Is Tren harder on the kidneys than other injectable steroids?

[specter]

I think I saw Jano say that in all his years of testing ugl finished and raws, never once has he found a single instance of heavy metals.

Bill Lwelleyn found othervise, he wrote a UGL book and included several tests of products where he looked for all kinds of contaminents and dang bro there is alot more then heavy metals in some of that shit, plastics, poison and all kinds of shit.

 

[TheRoid]

Bill Lwelleyn found othervise, he wrote a UGL book and included several tests of products where he looked for all kinds of contaminents and dang bro there is alot more then heavy metals in some of that shit, plastics, poison and all kinds of shit.

As hard as this is to believe, there have been instances where they even put steroids in the vials.

 

[Mufasa123]

Bill Lwelleyn found othervise, he wrote a UGL book and included several tests of products where he looked for all kinds of contaminents and dang bro there is alot more then heavy metals in some of that shit, plastics, poison and all kinds of shit.

Given number of tests done over years and using mass spec...nothing against Bill, but Jano's data would seem infinitely more robust and vast. If it was an issue, he'd be seeing it in at least some percentage. Now granted, some selection bias as paying for mass spec and testing would correlate to quality labs and consumers with money who care so I'd just say... avoid shit show unproven stuff...but would seem to be largely hyperbole in the scheme of things and that's just what the data says. If Jano was seeing it, it would be in his interest to promote as he'd sell more testing.

 

[headtrainer]

Bill Lwelleyn found othervise, he wrote a UGL book and included several tests of products where he looked for all kinds of contaminents and dang bro there is alot more then heavy metals in some of that shit, plastics, poison and all kinds of shit.

You’re right! I have that book. Some UGL’s did not contain any contaminates, while others did.

 

[marssel]

This must be the reasons why a person's urine may turn rust-colored, including: 1. Dehydration: When a person does not drink enough water, their urine becomes more concentrated, which can cause it to appear darker and more orange. 2. Medications: Certain medications, such as rifampin and phenazopyridine, can cause urine to turn reddish-brown or orange. 3. Liver problems: Liver damage or disease can cause bilirubin, a yellowish-brown pigment, to build up in the blood and make its way into the urine, turning it a rust color. 4. Blood in urine: If there is blood in a person's urine, it can make it appear rust-colored.

Thanks!

Eating a lot of beta carotene will do it too

 

[headtrainer]

I discussed this topic with my endocrinologist yesterday. He prescribes me 200 mgs of test cypionate weekly. I asked him if he believed 200 mgs of test could cause kidney damage over the long term due to it being an “androgen.” He said, “it’s highly unlikely.” I asked him if he believed 600 mgs of test taken weekly would cause kidney disease over the long term. He said, “nothing is set in stone, but I highly doubt it because if 600 mgs would harm your kidneys, then 200 mgs would probably do the same.” He went on to explain high blood pressure and diabetes are the primary causes of CKD (chronic kidney disease). He also said having a history of forming a lot of kidney stones or taking a lot of NSAID’s can scar the filters in the kidneys—leading to kidney disease. I asked him about Tren and he said you can’t compare Tren to test because the body doesn’t make Tren naturally like it does test. He said there’s a lot of things they believe that can harm the kidneys but has never really been proven ( e.g., Tudca, magnesium, iron, and protein).

 

[Ranchhand]

I discussed this topic with my endocrinologist yesterday. He prescribes me 200 mgs of test cypionate weekly. I asked him if he believed 200 mgs of test could cause kidney damage over the long term due to it being an “androgen.” He said, “it’s highly unlikely.” I asked him if he believed 600 mgs of test taken weekly would cause kidney disease over the long term. He said, “nothing is set in stone, but I highly doubt it because if 600 mgs would harm your kidneys, then 200 mgs would probably do the same.” He went on to explain high blood pressure and diabetes are the primary causes of CKD (chronic kidney disease). He also said having a history of forming a lot of kidney stones or taking a lot of NSAID’s can scar the filters in the kidneys—leading to kidney disease. I asked him about Tren and he said you can’t compare Tren to test because the body doesn’t make Tren naturally like it does test. He said there’s a lot of things they believe that can harm the kidneys but has never really been proven ( e.g., Tudca, magnesium, iron, and protein).

Informative post @headtrainer, the most interesting thing in your post is the doc grouping Tudca in as something that could potentially harm the kidneys but has never been proven. Lots of food for thought in this post

 

[Heath82]

Given number of tests done over years and using mass spec...nothing against Bill, but Jano's data would seem infinitely more robust and vast. If it was an issue, he'd be seeing it in at least some percentage. Now granted, some selection bias as paying for mass spec and testing would correlate to quality labs and consumers with money who care so I'd just say... avoid shit show unproven stuff...but would seem to be largely hyperbole in the scheme of things and that's just what the data says. If Jano was seeing it, it would be in his interest to promote as he'd sell more testing.

The timeframe between bill and jano is too big of a gap. We’re there at one point? Possibly. Are the labs better now and better quality? Possibly also

 

[mexbeast]

Are heavy metals in liquid form like mercury? Or solid? If solid would they go through the whatman filters?

 

[Soalian]

The androgens themselves. Period. Argumentum ad nauseam.
High BP of course makes the whole issue even worse.

still Boldenone and the kidney issue has been brought up a lot on this forum dues to some conclusions from a couple of recent studies.

Boldenone isn't known to be particularly androgenic as a compound.

Might have to do with higher propensity to raise BP during cycle, and blood viscosity, alongside with higher RBC and hematocrit values.

 

[whacked]

He said there’s a lot of things they believe that can harm the kidneys but has never really been proven ( e.g., Tudca, magnesium, iron, and protein).

Interesting. I had no idea TUDCA was theorized to be nephrotoxic?

I would have guessed the opposite.