Is the human body more resilient than we think?

[comedycentral]

My in-laws are in the late 70s. They have been on prescription meds for at least 20 years. Codeine tramadol various diabetes and BP meds. They take zero exercise. If they get 500 steps a day I’d be amazed. There diet is ok. Father in law is at least 60lbs overweight and easily classed as obese. Yet with all this they still seem to be ticking along. When I look at them it makes me think how can 3-600mg of test do anything like the amount of damage yet everyone seems to think that once your over 40 your heart is going to explode on 250mg a week long term. just wondering what peoples thoughts are

 

[M@NU]

300-600mg test wont kill you..even if you stay on it forever.
the body is resilient. just think about how we went through evolution.
but this resilience has a limit

 

[pesty4077]

I am willing to bet they ate a lot better when they were young then this current generation. Hence a high Obesity rate nowadays. They also worked harder and did more physical activities then this current generation when they were younger.

 

[hampros2]

ppl lie and shame others about dosages its all about their own personal insecurity

 

[specter]

Genetics.. its really the big factor.. Had i friend in Canada died at 26 from heart issues, his main arterries was clogged, he had a genetic fault that made him deposit alot more plack in his vaines etc and he had 0 idea he had this, but steroids was basicly one of the worst things he could do for his health..

 

[aHarness]

My in-laws are in the late 70s. They have been on prescription meds for at least 20 years. Codeine tramadol various diabetes and BP meds. They take zero exercise. If they get 500 steps a day I’d be amazed. There diet is ok. Father in law is at least 60lbs overweight and easily classed as obese. Yet with all this they still seem to be ticking along. When I look at them it makes me think how can 3-600mg of test do anything like the amount of damage yet everyone seems to think that once your over 40 your heart is going to explode on 250mg a week long term. just wondering what peoples thoughts are

Some people’s are, some people’s aren’t.

Just do what you can to mitigate the risk of what we do.

 

[ryan.veneficus]

I also think genetics is a huge factor. One of my grandparents survived multiple strokes without noticable damage and lived into their 80s. Right near the end they lost their memory and shut down pretty fast.
And then a grandparent on the other side died in his late 60s from heart failure even though he didn't smoke, rarely drank and was active all his life up to the end.
One side of my family lives long regardless of lifestyle habits, and the other is lucky to make it to their 70s.

 

[Shelby]

So it sounds like all their medications are doing their job, lol. Kudos pharmacy. How is their quality of life? (not insinuating it's poor, just seriously asking).
And as others mentioned, you could easily also make a post called "is the human body less resilient than we think?" and list all the people that died young despite living healthy lifestyles, no AAs, etc.

 

[comedycentral]

So it sounds like all their medications are doing their job, lol. Kudos pharmacy. How is their quality of life? (not insinuating it's poor, just seriously asking).
And as others mentioned, you could easily also make a post called "is the human body less resilient than we think?" and list all the people that died young despite living healthy lifestyles, no AAs, etc.

Well their quality of life I’d say is average. Arthritis etc. In terms of the medication though they have always just gone along with what the doctor has told them. They’ve never tried an alternative diet or exercise or yoga etc they have just bought in 100% that they need pain meds and then BP meds then other meds to counter something else and as I’ve said this must be 20 plus years of being on daily multiple Rx medication. Would assume they are constantly dehydrated as they don’t really drink water alone it will be coffee tea juice etc but kidney liver etc all still working away. I have no idea if they have decent numbers for these but you’d think based on the AAS horror stories then regular meds would be as bad in high amounts.

 

[comedycentral]

I am willing to bet they ate a lot better when they were young then this current generation. Hence a high Obesity rate nowadays. They also worked harder and did more physical activities then this current generation when they were younger.

I would say they only ate well until early 80s and then here in the UK the lower fat processed meal was the norm and they have pretty much been on that since. Microwave meals frozen food etc and they were never active in terms of employment (worked education) or did any sport

 

[richiec]

My grandparents on my mother's side passed away when she was early 20's, about 8-10 years before I was born. Active, ate good, hard working people.
My grandparents on my father's side, grandfather lived to 72 and passed from a heart attack. Had a quadruple bypass 14 years earlier (early 80s). Grandmother lived to 91

Wife's grandparents.....all over the place

Genetics

 

[d4ve]

So it sounds like all their medications are doing their job, lol. Kudos pharmacy. How is their quality of life? (not insinuating it's poor, just seriously asking).
And as others mentioned, you could easily also make a post called "is the human body less resilient than we think?" and list all the people that died young despite living healthy lifestyles, no AAs, etc.

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They're taking drugs to counteract poor lifestyle choices. We (PED users) are taking drugs which we know will have a net negative effect on our health...which is why most of us also take other meds and / or supplements, eat squeaky clean, and do extra cardio to negate the negative effects of the drugs, not to mention the effects of purposefully high body weights. We're almost comparing opposite scenarios here.

And while our weird little population has exceptionally high risk tolerance, I think most of us also have high expectations for quality of life and sense of well-being. I suppose we could call people "resilient" for remaining alive after decades of poor habits, but how does their QOL compare to that of a person who eats well, sleeps well, exercises, and doesn't take or need drugs? Yes, there are outliers who can smoke a pack a day or eat and drink themselves into oblivion and feel fine - I'm thinking about averages.

All that rambling aside, I do think the human body is more resilient than many people give it credit for, but I'd hate for that assumption to be the reason why someone throws caution to the wind and ups the dose - which is where this line of "reasoning" often seems to go, lol.

 

[pesty4077]

I would say they only ate well until early 80s and then here in the UK the lower fat processed meal was the norm and they have pretty much been on that since. Microwave meals frozen food etc and they were never active in terms of employment (worked education) or did any sport

They didn't need to do any sport. They were more active then this generation. They didn't have internet and cell phones back then. Think about that. They had to physically do lots of things to get information or be more socially active. That requires more physical activity then lots of kids are doing now with their faces buried in their phones. That required getting off your ass a lot.

It seems however their poor choices over the years caught up to them on that many drugs. You think that is a good quality of life? Asked Emeric how his quality of life is. Grant it, he is only 72. I can tell you my quality of life is excellent for a guy approaching 65. Living is not just being alive. Quality of life matters.

 

[Mufasa123]

I view it as everyone's genetics and tolerances/responses to good and bad actions differ. This results in a personal distribution curve of outcomes.

750mg of test lifetime is not the worst thing by any stretch but likely not helping - maybe some people do fine, others are more effected but each person's curve moves and bit.

Some smoke and get lung cancer at 60. Another lives to be 100 but smoking wasn't a positive for either.

As mentioned above I'm also about the quality and enjoyment of life. Diet, exercise and I'll use a modicum of drugs to enhance my capabilities and response to the stimuli (which I enjoy just for themselves anyway). I like to use bloods and data to see as much as I can the tradeoffs I make and effects on my health. One of the main reasons I came to this board. Lots of other experienced an like minded individuals and I value their knowledge and apply in my own pursuit (try to contribute too).

 

[thethinker48]

This is such a complex and nuanced topic that you won't be able to standardize your answer to this question.

Genetics will load the gun when it comes to what the affects of your lifestyle choices will be (whether it's an unhealthy life ie. obesity or unhealthy long term choices ie. high or even moderate PED use).

Some people are born with an empty chamber, they can tolerate decades of tobacco use, drinking, bad eating, and lack of exercise. Some are born with a fifty caliber bullet loaded into the chamber. They are bound to get heart disease, and have other co-morbidities like hypertension, add PED use to that and you will be the unlucky statistic.