Is there evidence or first hand experience that Dianabol increase GH secretion and collagen synthesis?

[Anabolic_Beast]

Who here feels Dianabol helps with joints, collagen synthesis and GH release? I am doing a research on Dianabol and how it effects/enhances GH release and it's potential as a collagen booster/joint aid. I came across these scientific studies that show it may very well do these things:

The Effect of Methandrostenolone on Pituitary Growth Hormone Secretion | Request PDF

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and to quote from the above:
"Methandrostenolone treatment caused an increase in the GH response in Group 1. The only change in the second group was a rise in starvation GH levels. "Our study is suggestive that the synthetic anabolic steroids, similar to testosterone, stimulate GH secretion."

and another scientific study (which unfortunately I could not gain 100% full access to but shows another promising result of GH release from Dianabol:

Role of Growth Hormone in the Anabolic Action of Methandrostenolone

Abstract. The effects of methandrostenolone (M) and testosterone propionate (TP) were studied in hypophysectomized rats with or without supplementary treatment

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so I did some more digging in and found on a different doing a google search from an old thread regarding another guy trying to find that since Equipoise increases collagen synthesis and helps the joints..since it is so structurally similar to Dianabol..if he could just take Dianabol instead for joint effects. And he did receive a reply that seemed to hit the nail in the head But since I don't think I can directly link that I will put in the quote here regarding the answer he got if Dianabol increase collagen synthesis and GH secretion:

"Dianabol , actually, should be very good for your joints. As with many other 17aa steroids , Dbol is also a very weak binder to the Androgen Receptor, so most of its effects are thought to be non-receptor mediated, and are attributable to other mechanisms (protein synthesis, GH secretion etc…). In fact it would seem that all of it’s anabolic effect may be from GH secretion following administration! This is because when Dbol was administered to rats whose pituitary glands had been removed, it actually demonstrated zero anabolic effects*. Therefore, GH secretion must be the largest mitigating factor in its anabolic activity. Also lending more support to that theory, it only has a modest aromatase activity, yet you retain alot of water on Dbol, so it’s clearly not estrogen that causes water gain on Dbol, but rather GH. And GH has been proven to be very beneficial for joint repair."



*Steinetz BG, Giannina T, Butler M, Popick FEndocrinology 1972 May;90(5):1396-8

So what's the verdict with you guys? Who here can verify through first hand experience about any of this?

 

[Love_to_Bodybuild]

I didn't understand the study

did it say they have two research groups

a. one not administered growth hormone

b. one administered

?


regardless if it is true, thats pretty awesome

 

[Kaladryn]

Increasing collagen synthesis is generally bad for tendons, which is where joint pain for weightlifters usually starts. Healthy tendons are type I collagen, when you increase collagen synthesis, you repair tendons with type III collagen. Type III is less elastic and prone to tendonitis. Tendonitis leads to further tendon repair and more type III fibers, this is tendinosis.