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Is Fish Oil Just Snake Oil?

So you just read that and believed it? Oh, and the kind of fish matters too...so, your statement is not specifics, very generalized, and a bit dogmatic. Most of us should be eating wild fatty fish 3x a week AND supplementing with some EPA/DHA too.

(my suggestions)
Nordic Naturals
Carlsons
Jarrow

Totally agreed here knight.

My extended family who is born and raised and lives in parts of Turkey, Greece and Armenia eat fish 4-5 x times a week, from sardines, shellfish to wild caught (off the bay) fatty fish.

Spent a month with them, WOW is all I can say from vast differnce from a meddieterean diet to north american diet, no shocker really.

Breakfast was a few olives, soft boiled eggs, fresh pita bread and hard chees's and Grape leaf dolma (armenian style, greeks eat this as well)

lunch was always light, feta and tomatoes, with some tabloueh salad and olive oil and olives, almonds, fresh hummus and pita.

dinner - was mostly some type of fatty fish almost everyday on a charcoal BBQ with bulgar pilaf and feta salad with a few bottles of red wine.

best and freshest meals I ever had man, good times!
 
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So you just read that and believed it? Oh, and the kind of fish matters too...so, your statement is not specifics, very generalized, and a bit dogmatic. Most of us should be eating wild fatty fish 3x a week AND supplementing with some EPA/DHA too.

(my suggestions)
Nordic Naturals
Carlsons
Jarrow


Nordic naturals....love it
 
So you just read that and believed it? Oh, and the kind of fish matters too...so, your statement is not specifics, very generalized, and a bit dogmatic. Most of us should be eating wild fatty fish 3x a week AND supplementing with some EPA/DHA too.

(my suggestions)
Nordic Naturals
Carlsons
Jarrow

My favorite is Ahi seared but raw inside and Wild Sockeye when available. So your saying I still may not be getting enough from diet?
 
My favorite is Ahi seared but raw inside and Wild Sockeye when available. So your saying I still may not be getting enough from diet?
What is "getting enough"? If you aren't getting very ill, than you're probably eating enough essential fatty acids. But that doesn't mean you're getting a beneficial or therapeutic amount. Trust me, I have absolutely no reason to lie to you, I don't know anyone that even sells fish oil personally. But what I can personally tell you is how much better you feel and how much better your bloodwork appears. These are essential. EFA's. YOU HAVE TO EAT THEM. Just like essential amino acids. It's cheap too. I also use nordic and a 12 dollar bottle lasts me two months. I also eat fish (yes, I love sardines). Mix sardines with a little mayo and celery and it tastes like tuna salad only better. I only take one capsule a day because I do eat a lot of other omega-3 and 6 foods.

Snake oil? No way. Essential? Yes.
 
as a college student i can not afford eating salmon on the regular. other fatty fish is also rather expensive here except sardines but i dont like the taste.
im huge on (lean) pork, ham and chicken/turkey. thats where probably 80% of my protein comes from, the rest is dairy.

what i do is buying fish oil thats intended for animal feed by the gallon. that sh*t is ridiculously cheap. over here they have the exact same quality standards for animal feed as for supplements. i probably pay 1/10 of what i used to pay for fish oil caps.

i take about 1/2 oz a day (with the meals lowest in fat)...

fish oil and a multivitamin IMO are the only supplements that are really worth it and you can get both cheap as chips.
i pay maybe 5$ a month total for these and got my RDA of all vitamins and minerals covered by 100% through the multi alone (i still eat a good amount of fruit and veggies) plus a good amount of fish oil.

even if the health benefit is minimal (i actually think its quite big though) thats well worth the 5$ for me.
 
I just eat a tin of pilchards most days. Get loads off omega 3 and 50g protein per tin
I also enjoy eating them so it's win win. I tend to forget to take things like fish oil and other sups. Bad enough remembering to take all your gear shots and peps etc workout adding to it.
 
What is "getting enough"? If you aren't getting very ill, than you're probably eating enough essential fatty acids. But that doesn't mean you're getting a beneficial or therapeutic amount. Trust me, I have absolutely no reason to lie to you, I don't know anyone that even sells fish oil personally. But what I can personally tell you is how much better you feel and how much better your bloodwork appears. These are essential. EFA's. YOU HAVE TO EAT THEM. Just like essential amino acids. It's cheap too. I also use nordic and a 12 dollar bottle lasts me two months. I also eat fish (yes, I love sardines). Mix sardines with a little mayo and celery and it tastes like tuna salad only better. I only take one capsule a day because I do eat a lot of other omega-3 and 6 foods.

Snake oil? No way. Essential? Yes.
Listen to this guy. Good stuff.
 
as a college student i can not afford eating salmon on the regular. other fatty fish is also rather expensive here except sardines but i dont like the taste.
im huge on (lean) pork, ham and chicken/turkey. thats where probably 80% of my protein comes from, the rest is dairy.

what i do is buying fish oil thats intended for animal feed by the gallon. that sh*t is ridiculously cheap. over here they have the exact same quality standards for animal feed as for supplements. i probably pay 1/10 of what i used to pay for fish oil caps.

i take about 1/2 oz a day (with the meals lowest in fat)...

fish oil and a multivitamin IMO are the only supplements that are really worth it and you can get both cheap as chips.
i pay maybe 5$ a month total for these and got my RDA of all vitamins and minerals covered by 100% through the multi alone (i still eat a good amount of fruit and veggies) plus a good amount of fish oil.

even if the health benefit is minimal (i actually think its quite big though) thats well worth the 5$ for me.
Your health/bloodwork will likely improve if you eat more fat. Don't be afraid of it. Yolks, Avocado, etc.. (if you can't afford gfb and wild fatty fish).
 
Your health/bloodwork will likely improve if you eat more fat. Don't be afraid of it. Yolks, Avocado, etc.. (if you can't afford gfb and wild fatty fish).


I am confident in saying that it will improve.
 
Here is the conclusion of one of these studies:
CONCLUSIONS:

Supplement of Omega-3 PUFAs in patients with CHD is not associated with a protective effect on major cardiovascular events, while it does exert beneficial effects in reducing death from cardiac causes, sudden cardiac death and death from all causes. However, with currently available cardio-protective therapies, whether dietary supplementation with Omega-3 PUFAs should be still considered in patients with CHD is currently debated.


So they took people with CHD (Coronary Heart Disease) and gave them fish oil. Of course, we don't know what kind, if it was protected from oxidation, etc etc etc... But...

Even if the patients were given the best of the best, they were still CHD patients, meaning they already had issues with their hearts. This is modern western medicine at its finest. I am not bashing western medicine btw, I am simply pointing out that it does what it does best. It treats a disease in action, it focuses on emergency care rather than prevention of disease.

But even with that aside, if you look at the conclusions you see the statement, "it does exert beneficial effects in reducing death from cardiac causes, sudden cardiac death and death from all causes." Mind-numbing to say the least.

Essentially they are saying that omega-3's are still good for health. But they won't jumpstart a dead heart.

The essential quality of Omega-3 will never be argued. If one is lacking in them, then all sorts of health issues will surface over time, especially if that person is also eating a modern food-stuff type of diet.

I hope everyone continues to take a high quality Omega-3 product and I also hope those with CHD know that taking fish oil won't "save" them.
 
Here is the conclusion of one of these studies:



So they took people with CHD (Coronary Heart Disease) and gave them fish oil. Of course, we don't know what kind, if it was protected from oxidation, etc etc etc... But...

Even if the patients were given the best of the best, they were still CHD patients, meaning they already had issues with their hearts. This is modern western medicine at its finest. I am not bashing western medicine btw, I am simply pointing out that it does what it does best. It treats a disease in action, it focuses on emergency care rather than prevention of disease.

But even with that aside, if you look at the conclusions you see the statement, "it does exert beneficial effects in reducing death from cardiac causes, sudden cardiac death and death from all causes." Mind-numbing to say the least.

Essentially they are saying that omega-3's are still good for health. But they won't jumpstart a dead heart.

The essential quality of Omega-3 will never be argued. If one is lacking in them, then all sorts of health issues will surface over time, especially if that person is also eating a modern food-stuff type of diet.

I hope everyone continues to take a high quality Omega-3 product and I also hope those with CHD know that taking fish oil won't "save" them.

And this is why I love your insight brother...because even when I know what the studies are saying most times, you have a way of putting it very clearly. Anyone who thinks fish oil(epa/dha) is not going to improve health is missing the boat. It's almost as if they want to believe otherwise..
 
But even with that aside, if you look at the conclusions you see the statement, "it does exert beneficial effects in reducing death from cardiac causes, sudden cardiac death and death from all causes." Mind-numbing to say the least.
BOOM! What else is there to say?!?
 
Fish oil or omega 3's can raise LDL-C levels, this has been well established.


The intended use of fish oil is for lowering triglycerides, again which has been well established. Incidentally not for you. Which may be related to genetics, diet prediabetes or NAFLD (Non alcoholic fatty liver disease).

Stewie, I am interested in what methodology and practices you subscribe to and suggest (to family and friends) when it comes to omega3 consumption and supplementation. For example, when you want optimal health for yourself or another...what would your advice be?
 
This interesting thing here, if you're interested at all, is essential vs non-essential foods. Your body can manufacture most of the thousands of substances it needs. There are just a few (even though it may seem like a lot) vitamins, minerals, aminos, and fatty acids that your body CAN NOT LIVE WITHOUT. In other words, you must consume these few or you will get sick and/or possibly die.

When these trace substances were first discovered, it wasn't even accepted by the scientific community. Originally, they were called vit-amines which was a conjunction of vital and amines since it was believed at the time that all these substances were amines. Even today, we know very little about how much or how little of these molecules and elements we need. What are the symptoms of a manganese deficiency? What it we think someone is getting too little copper?

The point is we are beginning to discover that many people are very individual as to what they may need. This probably occurred because for many generations, certain elements and molecules were present in the rich soils of different soils all over the world. Today, our crops are rotated and the soil is just a medium to grow in and the rest of what the plant might need to survive is infused with only what the plant needs to grow - not what is healthiest for the plant or what is best when it is consumed. Similarly, the animals in farms consume the plants from this same depleted soil and they also have vitamin deficiencies.

Before I get too off-topic let's just talk about essential and non-essential. Non-essential means your body can produce it and essential means you need to consume, in some way, that mineral, vitamin, or element.

Here's a fun fact. Among all the animals on Earth, just a couple can't naturally produce ascorbic acid (vitamin C). In other words, if you don't eat vitamin C, you'll die. And die many people did. Thousands on long trips at sea died from scurvy which was simply a vitamin deficiency. American ships stocked lemons eventually and British Navy's stocked limes (that's were the term "limey" came from for a British person).

Salt. If you completely eliminated salt from your diet, you would eventually die. There are many of these elements and minerals that we require. But if we talk essential, we have to be practical.

You could probably live for a long time just eating a single fruit per month. Would you feel good? What might the symptoms be? We really have no idea. You might lose your hair, or get depressed, or feel anxiety, or have poor eyesight. The truth is, we know almost nothing about deficiencies. We rarely know when there is too much! There are studies upon studies that will contradict each other and leave you more confused than ever.

Even cholesterol in general is still debated as to its role in increasing or decreasing mortality. Studies show in certain populations this could be the case but could be something unrelated altogether. Other populations live similar lifespans with much higher total cholesterol.

So what you're left with is making sure you get a wide variety of food so that at least you have a better chance of covering all you requirements. Also, it's important to make sure you know where your foods are coming from!

Since we're talking about fish oil and short-chain fatty acids, let's change over now from micronutrients (vitamins and minerals) to macronutrients - proteins and fats and carbs. There are no essential carbs but we now know, we know for a fact, that there are essential fatty acids and essential amino acids. Amino acids are more straightforward because if your body is deficient, if will just eat your own aminos (your tissue). You don't want you're body breaking down muscle, which is an unhealthy state. The same doesn't apply to fats. Your body will break some fats down but it won't create a good lipid profile, healthy skin, mental concentration, and anti-inflammatory response, among many other things that having blood full of healthier short-chain fats. In fact, in "survival mode" your body doesn't care much at all about your long term health - just your immediate survival.

In conclusion, getting "just enough" of certain short-chain fatty acids will ensure your survival but we now can physically feel and report increase wellbeing and have proven way beyond a reasonable doubt that your longevity, vitality, and standard of living will increase if A LARGER PERCENTAGE of the fats you consume are essential omega-3's, 6's, and 9's. It's not "snake oil" any longer. It's science.
 
^^^Damn, OTH. You are on point today. Great post.:headbang:
 
I am confident in saying that it will improve.


What if it doesnt? Example: ME!

When i was on my last diet consisting of chicken, eggs, almonds, coconut oil, avacadoes etc.... My cholesterol went pretty dang high, ive been told i have familia hypercholesterolima? So no matter what ive done my ldl will not go down below 170.... And thats the lowest ive ever gotten it thru diet alone....

So then what do u do?


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What if it doesnt? Example: ME!

When i was on my last diet consisting of chicken, eggs, almonds, coconut oil, avacadoes etc.... My cholesterol went pretty dang high, ive been told i have familia hypercholesterolima? So no matter what ive done my ldl will not go down below 170.... And thats the lowest ive ever gotten it thru diet alone....

So then what do u do?


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That's a hereditary genetic disorder (notice the latin familia? i.e "Family") You are not an ordinary example because you have a genetic disorder. Which truly sucks believe me. Your safest recourse is to work with a doctor and find a statin that works well for you. I still believe that there are certain natural ways to lower your cholesterol (niacin and garlic for example) but this is an illness that kind of goes beyond what we do here at professional muscle. We don't want to suggest anything because what if we suggest makes things worse?

You need a specialist brother. I feel for ya. I have a friend that has the same disorder but I never asked him if there was increased risk of mortality or heart disease associated with it.
 
That's a hereditary genetic disorder (notice the latin familia? i.e "Family") You are not an ordinary example because you have a genetic disorder. Which truly sucks believe me. Your safest recourse is to work with a doctor and find a statin that works well for you. I still believe that there are certain natural ways to lower your cholesterol (niacin and garlic for example) but this is an illness that kind of goes beyond what we do here at professional muscle. We don't want to suggest anything because what if we suggest makes things worse?



You need a specialist brother. I feel for ya. I have a friend that has the same disorder but I never asked him if there was increased risk of mortality or heart disease associated with it.


Yeah im gonna try ANYTHING way before i ever go on a statin, hell ive ben given statins by 3 docs already and dont want to use them due to all the research they have come up with lately... Citrus bergmont is something im starting monday with a few other items and ill see how it fairs in a month or so!

Thanks man!


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Yeah im gonna try ANYTHING way before i ever go on a statin, hell ive ben given statins by 3 docs already and dont want to use them due to all the research they have come up with lately... Citrus bergmont is something im starting monday with a few other items and ill see how it fairs in a month or so!

Thanks man!


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Anytime. I wish we could do more for you. Hell, I could take your family history, your bloodwork, your doctors, a nutritionist, talk to a dietician, and come up with a comprehensive plan for you that would kill your liver in a month.

Just know that I wish I could do more than I can which would be to just suggest a combination of statins with regular liver checks.
 
Anytime. I wish we could do more for you. Hell, I could take your family history, your bloodwork, your doctors, a nutritionist, talk to a dietician, and come up with a comprehensive plan for you that would kill your liver in a month.



Just know that I wish I could do more than I can which would be to just suggest a combination of statins with regular liver checks.


Its good man thanks! Im gonna see if i can get a dietician and go from there already seeing a hematologist and an endo! Cant hurt to run the gamut haha!


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