Is masteron a waste at 12 to 13% bodyfat

[Skins]

Ive only read the first page before replying:

...is it just me, or does this whole post need to be moved to the Beginners Forum?

to the OP: Why not just diet diet down %2 or more till youre at %9-10, then find out If the Masteron is worth it? However, like everyone has mentioned on page one, more information is needed:

- how many mgs per week
- what is your diet goal
- what are you using with it
- why Masteron and not Tren, Deca, EQ, NPP, Primo
- how long have you been doing AAS

 

[TheRealAphextwin]

No way. I used to love Mast.

 

[johnjuanb1]

Masteron isn’t a waste. Besides helping you look incredible, it lowers estrogen just enough to help with estrogen sides. My erections were very weak, half hard, for 6 months. I haven’t had blood work in a year so no idea where my estrogen is. I added 50mg masteron enanthate approximately 3 times a week and BOOM, straight up flag pole every time I wake up to pee throughout the night, which is 4 to 5 times a night. Yes, I know, my prostate is upset with me. My PSA was perfect on blood work a year ago and this need to get up and pee throughout the night has been there for a decade. As they say, getting old isn’t for the pussies.

 

[Bobik]

Yup, I do slin pin sub Q. Sometimes I'll do it in the muscle if my stomach needs a break from being pinned. That's the same way I do my daily TRT regimen as well (which is 20mg test per day).

What does your H / H say to MENT? I'm still fighting the HTC 60.

 

[nothuman]

What does your H / H say to MENT? I'm still fighting the HTC 60.

It can raise it but not any more than testosterone. My H/H seems to be the same whether I'm using the low dose on top of my TRT or not.

 

[TheRoid]

Masteron isn’t a waste. Besides helping you look incredible, it lowers estrogen just enough to help with estrogen sides. My erections were very weak, half hard, for 6 months. I haven’t had blood work in a year so no idea where my estrogen is. I added 50mg masteron enanthate approximately 3 times a week and BOOM, straight up flag pole every time I wake up to pee throughout the night, which is 4 to 5 times a night. Yes, I know, my prostate is upset with me. My PSA was perfect on blood work a year ago and this need to get up and pee throughout the night has been there for a decade. As they say, getting old isn’t for the pussies.

150mg Mast E a week alongside what else?

 

[johnjuanb1]

150mg Mast E a week alongside what else?

I’m currently on 350mg test prop, 275mg NPP, 150mg masteron enanthate, 1iu mauve tops HGH 2-3 times a day. All AAS shots are taken daily with a slin pin in divided doses.

 

[b-boy]

I’m currently on 350mg test prop, 275mg NPP, 150mg masteron enanthate, 1iu mauve tops HGH 2-3 times a day. All AAS shots are taken daily with a slin pin in divided doses.

@johnjuanb1 how long do you run this cycle? What is your cruise or TRT dose?

 

[Rumpwrangler]

My face is the very first place I either gain or lose weight. Never fails. A week of eating like shit and I look like Rosie O’Donnell. Meal plan hard and do cardio for a week and I look like I’ve been stuck on a deserted island talking to a volleyball for a year.

Even while in the teens body fat wise I notice Mast will pull some water from my face and make it more defined.

Yep, my face stays a little puffy if not on mast. Probably my crappy diet but still. I prefer the statuesque look. Especially in the face. Mast is a top 3 compound for me. Just does me right with no problems in blood work

 

[johnjuanb1]

@johnjuanb1 how long do you run this cycle? What is your cruise or TRT dose?

In all honesty I never have a plan. I wake up and decide if I want to take a shot or not, and usually stick to the same basic shots because fast acting test with fast acting nandrolone feel healthiest in my body. I’ll do preworkout tbol a few days a week for a few months then stop orals for a few months. Tbol is the only oral that doesn’t affect my blood pressure or create other noticeable negative side effects. I feel generally healthy on it.
I don’t blast and cruise. My favorite weekly dose is around 700-900mg on the injects for growing, but when I begin feeling toxic and run down I’ll drop down to around 350-400mg with a 2:1 ratio of test to nandrolone.
I don’t advice anyone to do what I do. It’s not smart. Everyone should get regular blood work and cruise 2/3 of the year on 100-200mg test only.
I’m addicted to the vanity of being having very low body fat with high vascularity. If my strength drops it affects my happiness. Dropping the preworkout tbol a couple weeks ago was mentally difficult for the first week due to the reduced strength and pump but I added 1iu provider mauve tops; 2ius on non lifting days and 3ius on lifting days, and OMG, talk about muscle fullness and vascularity. It has taken an extremely strict diet and added cardio to keep my blood pressure in check, but I’m loving what this HGH does to me.
The last time I got blood work was about a year ago because I felt toxic and wiped out all the time for a very long time. My doctor said my kidneys were fine, liver fine, heart sounded good, hemoglobin has high but he said it wasn’t high enough to give me a stroke or kill me. I asked about donating blood and he said I could but it really wasn’t necessary. This is a very conservative doctor who is really against TRT and prescribing any drugs other than blood pressure drugs which he said I should have even though my bp at his office was only 130/80 which is perfect for me. I said no way on the bp meds because doctors have given me a dozen types over the years and none of them helped my bp. Plus, one led to chronic muscle tears over the decade I was on it. DO NOT USE CLONIDINE HCL. It’s the muscle tear pill.
I’m 53 years old now. I never planned on living past 40. So many of my bodybuilding friends much younger than I have died. My belief is God knows I haven’t lived up to my potential and there is more for me to do here before I can go home. That, and genetics. My grandma is 98 and sharp as a whip. Both parents are in their 80’s. With all the abuse I’ve done to my body maybe I’ll make it another decade of I’m lucky. I guess we’ll see.
Drugs I can no longer safely use:
- dbol: bp goes through the roof
- Anadrol: I feel toxic within weeks
- EQ: had my hemoglobin up to 25
- Winstrol: instant muscle tears
- Anavar: bad cramping
- tren: messed with it recently and had a few episodes of psychotic rage. Definitely scared me.
- MK-677: bp goes through the roof

 

[heavyhitter]

In all honesty I never have a plan. I wake up and decide if I want to take a shot or not, and usually stick to the same basic shots because fast acting test with fast acting nandrolone feel healthiest in my body. I’ll do preworkout tbol a few days a week for a few months then stop orals for a few months. Tbol is the only oral that doesn’t affect my blood pressure or create other noticeable negative side effects. I feel generally healthy on it.
I don’t blast and cruise. My favorite weekly dose is around 700-900mg on the injects for growing, but when I begin feeling toxic and run down I’ll drop down to around 350-400mg with a 2:1 ratio of test to nandrolone.
I don’t advice anyone to do what I do. It’s not smart. Everyone should get regular blood work and cruise 2/3 of the year on 100-200mg test only.
I’m addicted to the vanity of being having very low body fat with high vascularity. If my strength drops it affects my happiness. Dropping the preworkout tbol a couple weeks ago was mentally difficult for the first week due to the reduced strength and pump but I added 1iu provider mauve tops; 2ius on non lifting days and 3ius on lifting days, and OMG, talk about muscle fullness and vascularity. It has taken an extremely strict diet and added cardio to keep my blood pressure in check, but I’m loving what this HGH does to me.
The last time I got blood work was about a year ago because I felt toxic and wiped out all the time for a very long time. My doctor said my kidneys were fine, liver fine, heart sounded good, hemoglobin has high but he said it wasn’t high enough to give me a stroke or kill me. I asked about donating blood and he said I could but it really wasn’t necessary. This is a very conservative doctor who is really against TRT and prescribing any drugs other than blood pressure drugs which he said I should have even though my bp at his office was only 130/80 which is perfect for me. I said no way on the bp meds because doctors have given me a dozen types over the years and none of them helped my bp. Plus, one led to chronic muscle tears over the decade I was on it. DO NOT USE CLONIDINE HCL. It’s the muscle tear pill.
I’m 53 years old now. I never planned on living past 40. So many of my bodybuilding friends much younger than I have died. My belief is God knows I haven’t lived up to my potential and there is more for me to do here before I can go home. That, and genetics. My grandma is 98 and sharp as a whip. Both parents are in their 80’s. With all the abuse I’ve done to my body maybe I’ll make it another decade of I’m lucky. I guess we’ll see.
Drugs I can no longer safely use:
- dbol: bp goes through the roof
- Anadrol: I feel toxic within weeks
- EQ: had my hemoglobin up to 25
- Winstrol: instant muscle tears
- Anavar: bad cramping
- tren: messed with it recently and had a few episodes of psychotic rage. Definitely scared me.
- MK-677: bp goes through the roof

I feel you on the limited drugs you can use. All orals wreak havoc in my stomach and they’re hard on my blood pressure too. I haven’t used any in years. Tren makes me feel awful. Absolutely no appetite, terrible acid reflux, and all this makes me very lethargic and run down. Mk makes it impossible for me to do anything but think about sleeping. Essentially all I use anymore is test, eq, nandralone, and mast. Currently running 3 iu blue tops on non training days and 4 on training days. Absolutely loving it. Put on 6 pounds in a week. It was all water for sure….but good water. My joints feel tight and secure, and I’m as full as a house. Stretching shirt sleeves that were a little loose a couple weeks ago. Sleeping better too. It’s been a few years since I had a legit run of gh and I forgot how nice it was. Pretty sleepy the last few days but that usually goes away for me right about when the carpal tunnel kicks in, lol. I use a little novolin r here and there too. But other than those I don’t use anything else. The only thing I miss is a little bit of tren. It makes it so easy to stay lean and gives a great look. But it isn’t worth the sides to me. Even at 75-100 mgs a week

 

[LK3]

In all honesty I never have a plan. I wake up and decide if I want to take a shot or not, and usually stick to the same basic shots because fast acting test with fast acting nandrolone feel healthiest in my body. I’ll do preworkout tbol a few days a week for a few months then stop orals for a few months. Tbol is the only oral that doesn’t affect my blood pressure or create other noticeable negative side effects. I feel generally healthy on it.
I don’t blast and cruise. My favorite weekly dose is around 700-900mg on the injects for growing, but when I begin feeling toxic and run down I’ll drop down to around 350-400mg with a 2:1 ratio of test to nandrolone.
I don’t advice anyone to do what I do. It’s not smart. Everyone should get regular blood work and cruise 2/3 of the year on 100-200mg test only.
I’m addicted to the vanity of being having very low body fat with high vascularity. If my strength drops it affects my happiness. Dropping the preworkout tbol a couple weeks ago was mentally difficult for the first week due to the reduced strength and pump but I added 1iu provider mauve tops; 2ius on non lifting days and 3ius on lifting days, and OMG, talk about muscle fullness and vascularity. It has taken an extremely strict diet and added cardio to keep my blood pressure in check, but I’m loving what this HGH does to me.
The last time I got blood work was about a year ago because I felt toxic and wiped out all the time for a very long time. My doctor said my kidneys were fine, liver fine, heart sounded good, hemoglobin has high but he said it wasn’t high enough to give me a stroke or kill me. I asked about donating blood and he said I could but it really wasn’t necessary. This is a very conservative doctor who is really against TRT and prescribing any drugs other than blood pressure drugs which he said I should have even though my bp at his office was only 130/80 which is perfect for me. I said no way on the bp meds because doctors have given me a dozen types over the years and none of them helped my bp. Plus, one led to chronic muscle tears over the decade I was on it. DO NOT USE CLONIDINE HCL. It’s the muscle tear pill.
I’m 53 years old now. I never planned on living past 40. So many of my bodybuilding friends much younger than I have died. My belief is God knows I haven’t lived up to my potential and there is more for me to do here before I can go home. That, and genetics. My grandma is 98 and sharp as a whip. Both parents are in their 80’s. With all the abuse I’ve done to my body maybe I’ll make it another decade of I’m lucky. I guess we’ll see.
Drugs I can no longer safely use:
- dbol: bp goes through the roof
- Anadrol: I feel toxic within weeks
- EQ: had my hemoglobin up to 25
- Winstrol: instant muscle tears
- Anavar: bad cramping
- tren: messed with it recently and had a few episodes of psychotic rage. Definitely scared me.
- MK-677: bp goes through the roof

for bp look into potassium citrate. its a sup. can help bp and help pre wo as blood buffer, idk if you will see that but, its a legit compound with minimal bad things associated.

i know you stay with cialis wich is good too. baby asprin daily and if you can find a form of curcumin that you can tell "works" id also make it a regular thing.

all very reasonable, affordable and generally possative effects.
good luck bro

 

[Dp]

In all honesty I never have a plan. I wake up and decide if I want to take a shot or not, and usually stick to the same basic shots because fast acting test with fast acting nandrolone feel healthiest in my body. I’ll do preworkout tbol a few days a week for a few months then stop orals for a few months. Tbol is the only oral that doesn’t affect my blood pressure or create other noticeable negative side effects. I feel generally healthy on it.
I don’t blast and cruise. My favorite weekly dose is around 700-900mg on the injects for growing, but when I begin feeling toxic and run down I’ll drop down to around 350-400mg with a 2:1 ratio of test to nandrolone.
I don’t advice anyone to do what I do. It’s not smart. Everyone should get regular blood work and cruise 2/3 of the year on 100-200mg test only.
I’m addicted to the vanity of being having very low body fat with high vascularity. If my strength drops it affects my happiness. Dropping the preworkout tbol a couple weeks ago was mentally difficult for the first week due to the reduced strength and pump but I added 1iu provider mauve tops; 2ius on non lifting days and 3ius on lifting days, and OMG, talk about muscle fullness and vascularity. It has taken an extremely strict diet and added cardio to keep my blood pressure in check, but I’m loving what this HGH does to me.
The last time I got blood work was about a year ago because I felt toxic and wiped out all the time for a very long time. My doctor said my kidneys were fine, liver fine, heart sounded good, hemoglobin has high but he said it wasn’t high enough to give me a stroke or kill me. I asked about donating blood and he said I could but it really wasn’t necessary. This is a very conservative doctor who is really against TRT and prescribing any drugs other than blood pressure drugs which he said I should have even though my bp at his office was only 130/80 which is perfect for me. I said no way on the bp meds because doctors have given me a dozen types over the years and none of them helped my bp. Plus, one led to chronic muscle tears over the decade I was on it. DO NOT USE CLONIDINE HCL. It’s the muscle tear pill.
I’m 53 years old now. I never planned on living past 40. So many of my bodybuilding friends much younger than I have died. My belief is God knows I haven’t lived up to my potential and there is more for me to do here before I can go home. That, and genetics. My grandma is 98 and sharp as a whip. Both parents are in their 80’s. With all the abuse I’ve done to my body maybe I’ll make it another decade of I’m lucky. I guess we’ll see.
Drugs I can no longer safely use:
- dbol: bp goes through the roof
- Anadrol: I feel toxic within weeks
- EQ: had my hemoglobin up to 25
- Winstrol: instant muscle tears
- Anavar: bad cramping
- tren: messed with it recently and had a few episodes of psychotic rage. Definitely scared me.
- MK-677: bp goes through the roof

i use lisinopril 20mg for a while now for BP so far so good but again tats just my personal experience

 

[qbkilla]

In all honesty I never have a plan. I wake up and decide if I want to take a shot or not, and usually stick to the same basic shots because fast acting test with fast acting nandrolone feel healthiest in my body. I’ll do preworkout tbol a few days a week for a few months then stop orals for a few months. Tbol is the only oral that doesn’t affect my blood pressure or create other noticeable negative side effects. I feel generally healthy on it.
I don’t blast and cruise. My favorite weekly dose is around 700-900mg on the injects for growing, but when I begin feeling toxic and run down I’ll drop down to around 350-400mg with a 2:1 ratio of test to nandrolone.
I don’t advice anyone to do what I do. It’s not smart. Everyone should get regular blood work and cruise 2/3 of the year on 100-200mg test only.
I’m addicted to the vanity of being having very low body fat with high vascularity. If my strength drops it affects my happiness. Dropping the preworkout tbol a couple weeks ago was mentally difficult for the first week due to the reduced strength and pump but I added 1iu provider mauve tops; 2ius on non lifting days and 3ius on lifting days, and OMG, talk about muscle fullness and vascularity. It has taken an extremely strict diet and added cardio to keep my blood pressure in check, but I’m loving what this HGH does to me.
The last time I got blood work was about a year ago because I felt toxic and wiped out all the time for a very long time. My doctor said my kidneys were fine, liver fine, heart sounded good, hemoglobin has high but he said it wasn’t high enough to give me a stroke or kill me. I asked about donating blood and he said I could but it really wasn’t necessary. This is a very conservative doctor who is really against TRT and prescribing any drugs other than blood pressure drugs which he said I should have even though my bp at his office was only 130/80 which is perfect for me. I said no way on the bp meds because doctors have given me a dozen types over the years and none of them helped my bp. Plus, one led to chronic muscle tears over the decade I was on it. DO NOT USE CLONIDINE HCL. It’s the muscle tear pill.
I’m 53 years old now. I never planned on living past 40. So many of my bodybuilding friends much younger than I have died. My belief is God knows I haven’t lived up to my potential and there is more for me to do here before I can go home. That, and genetics. My grandma is 98 and sharp as a whip. Both parents are in their 80’s. With all the abuse I’ve done to my body maybe I’ll make it another decade of I’m lucky. I guess we’ll see.
Drugs I can no longer safely use:
- dbol: bp goes through the roof
- Anadrol: I feel toxic within weeks
- EQ: had my hemoglobin up to 25
- Winstrol: instant muscle tears
- Anavar: bad cramping
- tren: messed with it recently and had a few episodes of psychotic rage. Definitely scared me.
- MK-677: bp goes through the roof

Props on keeping BP in check without needing meds on your dosage, what is your body weight? Do you feel the cardio has helped greatly and how much do you do?

I saw an article the other day stating what we know (high BMI is associated with mortality) but it also stated that high cardiorespiratory fitness is associated with longevity.

 

[johnjuanb1]

Props on keeping BP in check without needing meds on your dosage, what is your body weight? Do you feel the cardio has helped greatly and how much do you do?

I saw an article the other day stating what we know (high BMI is associated with mortality) but it also stated that high cardiorespiratory fitness is associated with longevity.

I just did an hour and 5 minutes of fasted cardio. It was fun because I walk hills and there were a dozen rams walking with me. I have to do cardio while on HGH otherwise my blood pressure goes too high even on a perfect diet. My bp still is 150/100. Cialis drops it 10 points top and bottom, 140/90. I’ve been taking 10mg Cialis 3 times a day. It only keeps my bp down for a couple hours per use. Fasted cardio with an iu of HGH is incredible! Body fat looks better by the day. I’m wiped out now. I’ll do biceps, triceps, and delts in a few hours.
My diet is 3 syntha-6 EDGE shakes with oats(I only take about a scoop and a half of the protein), one meal of 1/2Lb turkey or chicken breast, steamed rice and veggies, and one meal of 10 egg whites and a bowl of mixed fruit. I take several fish oil caps, and a vitamin/mineral pill with veggie and fruit powder. I drink one emergenC packet per day.

 

[johnjuanb1]

for bp look into potassium citrate. its a sup. can help bp and help pre wo as blood buffer, idk if you will see that but, its a legit compound with minimal bad things associated.

i know you stay with cialis wich is good too. baby asprin daily and if you can find a form of curcumin that you can tell "works" id also make it a regular thing.

all very reasonable, affordable and generally possative effects.
good luck bro

Thank you, Brotha! I’ll research those.

 

[johnjuanb1]

i use lisinopril 20mg for a while now for BP so far so good but again tats just my personal experience

Lisinopril didn’t work for me even at high doses. Telmisartin did nothing. Nebivolol helped moderately but not consistently. HCTZ and diazide made me too injury prone. Clonidine is muscle poison. Amlodipine worked many years ago but nothing now. Captopril did nothing. There were several others that didn’t work but I can’t remember the names.

 

[Ranchhand]

I’ve been taking 10mg Cialis 3 times a day. It only keeps my bp down for a couple hours per use.

Interesting observation about Cialis JJ

 

[Ranchhand]

The only thing I miss is a little bit of tren. It makes it so easy to stay lean and gives a great look. But it isn’t worth the sides to me. Even at 75-100 mgs a week

This is where I'm at with Tren as well. I think I'm ready to give it up all together. Love it, but the sides have over taken the benefits of Tren, even at 80mg/wk I notice the well-known standard sides of Tren. For me it's my sleep and the Tren cough I constantly get now while using it, I'll have Tren cough 24/7 now when that used to not be the case. The sides are definitely more apparent as I've aged, 52 now. Just not worth it anymore.

 

[johnjuanb1]

This is where I'm at with Tren as well. I think I'm ready to give it up all together. Love it, but the sides have over taken the benefits of Tren, even at 80mg/wk I notice the well-known standard sides of Tren. For me it's my sleep and the Tren cough I constantly get now while using it, I'll have Tren cough 24/7 now when that used to not be the case. The sides are definitely more apparent as I've aged, 52 now. Just not worth it anymore.

Omg! The cough I get after the shot for 10 minutes sucks! If you get it 24/7 that’s torture.