Is it worth it?

[anarchocapitalist]

Thanks for this board and all those who take time out of their day to support it. This is my first post here so go easy on me.

A while ago I was diagnosed with testicular cancer. It spread through my body. I ended up losing a testicle and going through chemotherapy. During chemo my remaining testicle shrunk and never really returned. Right now my oncologists consider me cured, cancer free, and at no greater risk to any other cancer.

I've used steroids off an on since '95. I'm currently 5'6" 220lbs offseason. Squat/dead 5 plates. Bench 4 plates.

After being diagnosed with cancer and going through chemo obviously I threw in the towel and decided to keep clean during my recovery. Everything returned to normal. I've never been so excited to grow back hair. I could tell my testosterone was low. No sex drive. Low energy. Depression. Etc. I had some leftover cypionate I started using and felt 100% better. I thought I probably would qualify for HRT but I had leftovers and I get cyp for cheap as fuck so I cost:benefit ... didn't really want to be bothered with the doctors.

My oncologist wants to do a testosterone check because I've developed some gyno. A hard lump. Apparently my cancer, germ cell cancer produces HCG and gave me a lump. I've been cycling 200mg test cyp and 200mg test decanoate per week and I pop a 1/4 (2.5mg) tab of letro a few times a week. 200mg of test decanoate with a half life of 15 days isn't going to get out of my system until mid fucking December. I have to put of this test. I was thinking of donating some blood a couple times and just claim to be working out of town for a while.

After all that babble ... do you guys think HRT would be worth it vs. juicing? I wasn't sure if I should ask this in the HRT forum because I'm really asking about cycling on my own.

The positives of TRT would be a legal script. I am a family man. Its HG gear. The bad thing is I probably couldn't shoot a lot of testosterone and my goals are like anyone here size/strength. I'd have to probably cycle short esters (prop/tren/drol cycles) and time gear use around the blood work.

The positives of moderating my own use is clear. I can get cheap testosterone. I honestly believe 400-600mg of testosterone is a safe dose for years. I couldn't get that with TRT. I can bump it up as needed without worry.

Anyways appreciate any feed back from guys who cycle vs. TRT.

 

[sbc5966]

Not taking your health into consideration, do both.

Taking your health into consideration? Go with what the doc suggests.

Lots of guys in the HRT forum do little blasts between blood checks and stuff.

Having the script is always good.

 

[anarchocapitalist]

How much can you cycle on HRT?

I suppose I'll probably get a blood test every 3-4 months to see what my levels run initially. After that every 6 months?

If I could get a blood test every 6 months I could probably shoot a gram of test cyp for 8 weeks follow that with some prop/tren/drol or something until the cyp is out of my system then get blood work?

How do some of you guys run it?

Lots of short esters?

 

[negaburn9]

your health is far more important than big muscles. 400 -600mgs of test a week is a cycle not a cruise.

we have to be careful in this game. bodybuilders have died young. aas have to have played a role, some what. we have people on this board who have had heart attacks. no, its not worth it, especially as a family man.

 

[sammy555]

400-600 is not really a good dose for years. I cruise on 250 test and about 30iu gh weekly and find this far superior to 500 test alone for results and health. Not that expensive either if you use riptroin or elitropin

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[BillHilton]

I love your screen name

 

[tkav1980]

First things first Id go with Doc prescribed HRT at least for a good while. That way a doc can monitor you and see how it really does effect you. After you know everythign is ok and there will definately be no complications maybe thing about self administering. Also a legal script will keep you around your family whereas going the other rout does have the chance of ending you up in some legal trouble.

 

[norm1220]

HRT sounds like the way to go, six weeks should be plenty of time for the Test Decanoate to dissipate so your levels will read low.

Your story and your stat's sound familiar. Is this Data from Anabolex? Either way, welcome to PM.

 

[emeric delczeg]

Thanks for this board and all those who take time out of their day to support it. This is my first post here so go easy on me.

A while ago I was diagnosed with testicular cancer. It spread through my body. I ended up losing a testicle and going through chemotherapy. During chemo my remaining testicle shrunk and never really returned. Right now my oncologists consider me cured, cancer free, and at no greater risk to any other cancer.

I've used steroids off an on since '95. I'm currently 5'6" 220lbs offseason. Squat/dead 5 plates. Bench 4 plates.

After being diagnosed with cancer and going through chemo obviously I threw in the towel and decided to keep clean during my recovery. Everything returned to normal. I've never been so excited to grow back hair. I could tell my testosterone was low. No sex drive. Low energy. Depression. Etc. I had some leftover cypionate I started using and felt 100% better. I thought I probably would qualify for HRT but I had leftovers and I get cyp for cheap as fuck so I cost:benefit ... didn't really want to be bothered with the doctors.

My oncologist wants to do a testosterone check because I've developed some gyno. A hard lump. Apparently my cancer, germ cell cancer produces HCG and gave me a lump. I've been cycling 200mg test cyp and 200mg test decanoate per week and I pop a 1/4 (2.5mg) tab of letro a few times a week. 200mg of test decanoate with a half life of 15 days isn't going to get out of my system until mid fucking December. I have to put of this test. I was thinking of donating some blood a couple times and just claim to be working out of town for a while.

After all that babble ... do you guys think HRT would be worth it vs. juicing? I wasn't sure if I should ask this in the HRT forum because I'm really asking about cycling on my own.

The positives of TRT would be a legal script. I am a family man. Its HG gear. The bad thing is I probably couldn't shoot a lot of testosterone and my goals are like anyone here size/strength. I'd have to probably cycle short esters (prop/tren/drol cycles) and time gear use around the blood work.

The positives of moderating my own use is clear. I can get cheap testosterone. I honestly believe 400-600mg of testosterone is a safe dose for years. I couldn't get that with TRT. I can bump it up as needed without worry.

Anyways appreciate any feed back from guys who cycle vs. TRT.

You are being very unwise and it is dangerous not to be honest with your doctor. Sounds like your reasoning is way off.

 

[Sieve]

I think you should do the following:
Dont do anything for the lump..
Go on a real TRT dose , not 400mg of test.
More like 150-200mg/ week.
Get off letro and use arimidex or aromasin to controll extra estrogen on the TRT dose. Blood test will show you how much to use for that TEST DOSE.
After this, get surgery to remove 95% of your glands.
It will be over quick and you will recover easy
Get someone who knows what they are doing.

 

[maldorf]

First things first Id go with Doc prescribed HRT at least for a good while. That way a doc can monitor you and see how it really does effect you. After you know everythign is ok and there will definately be no complications maybe thing about self administering. Also a legal script will keep you around your family whereas going the other rout does have the chance of ending you up in some legal trouble.

youll also get regular blood test from you doc and insurance will cover it. Now you must realize that the normal HRT dose of test is just 200mg/2weeks for cypionate. I personally take 100 mg/wk because its better to break it up into at least once every 7 days. The dose youre taking now is at least 4x what it should be. There is significant danger to you if you stay on that dose for years. You got a second chance on life, dont blow it now.

 

[anarchocapitalist]

Thanks for all the honest feedback guys I really appreciate you taking time out of your day to help a bro figure some things out!

First I want to mention that my oncologist knows that I have used steroids in the past. When I was first diagnosed I admitted all my bad habits from anabolics to rec drugs. None of the specialists I saw (oncologists, endos, etc) said they thought my cancer was caused by any drug.

I'm a chemist by trade and use to work as an oil/gas chemist and I believe I got cancer working with all the aromatic chemicals. I was the guy making MSDS sheets and working with hazardous chems.

I also want to emphasize that my doctors say that I'm cancer free and that I'm no greater risk for any other cancer than anyone else. I've been using moderate amounts of testosterone post chemotherapy and my blood work comes back great. Actually I've been improving my lung capacity etc since being diagnosed. Probably because I'm taking better care of myself.

I'm 32 years old and still competing so I want to remain on anabolics. I think peptides are probably out of the question for a few years yet but I can still have fun with anabolics. I honestly think that 400-600mg of testosterone per week long term isn't that harmful. In my past I've been on as long as two years straight and my blood work came back perfect even shooting upwards to a gram of testosterone. I'm fairly side effect free when it comes to gear the only thing I've noticed over the past 15 years of gear use is tren raises my blood pressure and winstrol pushes my liver values up.

Today, there is a lot of human trial research studies out there showing higher test 300, 400, etc is not harmful in long term.

Next Aug summer I have my eye on a powerlifting meet and a bodybuilding comp that are fairly close together and I'd like to shoot some gear for that ...

I get cheap testosterone so I'm just tossing the idea around of my own TRT so I can blast/cruise on my own. I do get my blood work done so I can monitor myself.

Thanks again guys tho maybe I'll try out the doc scripted TRT for a year and I can always do my own thing later.

Thanks again bros I appreciate it.

PS Ya Norm its Data from bolex. Is this the Norm that I'm thinking of? Bolex has been dead for a while now. It'll always be home but a lot of the experienced guys have left.

Been on the boards since '95 all the ones that mattered back in the day like renegade, var, etc.

Oh by the way I live in Canada where the drug laws are a bit more liberal. In Canada steroids are a controlled substance. Its still illegal without a script. But possession its not a criminal offence.

 

[tmuscle]

IF you are a family man i would personally opt for the safest route, whichever one that may be


gear takes a backseat to taking care of your family

 

[negaburn9]

the problem with test at 400 - 600mg a week for long periods is the high RBC's. this make you a higher risk for blot clots that can travel to your lungs and kill you, heart attacks and kidney problems related to the thickening of the blood.

I am on self prescribed trt of 150mg a week. my test level previous to starting this was 300, at age 36. never cycled before, just had lots of damage down there from kickboxing, a vasectomy and other risk factors for low t. i make sure to get blood tests every 3- 4 months. this is very affordable and convenient with private md labs.. i work in the medical field and try to safely use aas as much as possible, even during blasts. reasonable trt is prob your best bet.

 

[Userat204]

First of all congradulations on beating cancer, that must have been a hard thing to deal with at your young age or really any age, especially considering you have a family.

Now I'm with you on the amounts of test but, I'm now 35, and from 32-33 I did a stupid experiment of running a gram of test for a full year along with bloodwork. Mine was always perfect, then I started to randomly add deca, dbol, tren, mast, and peptides. Near the end my hematocrit and hemoglobin got very high, and my bp went way up. It was fine just on the test. It took me a long time to get the hemo/hematocrit back to normal, and my bp didn't want to come down either. Yes I think the majority was from the added compounds but now even on 400-500mg test I have to donate blood and either take 10mg of lisinopril or be very careful with diet and cardio which I'm not good at.

My point is, your body has been thru a lot, we change as we age. I have went on HRT, I also have a family and realized my health was most important considering my loved ones. That doesn't mean I stopped but I'm taking what I believe to be the smarter and hopefully safer route.

I say you stop the test, possibly see if you can push the labs back a week or two, let your levels drop off and go with the doc TRT. This way you have a legal reason to have it even with the gray area of your laws. Basically your doc may want labs every 3-4 months up front but that will eventually go to 6 months. You can rub propionate closer to those times and try to get back to normal levels do you don't ruin having a doc monitoring you. I know in Canada you can't just get labs online so from what I hear the doc is pretty much the only option, if I'm wrong and there is another way please enlighten me so I can help some canadian friends.

This doesn't mean you won't be able to cycle, you can run orals like drol, dbol, var, tbol in between and add test prop to bump up to 400-500 mg during your blasts. This way you at least have a doc to monitor you. They may believe you are cancer free but I believe that docs don't completely have cancer figured out and you need to be very careful about bp. I use to think, eh yea I have elevated bp but only when on a cycle but those cycles were 3-5 months long. We really don't know what damage is being done even when the normal labs look ok. I'm now very good about monitoring my bp and controlling my rbc's. I can keep BP normal on average doses of test, npp, dbol or test,tren, var or whatever. I donate as often as allowed and if numbers are getting high I drop some things or lower doses. Keep a journal of your cycles, I don't really keep one for gains, but more for health. So I'll write down my start date, compounds, doses and keep track of each week. I then keep track of bp and hemo/hematocrit as often as I can. At least it helps me kinda figure out how to control everything and what doses/combos elevate any numbers. It does change based on diet and other factors but it helps.

Long story short brother take care of your health and your family first. You are lucky to still be here and I give you props on that. Consider you family, which goes for all of us, and I realize if you want to compete you may need to push things at times but also do what you can to reduce the sides and get regular blood work to make sure you are not putting yourself in a bad place. I don't think AAS contribute to cancer but bp can ruin everything. We are lucky in the states to get online labs and be able to get them I'm the middle of big cycles, I'm not sure that you have that luxury.

But having a script and doc makes things a lot better, then you can do what you need to around that, but there wil come a day where big cycles aren't for you anymore and you will be happy to have that doc and know what you need to stay healthy and in good shape. You are pretty heavy for your height as is. I'm not done with cycles but I'm amazed at how well I can do just on TRT or by adding some var or mast or proviron from time to time. Honestly I'll even just go with test p and tren a at 100mg eod for 8 weeks and do really well, then back to 150-200 a week. Sometimes I run proviron or mast with that but at low doses, 25-50 proviron or 50mg mast p m/w/f.

Once you have built a big house, it's not that hard to maintain it with a lot less AAS, and more thru diet and training, I love to eat and not always the right things but I still look better than you average guy, look big just by having a muscular shape, and don't have as much risk. And irvfeekscgood to be able to move and be somewhat flexible and have the energy to keep up with the kid, well I like to think that anyway.

But again congrats on beating a monster, and keep your health as a top priority, you are still young and have time to accomplish anything you want, I know the feeling of wanting it now, but you will be surprised that TRT can keep you doing well and like I said, maybe add a little extra and save the bigger cycles for when they are really needed. Also don't be like me, I thought I was too good for bp meds, since they had to have been for fat lazy guys, but a friend who lifts, eats well, runs 5-10 miles a day and no drugs had a heart attack, that really opened my eyes and even if I only need the med on cycle or certain doses, I now have no issue getting on it, I actually just get a year round script so it's always there.

Best of luck to you.

 

[musclehead33]

Not taking your health into consideration, do both.

Taking your health into consideration? Go with what the doc suggests.

Lots of guys in the HRT forum do little blasts between blood checks and stuff.

Having the script is always good.

This is very true.only you can make that kind of decision.good luck bro.

 

[norm1220]

PS Ya Norm its Data from bolex. Is this the Norm that I'm thinking of? Bolex has been dead for a while now. It'll always be home but a lot of the experienced guys have left.

Yeah...same Norm, different forum. I know what you mean about Bolex and I think you will enjoy this community more. Lots of serious folks here and the drama is kept to a minimum. Good to see you posting here!

 

[anarchocapitalist]

Appreciate all the help sorting my thoughts out. I was hoping to be competitive this year, still will compete, but I guess I'll be competing against myself this year haha.


Thanks for your time Userat204 I've been cycling since '95. 32 years of age. I still feel like I have another few years in me but for sure I'm not making money at this so there is that. Its just because I enjoy lifting heavy ass weights. I'm thinking, I could probably do a few prop/tren/drol cycles or something between tests once I have a good pattern going.


A while ago I took a year off the sauce to knock up the wifey. When I decided to cycle again I started off slow with 6 week cycles on and often as long as 12 weeks off. I was surprised at how little gear I needed. I was shooting say 100mg of prop EOD with something else EOD (alternating gear) and within a few of these cycles I hit PRs benching 405lbs for a single.

Norm. LOL @ drama. Ya I've been reading around here the past few days a lot of cool bros here I hope to learn a ton.