Is tren really necessary on a cut ?

[GrowthKing1]

What are your opinions on tren on a cut ? Is it absolutely a must? Or can you get away without it ?

 

[Inkniron87]

Nobody is going to say it’s necessary. It’s all choice. Most would advise only to use it if competing and even if then. Nothing is absolutely necessary besides nutrition.

 

[Fleezy]

Not necessary

 

[AllOkJumpmaster]

My guy, and I mean this as respectfully as possible, nothing is necessary on a cut except a deficit. You can get inside out peeled by just manipulating your intake, and expenditure.

 

[AllOkJumpmaster]

wrong thread repost

 

[hawkmoon]

Absolutely not required.
I over-used it on my return to stage and it made me look worse, not better.

 

[NaDa]

Absolutely not required.
I over-used it on my return to stage and it made me look worse, not better.

Can you elaborate please

 

[hawkmoon]

Can you elaborate please

Made me look flat and stringy.

 

[GrowthKing1]

Absolutely not required.
I over-used it on my return to stage and it made me look worse, not better.

What would you replace the tren with ?

 

[hawkmoon]

What would you replace the tren with ?

I don't see it needing to be replaced. Certainly not on a "cut".

In contest prep is used properly it provides a certain look.
It's unique property is holding catabolism at bay and helping to partition nutrients - both very useful when already very low and lean - not before.

 

[Theone233]

I wouldn’t even touch tren on a cut these days. If I was competing and only doing a local npc show, i still wouldn’t use it. Run some test, eq, mast and throw some oral winny in the last 6 weeks. Run good GH at 4-6iu a day for a modern dose if you want as well. Like everyone else has already stated, let your diet and cardio dictate your deficit.

 

[MajinBoo]

Necessary for what? To just get lean? You can get lean on test and deficit. Now if we are talking about prep, tren hold some particular benefits that (in my opinion) cannot be replaced. And I am not talking about the look alone.. For me what impact the look the most is winstrol. Tren is useful to hold tissue when the deficit is extreme, increased CNS stimulation to sustain performance during workout and all the anti-glucocorticoid effects

 

[Fleezy]

For me what impact the look the most is winstrol.

this, really



but then.. you know...




also, winstrol also compromises collagen and connective tissue, right? - that's why guys are always getting tears close to contests? or at least they used to... getting smarter about training now perhaps


though Lunsford did literally just tear his pec before the last Olympia

 

[hawkmoon]

this, really



but then.. you know...




also, winstrol also compromises collagen and connective tissue, right? - that's why guys are always getting tears close to contests? or at least they used to... getting smarter about training now perhaps


though Lunsford did literally just tear his pec before the last Olympia

I want to address this because people are using this property of Winstrol both ways.

1. There is a belief it precipitates tendon damage
2. People think it can "thin the skin" by degrading skin collagen

I'll go out on a limb here - neither is happening with four weeks of pre-contest use, and likely nothing substantial with even 8 weeks use, which is too long anyway IMO
You're not going to be undoing your collagen structures like that, I do not believe it is possible.

To me this is the epitome of "bro-science" Seeing something in science and applying it like a "bro".

Justin Harris is the only coach I have seen challenge this misconception openly - particularity in regards to thinning the skin pre-contest.

 

[MajinBoo]

I want to address this because people are using this property of Winstrol both ways.

1. There is a belief it precipitates tendon damage
2. People think it can "thin the skin" by degrading skin collagen

I'll go out on a limb here - neither is happening with four weeks of pre-contest use, and likely nothing substantial with even 8 weeks use, which is too long anyway IMO
You're not going to be undoing your collagen structures like that, I do not believe it is possible.

To me this is the epitome of "bro-science" Seeing something in science and applying it like a "bro".

Justin Harris is the only coach I have seen challenge this misconception openly - particularity in regards to thinning the skin pre-contest.

I believe that risk for injuries in last weeks of a prep are a combination of many things: when body fat is very low intra-articular fat is very low as well, cushion around tendons and ligaments is not present, synovial fluid viscosity changes. Then you also have a low estrogen which make tendons stiffer and in most cases increased cortisol which slows healing and fibroblast activity.
Winstrol tends to give a boost of strength when your tendons are weaker but, in my opinion, not the single contributing factor to the injury risk.
It also reduces collagens synthesis, lowers tendon elasticity and joint lubrication but I don't know how long it takes to have that effect.

 

[hawkmoon]

I believe that risk for injuries in last weeks of a prep are a combination of many things: when body fat is very low intra-articular fat is very low as well, cushion around tendons and ligaments is not present, synovial fluid viscosity changes. Then you also have a low estrogen which make tendons stiffer and in most cases increased cortisol which slows healing and fibroblast activity.
Winstrol tends to give a boost of strength when your tendons are weaker but, in my opinion, not the single contributing factor to the injury risk.
It also reduces collagens synthesis, lowers tendon elasticity and joint lubrication but I don't know how long it takes to have that effect.

I think the biggest risks are as you say low body fat, insufficient nutrient for proper healing (hence micro traumas can go unrepaired) and dehydration. Not just less water, but less carbs means you are drier and more vulnerable.

I don't think winstrol can effect sufficient changes in such a short time. You'd have to effectively remove and rebuild a significant portion of the tendon mass to compromise it.
I could be wrong, but this would take years IMO.

I tore a pec belly on test and deca. Only suspect condition was dehydration.

 

[gauge22-v2]

What are your opinions on tren on a cut ? Is it absolutely a must? Or can you get away without it ?

You already know the answer.

 

[gauge22-v2]

this, really



but then.. you know...




also, winstrol also compromises collagen and connective tissue, right? - that's why guys are always getting tears close to contests? or at least they used to... getting smarter about training now perhaps


though Lunsford did literally just tear his pec before the last Olympia

I did injectable winstrol once in my 20s. Joint issues back then were very, very rare. But holy shit I turned into a creaky old fart (like I am now) using it.

After that I never touched it again.

 

[Splitzz]

Not necessary, dieting can be miserable and tren makes it so much worse for me. Turn into an old miserable ass and hate everything, only feel good at the gym.

 

[GrowthKing1]

Thanks guys for all your reply’s . I think I will try to do this cut without tren . Just test mast and primo