister bought me a Muscle and Fitness and I was hooked. I had no clue about the drugs, politics or any of the ugly stuff that surrounds the sport.
Even with all the BS, I still love the sport....
KH

 

[JoeyT]

Why do we have to get ethnic....

V,
what is it your addicted to? the "drugs"?

Ill say this, I like my chances MUCH better then 99% of the general public..
Male or female. Look at all these SMOKERS, cokers, Dopers, pill poppers,
hell even the majority of "prescription drugs" come with sides and warning labels. Then you have alcoholics, Fat lazy Grease eating wops, Mothers on xanax or some other "drugs" a doc has put them on (often for life)
to controll there nerves.

maybe we shouldnt get in sunlight or tanning beds either? CANCER
Maybe we shouldnt have ever had unprotected or pre marital sex either..
NOw theres a real killer? AIDS
The list goes on forever... what about not wearing a seatbelt? speeding down the highway? getting hit by lighting?

I think AAS often get the blame regardless if it was the cause IMHO...
Unfortinatley here its sad that its our own spreading this and the awfull DANGERS when normally its the general public or ESPN

Tell me Vander... In all seriousness what bad effects have these Horrable
drugs Given you?

Why couldn't it be fat, lazy greasy eating hillbillys?

Just kiding!!!!!!! The Italian jokes hit close to home!

 

[New_Mass]

Professional Board or Not

if you won't allow other opinions on the net that differs from the love of bodybuilding and usage of juice, then how can you goto the general public and voice your true feelings about bodybuilding? Isn't the concensus of the general public that the usage of juice is bad and pro bodybuilding is a freak show? SHould they just tell you to voice your opinion elsewhere because you are differing from the majority view there?


I think it's good to have both sides here, there, everywhere, so that more people become educated about steroids and bodybuilding from every conceivable angle.. We are delusional to think that everything we are doing to our body has no consequences.. If someone who started with the view I do but later found out otherwise when he come out on the other side, I'd surely like to hear about it. It might not influence my thinking one way or another, but it is still nice to ponder about it a bit because there are always two sides to a story.

well said, this is why the board is called professional, its a profession that deals with the science of bodybuilding from all angles not just one. this board is not meant for kids in which you have to watch what you say, or the lame hearted who is still in doubt about whether they should or shouldn't . If a person comes here and just feeds off of the negative aspect that comes with BB and uses it as the reason why they wont venture into the sport on this level then you best to believe that deep down that's how they really felt from the start. This type of person really feels and believes that they shouldn't use AS but if they can come to a board and find all positivity about it to feed their imaginations then for the time maybe it will help mask how they really feel. no that's not the way to go, this sport should continue to be expressed from all angles, this is the truth of BB, this is professional

 

[rAJJIN]

Health risks from aas

Can we please get some facts on the health problems
they cause in reality?

We all know the good side effects..I myself have had no serious problems with any bad side effects in my 7-8 years now in this.

Heres what I can say honestly-
Some hairloss (permanent)
some testicle shrinkage (temp)....> (always bounce back with hcg)
Night sweats here and there..few zits and or boils at times. (again temp)
Umm well thats it. Maybe some temporary lumps and bruises from injections.
so The only permanent "bad" side effect Ive had personally is hairloss.
And shit I dont blame the roids for it... Like anything else things CAN and do just happen..even to the "best" of people steroids or Not!

Please do list the negatives and maybe we can get all this out of our systems now

Please list some facts and or any side effects youve had personally.
Ive never heard such assumptions from here, usually YES we are professional
and speak from experience and facts.
This hole thing Kicked off on an assumption that One Man Had a heart attack
from steroid abuse....I swear some of you watch to much espn.

 

[rAJJIN]

maybe

Maybe we can pick a few guys at random that are respected members here
that can give honest information On "bad"side effects THEY HAVE PERSONALLY
experienced using anabolic steroids. Lets do our own study?
Rite now it just seems like and Im rite your wrong, he said she said.
Im smart your dumb, Im Big your little,

Shit how about the Mods.. they are our leaders.
Maybe they can share the good Vs the bad.... Permanent or temporary
side effcts. what they would change if they could go back etc etc.

 

[gooey]

Their were studies done on...

males taking around 600 mgs of testosterone and showed no side effects I dont know how long the study is or the name, but Rick Collins uses it quite freq in his arguments. The problem I see is that many take more then 600 mgs, or superphysiological doses. Their needs to be a study done on that, which controls for health history, family history, and diet. This needs to be a longitudinal study to see what happens to males with this substantial amount of hormones in them until then when BBer dies at an early age and then performance enhancing drugs will always more often then not get pointed at as the culprit. Their are numerous studies on women and estrogen and birth control, but why not males and androgens?
gooey

 

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Take the above links with a grain of salt. Not all are research based. Not all were peer reviewed and some are mere abstracts of a particular study. Regarless of what is written in the above, the take home message is that AAS is doses larger than that deemed HRT or hormone replacement therapy, have the potential to severly affect your lipid ratios, blood pressure as well as heart wall thickness and overall size. Combine these potential risks with an "off season" diet meaning huge quantities of food, a weight of 60 to 80lbs above your normal body index and it's no wonder we don't see more deaths associated with "long-term" use of AAS. Then there is insulin, growth hormone and the use of R3 IGF1, not to metion the use of diuretics, cortisol blockers, EPO, SERM's and a host of other practices that have there use but are completely out of the realm of your average competitive bodybuilder...volume expanders etc. It's what's required to win at the top level guys! Now, if you think you have what it takes to be a nationally ranked "professional" than by all means, do what you have to do but always keep in the back of your mind that someday you might want a family, a home and your health. Bodybuilding today is about extremes and unfortunately the sacrifice is our health over the long term. I merely post this response to balance the pro-steroid view that many take here and elsewhere.
Some may call me a hippocrite for my past indisgressions and now coming out against the super physiological use of AAS. Read what competent "professionals" in their own fields have researched as major health issues with AAS use and it's hard to deny that we truly can't see the forest for the trees and need to take a proactive stance in how we truly view "health".
Personally, I've gone under the knife twice for gynocomastia. I've had to resort to IVF with ICSI to become a father. I've been to the emergency department twice due to heart ischemia. I know that I have LVH and that my heart is larger than the average for my age as evidenced through an echocardiogram. I am now on a diuretic as well as a beta-blocker and last week I was put on Lipitor because my LDL to HDL ratio hasn't changed despite reducing my dietary fats, salt intake and 30 min of cardio a day over the past 3 months. All this and I'm...36 yrs old! No one can dismiss that my use has caught up with me and that now I am paying a price. Thankfully I listened to my body and have the potential to turn things around.

Get yourself checked out medically if you suspect you have high blood pressure. Ask your doc to do an occasional blood cholesterol check. Be proactive about your health. OK, I'm done.

 

[di8kids]

I can't say that it's negativity......

It is good to show both sides of bodybuilding--the ugly and the beauty.....then we can decide for ourselves if we want to pursue. It all comes back to what do we want for our lives. Everyone is a unique creature--and this is not the sport for everyone. We are all adults who can decide for ourselves, no matter what is posted. Just my opinion, if it matters.

Sincerely,
Di

 

[Vander_V]

guys... there is a HUGE difference between being negative and being honest...the truth upsets alot of people since they hang around "YES" people. I am not a yes person nor will i ever be one..if you can't handle the truth then don't ask for it and if you don't want to hear the truth walk away or find a new hobby...

We all kid yourselves when we got into this sport by saying i just want 10-20 more lbs then i'll quit i just want to be bigger...i am VERY sure that most of you on here are far past that original goal and still looking for size,thicknes, strength and that ripped look...

Be honest with yourself before you critque what others are saying...they just may be right!

GREAT POST BRO.

 

[THEKINGKONG]

GOOD READ,, NOW I GOTTA GO DO MY SHOTS OF TEST TREN MASTERON AND EQ....
Seriously though good post. Don't forget the INSANE DIURETIC USE,, wait I forgot all the pros who have kidny problems are just genetically prone to kidney disease

 

[cryptasm]

WHATS UR VICE? AND WHY IS YOUR BETTER THAN SOMEONE ELSES?

V,
what is it your addicted to? the "drugs"?

Ill say this, I like my chances MUCH better then 99% of the general public..
Male or female. Look at all these SMOKERS, cokers, Dopers, pill poppers,
hell even the majority of "prescription drugs" come with sides and warning labels. Then you have alcoholics, Fat lazy Grease eating wops, Mothers on xanax or some other "drugs" a doc has put them on (often for life)
to controll there nerves.

maybe we shouldnt get in sunlight or tanning beds either? CANCER
Maybe we shouldnt have ever had unprotected or pre marital sex either..
NOw theres a real killer? AIDS
The list goes on forever... what about not wearing a seatbelt? speeding down the highway? getting hit by lighting?

I think AAS often get the blame regardless if it was the cause IMHO...
Unfortinatley here its sad that its our own spreading this and the awfull DANGERS when normally its the general public or ESPN

Tell me Vander... In all seriousness what bad effects have these Horrable
drugs Given you?

so we do aas , because we workout and understand the reasons for them. I have friendds that smoke weed every day that dont workout, they have reasons for that , I know coke users, i know moms on xanax, i know lesbians who smoke pot, i know homosexuals who smoke pot, do coke and take valium and extasy and viagra...they do it for their reasons and who am i to judge them...cause i don;t follow their lifestyle????
I smoke weed somtimes, drink sometimes, do coke when I am in the mood and will partake insome xanax or valium when i feel i need it. None of those people would understand us sticking needles in our asses ans legs and delts and calfs and shit, they would think we are sick....so who are we to judge anyone for the vice of choice.. we all have em... Provigial when tired, adderall or ritalin to stop hunger.. we are all equal in our choices... we just allhaveb different ones.. so who;'s to judge mine is worse than yours???
live your own life people in general realy only care about themselves and what you think of them.. they really arn't paying much attention to you..
so live , do your thing, people think im nuts cause of all the supps and gear and shots I take an i am mild compared to most people..but they go home and do stupid shot like beat their wifes , drink a 5th of JD , or i dunno stick their finger vup their ass..I don't care evryone has their vices and no ones is better or worse we takegear they take valium. pot , coke, beat wifes aor kids... no one's exempt...so lets not start beating on the people who have other chosen "drugs of choice" or lifestyles...who fuckin cares .. its my choice to do want I want or not, none of my busines what anyone else does!!!!cause in the end te only one I can controll is me (most of the time)

 

[rAJJIN]

so we do aas , because we workout and understand the reasons for them. I have friendds that smoke weed every day that dont workout, they have reasons for that , I know coke users, i know moms on xanax, i know lesbians who smoke pot, i know homosexuals who smoke pot, do coke and take valium and extasy and viagra...they do it for their reasons and who am i to judge them...cause i don;t follow their lifestyle????
I smoke weed somtimes, drink sometimes, do coke when I am in the mood and will partake insome xanax or valium when i feel i need it. None of those people would understand us sticking needles in our asses ans legs and delts and calfs and shit, they would think we are sick....so who are we to judge anyone for the vice of choice.. we all have em... Provigial when tired, adderall or ritalin to stop hunger.. we are all equal in our choices... we just allhaveb different ones.. so who;'s to judge mine is worse than yours???
live your own life people in general realy only care about themselves and what you think of them.. they really arn't paying much attention to you..
so live , do your thing, people think im nuts cause of all the supps and gear and shots I take an i am mild compared to most people..but they go home and do stupid shot like beat their wifes , drink a 5th of JD , or i dunno stick their finger vup their ass..I don't care evryone has their vices and no ones is better or worse we takegear they take valium. pot , coke, beat wifes aor kids... no one's exempt...so lets not start beating on the people who have other chosen "drugs of choice" or lifestyles...who fuckin cares .. its my choice to do want I want or not, none of my busines what anyone else does!!!!cause in the end te only one I can controll is me (most of the time)

Well,
I guess all I can say Is rock on bro! May the force be with ya, sounds like your going to need it.

 

[bigbadasian]

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|--[\\\]>-------- To each their own is what i say. i have plenty of friends who do coke and smoke weed, do i preach to them? hell no, i dont give two shits what they do, that is why i expect them to NEVER judge me for what i do. i had a HUGE fight with my gf last nite b/c she has fallen right into the media's eyes pertaining to bbing and AAS usage...she is CERTAIN i'm going to die at age 40! There is more to the story that i'm not going into, but with all the hype about AAS in baseball and football, it's stiring the pot. I too am tired of ppl coming on bbing boards preaching how they do it naturally...GREAT...happy for ya...go to a natty board, dont come in here and bash those who CHOOSE to use! They are just plain bored and look to start arguments and act like a hard ass on the computer....

 

[gooey]

natty ha!!!!

|--[\\\]>-------- I too am tired of ppl coming on bbing boards preaching how they do it naturally...GREAT...happy for ya...go to a natty board, dont come in here and bash those who CHOOSE to use! They are just plain bored and look to start arguments and act like a hard ass on the computer....

their is nothing may I repeat nothing natural about BBing, people should stop using that term and use "I didnt get tested positive that day" or "my hormones are only supplement manipulated, which is different" Their is nothing "natural" about BBing, some use exodgenous hormones others do not, but dont bring that natural shit up
gooey

 

[PHIL HERNON]

BBA

|--[\\\]>-------- To each their own is what i say. i have plenty of friends who do coke and smoke weed, do i preach to them? hell no, i dont give two shits what they do, that is why i expect them to NEVER judge me for what i do. i had a HUGE fight with my gf last nite b/c she has fallen right into the media's eyes pertaining to bbing and AAS usage...she is CERTAIN i'm going to die at age 40! There is more to the story that i'm not going into, but with all the hype about AAS in baseball and football, it's stiring the pot. I too am tired of ppl coming on bbing boards preaching how they do it naturally...GREAT...happy for ya...go to a natty board, dont come in here and bash those who CHOOSE to use! They are just plain bored and look to start arguments and act like a hard ass on the computer....

Your GF cares about you, thats all. Honestly, a friend to a friend, you look terribly unhealthy. I am worried about you also. You told me you were very small and had to take the amounts we spoke about to get to your size, but I think you really need to get regular checkups. If I didnt care, I would not tell you this.

 

[THEKINGKONG]

NO excuse not to get a regular blookworks thats for sure.

 

[LATS]

i just came back to the thread and i have to say that bigbadbulldog hit it on the head and said exactly what i have been saying.. if you hate what you do and do not have a good view point of what you are doing .. than walk away and find a different hobby.. i said this in my initial post and stand by it.. IT IS THAT SIMPLE.. JUST WALK AWAY.. if you are "addicted" and hate being that way.. GET SOME COUNSELING.. get healthy.. it is not bodybuildings fault and i for one am tired of seeing posts blaming bodybuilding for their problems..posts like "bodybuilding ruined my life" and "steroids almost killed me".. bodybuilding did not ruin your life nor is it responsible for your problems.. you control you life.. period.. if you do not like what you are doing or what bodybuilding "makes" you do than get out!! steroids did not almost kill you.. if you abuse anything from aspirin to plain old sugar, you will pay the price.. YOU almost killed you.. not steroids.. YOU ruined your life or marriage not bodybuilding.. bigbaldbulldog also said that some people do not want to hear the truth.. very true.. it comes back to personal responsibilty.."it is not my fault " ect..
i stated in the beginning of this thread that a forum is to express various views.. but, for some, every view is negative.. what the heck are you doing pursuing a sport that is causing you so much personal anguish?? again.. your fault.. if bodybuilding has or is causing you problems.. get out of bodybuilding and pursue another sport or hobby.. STOP BLAMING IT ON BODYBUILDING.. AND STOP POSTING ABOUT ITS EVILS EVERY TIME YOU GET THE CHANCE.. we get it already.. you hate it.. i understand.. now move on.. or at the very least stop sounding like a broken record by somehow, someway, incorporating it into every post..
phil stated that he was not aware of people not posting anymore after big-al made that statement.. think back.. you will see that there are names missing as contributors from here who used to post but do not anymore.. i have recieved e mails and pm's form various people naming people on this board and others who just make putting a thread up not even worth it.. it is the same old crap from thses people.. always negative and discouraging.. if yo have a view point and things .. fine express it.. but, do not blame us if it falls on deaf ears because of the repeated statements that sound like a broken record or it reeks of hypocrisy and is brushed off.. cast your stone only if it makes sense.. if you state that roids cause health concerns and you "will never do that to yourself" all the while you are taking 2000 mgs a week.. expect to not be taken seriously.. if you state that bodybuilding "ruined your life" all the while you had free choice to get out of the game.. well you get the picture.. it is just getting very tiresome to many people...

 

[LATS]

oh and by the way guys.. not all pro bodybuilders are sleeze bags.. some are actually pretty stand up guys.. mark dugdale (a thriving business and beautiful daughters) david henry (awesome guy and very down to earth father and military man) lee priest (great guy and also down to earth and funny as hell) phil hernon (although i have not been able to talk to him lately and he can hard on himself and his past, he still is a stand up guy.. if he needed help i would fly out there in a instant to help.. i would not do this for a schmuck..) that is just naming a few.. are there idiots who are extremely self centered and would sacrifice the needs of their own kids for the personal gain? yes.. but, they are in every sport today.. we are no different..