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hey guys
when a 150 pound natural trainee starts
1. eating 400 grams of protien + 400grams of carbs +100grams of fats
2 Trains with progressively heavier wts.
After 3 years of immense consistencency he plateaus at 180 pounds,
increasing his diet from 400 grams to 600 grams or carbs from 400 to 800.... will not be a good idea, as it would lead to more fat gains........this is the point where he needs to increase the efficiency of his already excellent diet.
now with the same diet he does a 500mg test for 10 week cycle... he gains 20 pounds....
now he is 200pounds.
my point here is that one should not over expect from an already excellent diet.
now the same 200 pounder comes to the forums with an ultimate goal of becoming 250pounds asks for advice about drug cycle.
he unnecerarrily has to bear with the comments like "hey" noob .... its all in the diet... diet this diet that....
but the poor guy is looking for a drug cycle system he can use on a yearly basis for say 4 years
-which is safe
-lesser need to increase the dosage.
trevor smith made a great point of doing 8 weeks on and 4 weeks off type of cycles for year long basis.
and with this kind of cycling he may need to increase the dose every 4th cycle.
year 1
week 1 to 6 500mg teste + A.I + HCG
7 to 8 500mg testp
9 to 12 clomid therapy
repeats 4 such cycles in year
year 2 week 1 to 6 750mg teste + A.I + HCG
7 to 8 500mg testp
9 to 12 clomid therapy
epeats 4 such cycles in year
year 3 1 to 6 750mg teste +some anabolic + A.I + HCG
7 to 8 500mg testp
9 to 12 clomid therapy
repeats 4 such cycles in year
year 4 1 to 6 1000mg teste +some anabolic + A.I + HCG
7 to 8 500mg testp
9 to 12 clomid therapy.
repeats 4 such cycles in year
year 5 1 to 6 1250mg teste +some anabolic + A.I + HCG
7 to 8 500mg testp
9 to 12 clomid therapy.
repeats 4 such cycles in year
and during these 5 years the same guy ate 500 grams of protien + 500grmas of carbs and 100grams of fats.... and is now 250 pound mass monster..
what is wrong with this blue print of the cycle design...
i think the guy is making the full use of the dose before increasing it.
thank you
PS this is just a hypothical case secanrio.... where a person can be on most the time and the same time the need of upping the dose is minimized as much as possible.
when a 150 pound natural trainee starts
1. eating 400 grams of protien + 400grams of carbs +100grams of fats
2 Trains with progressively heavier wts.
After 3 years of immense consistencency he plateaus at 180 pounds,
increasing his diet from 400 grams to 600 grams or carbs from 400 to 800.... will not be a good idea, as it would lead to more fat gains........this is the point where he needs to increase the efficiency of his already excellent diet.
now with the same diet he does a 500mg test for 10 week cycle... he gains 20 pounds....
now he is 200pounds.
my point here is that one should not over expect from an already excellent diet.
now the same 200 pounder comes to the forums with an ultimate goal of becoming 250pounds asks for advice about drug cycle.
he unnecerarrily has to bear with the comments like "hey" noob .... its all in the diet... diet this diet that....
but the poor guy is looking for a drug cycle system he can use on a yearly basis for say 4 years
-which is safe
-lesser need to increase the dosage.
trevor smith made a great point of doing 8 weeks on and 4 weeks off type of cycles for year long basis.
and with this kind of cycling he may need to increase the dose every 4th cycle.
year 1
week 1 to 6 500mg teste + A.I + HCG
7 to 8 500mg testp
9 to 12 clomid therapy
repeats 4 such cycles in year
year 2 week 1 to 6 750mg teste + A.I + HCG
7 to 8 500mg testp
9 to 12 clomid therapy
epeats 4 such cycles in year
year 3 1 to 6 750mg teste +some anabolic + A.I + HCG
7 to 8 500mg testp
9 to 12 clomid therapy
repeats 4 such cycles in year
year 4 1 to 6 1000mg teste +some anabolic + A.I + HCG
7 to 8 500mg testp
9 to 12 clomid therapy.
repeats 4 such cycles in year
year 5 1 to 6 1250mg teste +some anabolic + A.I + HCG
7 to 8 500mg testp
9 to 12 clomid therapy.
repeats 4 such cycles in year
and during these 5 years the same guy ate 500 grams of protien + 500grmas of carbs and 100grams of fats.... and is now 250 pound mass monster..
what is wrong with this blue print of the cycle design...
i think the guy is making the full use of the dose before increasing it.
thank you
PS this is just a hypothical case secanrio.... where a person can be on most the time and the same time the need of upping the dose is minimized as much as possible.
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