Janoshik on the collapse of the steroid market

[johnjuanb1]

Correct. I wasn’t putting them down, sorry if it came off that way. Just stating that even the best sponsors are givin wrong products. Thankfully they tested them before and were honest about it

I didn’t think you were putting them down. I just didn’t want anyone misconstruing things. Geno/ @Elvia1023 are great people! I had a pack seized years ago, and they replaced it asap for free! They had real good primo enan!

 

[claymore]

I havnt watched it yet but would Jano have incentive for everything go through him
To make sure it’s safe and correct?

How did we ever survive in the old days of Mexican Faramcia ?

I like the idea of everyone testing, I do t like the idea of everyone using the same guy that know the forums and who is who.

We need to have multiple options or 2nd-3rd party follow up tests.

Bingo was his name o

 

[rAJJIN]

I would advise also when using Jano-
Tear the label or any marking off and make him do the work. He should be telling you what it is and what is the dosage without knowing before.

Otherwise if you send him for example a marked vial of a popular lab he often tests…..
Why would he run it again if he just did one hours or days ago? Could t he just save some steps and send that result?

 

[cage99]

I would advise also when using Jano-
Tear the label or any marking off and make him do the work. He should be telling you what it is and what is the dosage without knowing before.

Otherwise if you send him for example a marked vial of a popular lab he often tests…..
Why would he run it again if he just did one hours or days ago? Could t he just save some steps and send that result?

I don’t watch a lot of content, but I did watch half of this video posted here. Jano seems to encourage people do just this and send in blind samples. Personally, that’s what I’ve done with raws and ready mades.

Also, no need wasting a whole vial to send off. Just get ya like a 1ml or 2ml vial, that’s all you need anyways. Doesn’t take much for them to be able to test the product. Use a straw to stab into your raws and sprinkle your 3/4g sample into your 1ml vial for testing. Same thing with oils, just draw 1ml out of your multi use bottle and squirt in into the sample vial.

Label your sample with A99 and unknown. You already know what you’re supposed to have so let him confirm it!

With the current state of the market and dependable rock solid sponsors cutting AAS purchases forcing you to look elsewhere. Testing your product is now a mandatory for me before I’m firing anything inside me!

Cage

 

[Elvia1023]

I am happy to see everyone posting and defending Geno. I thought the thread was going another way until I started reading those replies. It just shows the potential power of the internet and how sometimes even being 100% honest can can against you because a lot of people don't read they just see a result and think it's fake and scammers (even if you posted the result yourself).

If anyone wants to know the full situation with timestamps just read the China raws thread in the sponsor section.

To recap Geno always gets powders and he tests them. As a result of the limited supply in recent times many Chinese sellers are opting to sell finished oils over powders so they can make more money on their limited supply. Geno ordered some mast e 200mg as a finished oil because the powder wasn't available. Everyone has been going on about raws and mast e and primo e. I have already posted great primo results. I was 99% (well maybe more 95%) sure this would be good mast e. Geno received the mast e and I told everyone we would test it and post the results as soon as they come back. I had 10+ people wanting to buy this mast e (in bulk) before testing coming back because people are that desperate for it and I said no to all of them. Mast e has been out of stock on our price list for well over 1 month.

Anyway about 1 week later the result is back and it was 92-93mg test p. Geno also added some test e 300 to that same order and he received 200mg/ml test c finished oil. It was one of the companies that has recently been investigated and got in trouble (the products were in transit for awhile). So Geno is pleased to see they got in trouble. It seems they knew they were fucked so basically sent out whatever powders they had left. So they weren't "bad" or "inert" powders they just scammed us but sending the wrong stuff. I posted this lab test result straightaway and said sorry but mast e is still out of stock and will be for a long time.

The guys already know but I will mention it here because I know how things go on the forums. There has been a shipping ban from the EU to the US for 6 weeks now. In the few days before that ban was announced we took in some orders. Geno told me he had about 20-25 mast e vials left so I said don't take anymore and put it as out of stock. The orders I had come to about 18 vials of mast e so great. As it's been so long some wanted refunds and got them but others were fine to wait. We haven't been able to ship until very recently as we learnt there was one way. So those few orders are going out now. One guy has 10 vials and he knows all the details and has seen it's been out of stock but even if asked if he was receiving the bad mast e. I obviously explained we would never send out something with another label on. Anyone who follows us will know I have been transparent since I basically joined this forum. So about 20 vials are getting sent out this week which is good mast e. Now 101 people can try and order mast e from me in the next month or 2 and you will see it's out of stock every time because we would never send out something we know is bad.

It's surprising how many people have asked for the 200mg/ml test c we received because we have our normal 250mg test c in stock but many seem to want the lower version. Geno was going to just bump up the dose to 250mg and sell it as normal but we will probably do a one off 200mg test c for the guys that want it. The test p will be bumped up by 10mg/ml so it's dosed like it should be. We always post our results good and bad. Surely that should be a normal thing but I have never seen it. Earlier in the year we received bold a powder instead of test c (I think it was c) which obviously made no sense and I posted about that too. I can guarantee you no sponsor is receiving great lab tests on 100% of the products they get. Shit happens but I think being honest about it is important so people understand the exact situation because some people act like everything is fine and dandy and they have a magical supply of every powder. At the same time the opposite is also true and it's not all the steroid market is collapsing and nothing is real and everything is shit.

 

[D2]

curios, no other countries can provide raw and replace china ?

 

[Elvia1023]

curios, no other countries can provide raw and replace china ?

India started doing that but I know Trump just put a massive tariff on their imports to the US so that will have a massive impact until it's reversed. We can't be political but I will just say I like him a lot but these tariffs have been a fucking nightmare. I feel sorry for all the good US sponsors on here. Although I personally wouldn't trust raws coming from India until I saw consistent testing. Obviously it's only a good thing they have started doing that because any competition to China is better than no competition.

 

[silvaback]

I would advise also when using Jano-
Tear the label or any marking off and make him do the work. He should be telling you what it is and what is the dosage without knowing before.

Otherwise if you send him for example a marked vial of a popular lab he often tests…..
Why would he run it again if he just did one hours or days ago? Could t he just save some steps and send that result?

jano already tells customers to send blind samples before sending..

 

[hotrod]

I have been doing this for 40 years,I like the idea of being able to test but I have never seen a UGL tab overdosed to some extreme amount as 40mg vs 40mcg. I would contend even before the shortages we are dealing with now most are under dosed. I test t3 regular because i need it because of thyroid problems and hate dealing with endocrinologists. But even decades ago in the dark ages we dealt with worse problems than this,people remember not long ago in 2008 when PM was a ghost web page, the China Olympics shutdown. All of this rat poising doesn't really help anything , I like Janoshik and this no doubt helping his business but I've learned to take a lot of things in this business with a grain of salt,I'm sure at one time or another Ive been hyperbolic on things that are happening in this market but with age comes wisdom and a failing body LOL

 

[rAJJIN]

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jano already tells customers to send blind samples before sending..

I’ve been dealing with janoshik since he was college student in a different country, using the schools equipment. You have been here since July.

For example… how are you sending in your tablets that are branded or have logo on them? Same for say hgh such as meditrope?[/QUOTE]

 

[nothuman]

Janoshik is legitimately saving lives. No one has done more for bodybuilders than he has.

A true legend.

 

[Bobik]

I always send blind samples. There have been a few underdosed samples recently, but the active ingredient content has always been fine. There is also a Polish laboratory for testing, but I trust Jano more.

 

[Blazed_Noob]

I remember when we had a thread going where members could donate stuff to get tested and the results would get posted. I loved it and sent in a few myself. It was informative seeing how things tested out. It would be great if we could start that up again.
The tariffs are screwing a lot of things up for everyone right now along side the shutdown. It will hopefully eventually even out and go back to some normalcy

 

[silvaback]

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I’ve been dealing with janoshik since he was college student in a different country, using the schools equipment. You have been here since July.

For example… how are you sending in your tablets that are branded or have logo on them? Same for say hgh such as meditrope?

bruh ive been taking gear for years and been a member on a bunch of other forums for years

and we talking about oils.. you said "vials" in your post not orals or hgh

ive used jano multiple times he clearly tells you in the email he prefers that you send 1ml in an unmarked vial for testing oils

 

[yellowbird1]

I have been doing this for 40 years,I like the idea of being able to test but I have never seen a UGL tab overdosed to some extreme amount as 40mg vs 40mcg. I would contend even before the shortages we are dealing with now most are under dosed. I test t3 regular because i need it because of thyroid problems and hate dealing with endocrinologists. But even decades ago in the dark ages we dealt with worse problems than this,people remember not long ago in 2008 when PM was a ghost web page, the China Olympics shutdown. All of this rat poising doesn't really help anything , I like Janoshik and this no doubt helping his business but I've learned to take a lot of things in this business with a grain of salt,I'm sure at one time or another Ive been hyperbolic on things that are happening in this market but with age comes wisdom and a failing body LOL

I didn't see the jano test for that clen but I did see the one for this clen from puca. Still pretty high

 

[Heath82]

I didn't see the jano test for that clen but I did see the one for this clen from puca. Still pretty high

That just makes no sense. The 40mg makes sense that they weighed in mg not mcg, which is still pretty dumb to mess up…

 

[Cinder]

I am happy to see everyone posting and defending Geno. I thought the thread was going another way until I started reading those replies. It just shows the potential power of the internet and how sometimes even being 100% honest can can against you because a lot of people don't read they just see a result and think it's fake and scammers (even if you posted the result yourself).

If anyone wants to know the full situation with timestamps just read the China raws thread in the sponsor section.

To recap Geno always gets powders and he tests them. As a result of the limited supply in recent times many Chinese sellers are opting to sell finished oils over powders so they can make more money on their limited supply. Geno ordered some mast e 200mg as a finished oil because the powder wasn't available. Everyone has been going on about raws and mast e and primo e. I have already posted great primo results. I was 99% (well maybe more 95%) sure this would be good mast e. Geno received the mast e and I told everyone we would test it and post the results as soon as they come back. I had 10+ people wanting to buy this mast e (in bulk) before testing coming back because people are that desperate for it and I said no to all of them. Mast e has been out of stock on our price list for well over 1 month.

Anyway about 1 week later the result is back and it was 92-93mg test p. Geno also added some test e 300 to that same order and he received 200mg/ml test c finished oil. It was one of the companies that has recently been investigated and got in trouble (the products were in transit for awhile). So Geno is pleased to see they got in trouble. It seems they knew they were fucked so basically sent out whatever powders they had left. So they weren't "bad" or "inert" powders they just scammed us but sending the wrong stuff. I posted this lab test result straightaway and said sorry but mast e is still out of stock and will be for a long time.

The guys already know but I will mention it here because I know how things go on the forums. There has been a shipping ban from the EU to the US for 6 weeks now. In the few days before that ban was announced we took in some orders. Geno told me he had about 20-25 mast e vials left so I said don't take anymore and put it as out of stock. The orders I had come to about 18 vials of mast e so great. As it's been so long some wanted refunds and got them but others were fine to wait. We haven't been able to ship until very recently as we learnt there was one way. So those few orders are going out now. One guy has 10 vials and he knows all the details and has seen it's been out of stock but even if asked if he was receiving the bad mast e. I obviously explained we would never send out something with another label on. Anyone who follows us will know I have been transparent since I basically joined this forum. So about 20 vials are getting sent out this week which is good mast e. Now 101 people can try and order mast e from me in the next month or 2 and you will see it's out of stock every time because we would never send out something we know is bad.

It's surprising how many people have asked for the 200mg/ml test c we received because we have our normal 250mg test c in stock but many seem to want the lower version. Geno was going to just bump up the dose to 250mg and sell it as normal but we will probably do a one off 200mg test c for the guys that want it. The test p will be bumped up by 10mg/ml so it's dosed like it should be. We always post our results good and bad. Surely that should be a normal thing but I have never seen it. Earlier in the year we received bold a powder instead of test c (I think it was c) which obviously made no sense and I posted about that too. I can guarantee you no sponsor is receiving great lab tests on 100% of the products they get. Shit happens but I think being honest about it is important so people understand the exact situation because some people act like everything is fine and dandy and they have a magical supply of every powder. At the same time the opposite is also true and it's not all the steroid market is collapsing and nothing is real and everything is shit.

Which company?

 

[Hbone]

Its funny , Still seeing don't like message go after the messenger !


Hate to say it but prices should be higher ! As said earlier (real) availability vs demand