I've switched back to DC but have a question

[irish2003]

after doing a modified 5x5 plus assistance routine I've switched back to DC training....I understand it takes a couple of cycles to get the intensity down, but how do I overcome the sense of shrinking this first week and a half.....mostly upper body......my legs fortunately grow just thinking about them

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

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Didnt you just ask this 3 seconds ago?

My advice is to stop switching around all over the place and finally believe in something and stay with it......in this case 5x5.....I think thats the best course of action for you.

Why keep jumping all around and wondering what you should be doing. Make your decision, stay the course with it and believe in it.

 

[irish2003]

yah I did ask on the other boards......I've only toyed around with your program in the past, but I've made the commitment this time for at least the next 6 months.....I respect all your thoughts and advice on this....thanks

 

[Quad-smack]

Patience & Persistence are virtues...
Over-thinking and second guessing lead nowhere...

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

yah I did ask on the other boards......I've only toyed around with your program in the past, but I've made the commitment this time for at least the next 6 months.....I respect all your thoughts and advice on this....thanks

Let me ask you a question....why do you want to do DC?

I looked thru your posts at IM and i saw you leave a post on the DC gallery saying "I believe in DC now"

that to me is not a reason....(cuz you saw some big guys doing it that convinces you? that kind of offends me)

You should want to do this because you understand the reasoning behind it all not because its the latest bandwagon fad to jump on.

When I see someone keep jumping around every couple months from 5x5 to Phils training to Big A's training to DC training to something else and on and on......my advice is.....truly find out something you believe in and submit to that belief and hammer it........Im not trying to signal you out but I would so much rather you do something else than do my methodology simply for the fact that I see you switching off continually.....how do you have any idea what works or not?

 

[irish2003]

Let me ask you a question....why do you want to do DC?

I looked thru your posts at IM and i saw you leave a post on the DC gallery saying "I believe in DC now"

that to me is not a reason....(cuz you saw some big guys doing it that convinces you? that kind of offends me)

You should want to do this because you understand the reasoning behind it all not because its the latest bandwagon fad to jump on.

When I see someone keep jumping around every couple months from 5x5 to Phils training to Big A's training to DC training to something else and on and on......my advice is.....truly find out something you believe in and submit to that belief and hammer it........Im not trying to signal you out but I would so much rather you do something else than do my methodology simply for the fact that I see you switching off continually.....how do you have any idea what works or not?

my biggest reason for going back to it is my strength and bodyweight set point is tapered off and I remember how quickly my strength went up with the little time I did do with it....although I truly enjoy extra sets for the pump feeling I believe I can learn to do this with your philosophies and get it to work for me just like others have...the other reason is I've learned that I don't just periodically keep adding and adding until I'm overtrained and my immune system suffers......with DC style I'm getting excited about pushing myself and putting up some numbers again like when I first started training.......

 

[Ashop]

after doing a modified 5x5 plus assistance routine I've switched back to DC training....I understand it takes a couple of cycles to get the intensity down, but how do I overcome the sense of shrinking this first week and a half.....mostly upper body......my legs fortunately grow just thinking about them

DC style training works for me,,im sticking with it.

 

[bigcat801]

DC style training works for me,,im sticking with it.

I have made sick lean mass gains :action-:m and I will stick to it until I am happy with where I am at (NEVER!)

 

[superman21]

Ive been DC training for 2 weeks now and im up about 8 lbs. I honestly believe most of it is muscle. Now i have taken some time off awhile ago so i could be just muscle memory coming back. But The way Dante designed it is too break down the muscle the fastest way possible and have plenty time to recover.

I feel this is exactly what is going on with me. I will definitely be sticking to this routine for a couple of years. The old routines of doin 16 sets for one muscle group is definitely not gonna work for me anymore since ive found this and really understand the science behind it. But i will say that if you arent pounding down the food or pushing yourself harder everytime your in the gym then this routine isnt for you.

What i suggest is you take a week off and decide which routine you want to stick with and then go back into it at 100%

 

[joeshow5]

Its easy to lose size when you first start the DC program.
I got the Jason Wojo DVD and started about 2 months ago. I am only just now getting it down. I've lost about 12-15 pounds since I started but am now beginning to gain strength steadily.

You really have to commit to it cause it will take a while to learn what poundages and exercises are best. You basically have to experiment for a while. During this time I would expect some loss.

I chose DC training cause it make sense to me. Its highly structured and you have to record everything. I felt I needed this after spinning my wheels in the sand for a year.

 

[tkav1980]

here's the thing about DC training and if i understand dante correctly heres the point. the program is designed for people who understand what he is trying to get you to do. do i think its a good program? yes. do i think its the only one that will get you to grow? no. but the point is you need to pick one program and work it for a long time. thats what makes gaines. consistancy, and busting your ass. you wont progress with any system if you dont believe in it and work the hell out of it. it wont happen in a few weeks, it takes time. he has all of those stickies over at intense muscle for a reason. read them over and over again, get the dvd, learn it better than anyone else, then apply what you have learned. i do not train dc but that doesnt matter. i have a program i like and i work the shit out of it and im growing. its the same with any system. it takes time and committment. good luck with whatever you choose.

 

[Muay Thai]

after doing a modified 5x5 plus assistance routine I've switched back to DC training....I understand it takes a couple of cycles to get the intensity down, but how do I overcome the sense of shrinking this first week and a half.....mostly upper body......my legs fortunately grow just thinking about them

how were your results with 5x5 and is there information i can obtain to compare the principles of 5x5 vs DC

no childish remarks guys

 

[irish2003]

thanks for all the advice and criticism guys.....no matter how big I get I will always have little man complex......when I was a teenager I said I would be good at 185-190 bulked up...now that I'm there, I can easily see myself with another 30-40lbs on my 5'5" frame.....I've always bought into the theory of constantly changing my routine, but I've now realized that it probably slowed me down some and consistency is the key.....I'll post my changes at the end of this blast......

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

Its easy to lose size when you first start the DC program.
I got the Jason Wojo DVD and started about 2 months ago. I am only just now getting it down. I've lost about 12-15 pounds since I started but am now beginning to gain strength steadily.

Joe the only way you are going to lose 12-15 pounds is if you are in a calorie deficit --- and it wouldnt matter what training routine you did....for you to lose 12-15 pounds in 8 weeks your just not eating as much as before.....or burning a GREAT DEAL more calories thru (work cardio whatever)....or got off the juice.

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

here's the thing about DC training and if i understand dante correctly heres the point. the program is designed for people who understand what he is trying to get you to do. do i think its a good program? yes. do i think its the only one that will get you to grow? no. but the point is you need to pick one program and work it for a long time. thats what makes gaines. consistancy, and busting your ass. you wont progress with any system if you dont believe in it and work the hell out of it. it wont happen in a few weeks, it takes time. he has all of those stickies over at intense muscle for a reason. read them over and over again, get the dvd, learn it better than anyone else, then apply what you have learned. i do not train dc but that doesnt matter. i have a program i like and i work the shit out of it and im growing. its the same with any system. it takes time and committment. good luck with whatever you choose.

I got nothing to add to that......thats right on the money....and what ive been asking for all along with this.

1) I will never forcefeed my opinions or try to get someone to do my methods who dont want to do them....I want people to train how they want to train bottom line....in fact I would prefer that most people DON'T train my way because alot of people just go by various pics they see of people, jump on the bandwagon and dont ever bother learning what its all about.

2) Grasp some form of training, believe in it, and hammer it for a year or two and find out if its working for you.....instead of jumping around every 45 days reading some new article on the boards or in the mags and thinking "well maybe i should be doing that"

Have you ever noticed that the really successful bodybuilders stop micro analyzing everything and make bodybuilding one small part of their day? Yes they eat every 2.5-3.5 hours but they are used to that...but they basically develop a gameplan, get in the gym and get out and then do other things whether it be school or business or whatever during the day and stop overthinking this shit.......yet on these boards you see people question themselves repeatedly, "should i do that should i do this, oh man maybe i was supposed to do that, dammit is that guy doing what i am supposed to do?!?!"
If more people grabbed a gameplan and a strategy on how to get to point B from point A you would have so many more happy bodybuilders in this world who lift for 1 hour of the waking day and then do stuff during the other 15 waking hours.......instead you got OCD guys who are so clusterfucked because they overthink about this stuff (365/52/7/24) during the whole 16 hours and end up 2 years from now looking exactly like they do today.

 

[klowndog]

Joe the only way you are going to lose 12-15 pounds is if you are in a calorie deficit --- and it wouldnt matter what training routine you did....for you to lose 12-15 pounds in 8 weeks your just not eating as much as before.....or burning a GREAT DEAL more calories thru (work cardio whatever)....or got off the juice.

I guarantee you didnt lose 15 lbs of lbm, or muscle. If you worked the program for 8 weeiks, you must have lost 20 lbs of fat and gained 5 lbs muscle. Or starved yourself.

 

[joeshow5]

DC...I have been doing cardio on my off days. Never really done that before, but the Jason Wojo suggests it in the video.

Klowndog....could be a trade off, not sure really. I have definately been working my butt off!

Anyway I didn't mean it as a bad thing. I'm happy with the training. I watched the vid and was like "this is for me". I love it.

 

[G.E.R.M]

I got nothing to add to that......thats right on the money....and what ive been asking for all along with this.

1) I will never forcefeed my opinions or try to get someone to do my methods who dont want to do them....I want people to train how they want to train bottom line....in fact I would prefer that most people DON'T train my way because alot of people just go by various pics they see of people, jump on the bandwagon and dont ever bother learning what its all about.

2) Grasp some form of training, believe in it, and hammer it for a year or two and find out if its working for you.....instead of jumping around every 45 days reading some new article on the boards or in the mags and thinking "well maybe i should be doing that"

Have you ever noticed that the really successful bodybuilders stop micro analyzing everything and make bodybuilding one small part of their day? Yes they eat every 2.5-3.5 hours but they are used to that...but they basically develop a gameplan, get in the gym and get out and then do other things whether it be school or business or whatever during the day and stop overthinking this shit.......yet on these boards you see people question themselves repeatedly, "should i do that should i do this, oh man maybe i was supposed to do that, dammit is that guy doing what i am supposed to do?!?!"
If more people grabbed a gameplan and a strategy on how to get to point B from point A you would have so many more happy bodybuilders in this world who lift for 1 hour of the waking day and then do stuff during the other 15 waking hours.......instead you got OCD guys who are so clusterfucked because they overthink about this stuff (365/52/7/24) during the whole 16 hours and end up 2 years from now looking exactly like they do today.

not that i really overthink it but...

when my mental focus is elsewhere and i just go to the gym and eat and do what i have to do as part of my daily routine, i really make better progress than when i try to plan every aspect of everything i do..plus planning too much in my personal life gets tiresome as i plan for a living as i am a IT project mgr that works on some pretty big projects.. even if i get sucked into work and even miss shots and such i keep making gym progress.. pretty wierd when i reflect on it actually..