Jared Feather of RP??

[DecaForDessert]

that is not a bodybuilding specific thing either. At every company, at least 50% of the workers "know better" how to lead the company than the manager. They are also convinced that he earns too much money and has an easy job.
Or take football, politics ... it's just that many people have very little self awareness and don't think very far.

Managers have become so out of touch and fundamentally stupid that 99% of the workers could put on a better song and dance. Talk about a bunch of shmucks. Besides that good post tho

 

[qbkilla]

Paul has such an ego. And for all his "science" he is doing what DC/Homon and later on JP have all proven without scientific studies and much more successfully and humbly than him. He was a fixture on IM in the heyday.

All this nonsense about fatigue.. I have heard it said about how most people dont train hard enough to worry about fatigue accumulation... given his target audience and majority of followers is weekend warriors/casual gym goers I would assume that is only more true in his "groups". It seems the science guys get the same type of people that jumped on ozembic without any diet/exercise... they want the science hack to make it easier because they dont have the desire to actually work or enjoy the process. His followers want to believe they found the shortcut because they dont want to work.

I couldn't care less about Jared's hair. At least he has some... Most are thinned from the PEDs haha. Besides id take a guy with that hair over a guy like Paul any day lol.

Agree. Hard work in the gym, progressive overload, moving more and eating less (now refered to as "suffering " don't sell. People want an easier way or hack. Mike, Paul, drug companies all profit making it "easier' for people. Weather rir and glp's yield the same results as adding 100+ lbs to a lift and a clean diet day in and day out...everyone has their opinion. I personally feel that will power, discipline, consistency...along with genetics lol are Important

 

[hawkmoon]

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Unfortunately I can't watch this.

Carter blocked me back when he was having one of his hissy fits with Isratel and systematically blocked people that follow him. I don't follow Mike anymore anyway so I guess I double miss out now.

Never seen anyone so intent on putting on airs of being a leader in the industry, being loud and obnoxious, and simultaneously so thin skinned.

 

[Big Dave Smith]

Agree. Hard work in the gym, progressive overload, moving more and eating less (now refered to as "suffering " don't sell. People want an easier way or hack. Mike, Paul, drug companies all profit making it "easier' for people. Weather rir and glp's yield the same results as adding 100+ lbs to a lift and a clean diet day in and day out...everyone has their opinion. I personally feel that will power, discipline, consistency...along with genetics lol are Important

Why do you think there are only extremes?

Why don’t you think their plans are hard too? They both use progressive overload. They both have eaten more to grow, eaten less to lose fat, etc.

What specifically are you saying they try to make “easy” vs what your idea is “hard” is?

When executed properly, all athletes have only gotten better by using periodization.

 

[qbkilla]

Why do you think there are only extremes?

Why don’t you think their plans are hard too? They both use progressive overload. They both have eaten more to grow, eaten less to lose fat, etc.

What specifically are you saying they try to make “easy” vs what your idea is “hard” is?

When executed properly, all athletes have only gotten better by using periodization.

I'm referring to why people even pay them attention. Typically I'd say because they don't want to just keep executing the basics which will always work so they seek 1 of 2 things...

1. A shiny new object that works "better " and is more "optimal "

2. A way for things to be easier

Mike's very complicated (in my opinion) way of training is that shiny new object. It's the "optimal " that some people seek because they think complex > simple. Same with Paul, but his training is simple. But it's low volume so it has the appeal of being "easy' because your spending less time in the gym, less sets, less reps. Both also claim that the umbrella of "science " supports them, and today's generation just eats that up. Bro science can't be right...there aren't studies on it...they say.

Then when it comes to glps, we'll that appeals to the crowd that wants everything easier. Moving is hard to them, not eating junk is hard, dieting is too hard, so glp's appeal. Now we are seeing "advanced " guys use them for various reasons, either to make things easier or more optimal.

So all this new stuff appeals to the masses. No one wants to hear "any reasonable program works if you add weight to the bar over time and stimulate the target muscle sufficient and recover ". Also "eat in a deficit, add physical activity as needed" won't get clicks either.

Nothing wrong with clickbait I support capitism and guys claiming they have secrets, better ways, or even drug companies hooking the masses on pills. But I also support freedom of speech and people calling out influencers by saying they have little value, their methods are inferior to the basics, etc. Just like Dr. Mike is free to say a bro split is stupid, others are Free to say he shouldn't be an authority on anything.

Just my opinion. These guys want clicks, attention, money, etc. But when you seek attention it won't always be positive. Especially if you act a certain way. Look at John meadows for example (rip). He produced alot of content but his personality was very different than these guys and he was pretty much universally liked and respected.

 

[P30LEM]

Look at John meadows for example (rip). He produced alot of content but his personality was very different than these guys and he was pretty much universally liked and respected.

Sometimes when I watch fitness content creators and the way they act, sometimes even mock or berate their own viewers for asking questions, I ask myself if JM would be proud of the way they carry themselves. Especially since some of these guys say they were great friends with John. I wish more people tried to follow his example.

 

[Bashmannutter]

Sometimes when I watch fitness content creators and the way they act, sometimes even mock or berate their own viewers for asking questions, I ask myself if JM would be proud of the way they carry themselves. Especially since some of these guys say they were great friends with John. I wish more people tried to follow his example.

I never met John, as I live in the UK. I do have some of his plans and followed his content. I've frequented a lot of forums over the years too and I've genuinely never seen anyone say a bad word about him, apart from your typical attention seeking/controversial characters in the industy, but even then, extremely rare.

 

[qbkilla]

Sometimes when I watch fitness content creators and the way they act, sometimes even mock or berate their own viewers for asking questions, I ask myself if JM would be proud of the way they carry themselves. Especially since some of these guys say they were great friends with John. I wish more people tried to follow his example.

I think there is a wide range of personalities. I personally prefer guys who are more serious and who don't try so hard to be funny, which is a big part of why I'm not big on Mike. No doubt he's a fine human from what I know but his use of humor just makes me cringe. Then you have a guy like Joe Bennett, very serious, but he just rambles and can spend 40 minutes saying what could be said in 5. I feel like John will always be the gold standard for content. I like Stan effferding and Justin Harris too, very serious personality who produce content that is pretty straightforward. Lyle is one who has alot of knowledge but I can't listen to that guy he's annoying. Jp is good with his delivery too, very serious doesn't beat around the bush.

 

[Big Dave Smith]

I'm referring to why people even pay them attention. Typically I'd say because they don't want to just keep executing the basics which will always work so they seek 1 of 2 things...

1. A shiny new object that works "better " and is more "optimal "

2. A way for things to be easier

Mike's very complicated (in my opinion) way of training is that shiny new object. It's the "optimal " that some people seek because they think complex > simple. Same with Paul, but his training is simple. But it's low volume so it has the appeal of being "easy' because your spending less time in the gym, less sets, less reps. Both also claim that the umbrella of "science " supports them, and today's generation just eats that up. Bro science can't be right...there aren't studies on it...they say.

Then when it comes to glps, we'll that appeals to the crowd that wants everything easier. Moving is hard to them, not eating junk is hard, dieting is too hard, so glp's appeal. Now we are seeing "advanced " guys use them for various reasons, either to make things easier or more optimal.

So all this new stuff appeals to the masses. No one wants to hear "any reasonable program works if you add weight to the bar over time and stimulate the target muscle sufficient and recover ". Also "eat in a deficit, add physical activity as needed" won't get clicks either.

Nothing wrong with clickbait I support capitism and guys claiming they have secrets, better ways, or even drug companies hooking the masses on pills. But I also support freedom of speech and people calling out influencers by saying they have little value, their methods are inferior to the basics, etc. Just like Dr. Mike is free to say a bro split is stupid, others are Free to say he shouldn't be an authority on anything.

Just my opinion. These guys want clicks, attention, money, etc. But when you seek attention it won't always be positive. Especially if you act a certain way. Look at John meadows for example (rip). He produced alot of content but his personality was very different than these guys and he was pretty much universally liked and respected.

People pay attention to Mike because they find him entertaining and educational. He's actually a good teacher for those who wish to learn.

Seeking things that are better and more optimal is not a negative or detrimental attribute.

Seeking things that are easier is also not negative or detrimental.

People don't assume complex is better than simple, you're making that assumption for people without evidence. If anything, bodybuilding is a lot more complicated than what people wish to believe. Applying things within context to achieve the most you can is very hard. Trying to understand all of this is important for some of us to eventually come to the conclusion of doing simple things. It's okay to start simple, learn, over complicate, make mistakes, and take what you've learned to ultimately come back to more simple ideas. At least you know why.

I agree with your point about science, as the word can be leveraged in any direction. Science supports keto, veganism, carnivore, omnivore, gluten free, etc... because people do cherry pick studies to support their biases... similar in the way Fauci tried to tell us he was the science during the covid days. Mass media ignored the other scientists, and even bashed them. Science does support a lot of what they say, just not 100% in how they apply it in the real world.

With GLP, unless the side effects out weigh the positive effects, the only argument someone has against their use would be emotional. If my dad wants to use Ozempic to stop eating muffins and ice cream, I'm going to support him losing the weight with a drug over him being obese and dying early. Yet, we don't apply this to steroid use or any other PED use. Natty's use that argument against us. Low to moderate steroid users use that argument against high dose users. Genetics do play a role in everything we do though. For some, hunger may be an uncontrollable variable that stands in their way of losing weight. For others, that signal may just not be as strong, making it naturally easier for them to calorie restrict. It's like telling something with depression to "Bro, just feel better and change your outlook!", or telling something with anxiety to "just calm down". Do they need medication? Not necessarily, but if the genetic trait is much stronger in those individuals, someone with good mental health isn't always in a position to pass judgment. There is no moral or ethical basis to say using a GLP-1 is somehow a short cut. If being morally consistent, someone who thinks that should never take an exogenous hormone for muscle growth because taking 50mg anavar DOES make bodybuilding way, way easier than taking nothing.

We all have freedom of speech and opinions, it just sounds better if you had points that weren't emotionally biased. You have a right to say things, but nobody is obligated to respect your opinions or even listen. Nobody is asking for the attention to always be positive, but if you're going to complain about someone's way of life, thoughts, and actions, people will respect your view points if they aren't based in logical fallacy and long held personal biases without much logical support.

I don't agree with Paul's attitude, and I don't agree with many things Mike teaches... but most of my beliefs surrounding their actions and ideas have nothing to do with thinking that people just want short cuts. We learn new things, throw away ideas we don't agree with, use what we do, and move on.

 

[luki7788]

To be honest, I’m not a big fan of Jared or Mike, but I’m not against them either. I think a lot of their older videos are very educational. Especially the ones where they talk about exercise technique — like leg press, squats, RDLs, and so on. There are many training clips where they show the most common mistakes and how to fix them. I really like these and I often send them to my clients when they need help with exercise form. So yes, those videos are very useful.

About Reps in Reserve style of training — I don’t think it’s bad. I believe many people don’t fully understand what Mike is trying to say. If you look at someone like Nick Walker, you can see that this kind of training is not “easy” at all. It’s very hard, just smart and controlled. It’s not about ego. This is the kind of training that works great for advanced and very strong lifters. For beginners who still need to build size and strength, I think more basic and traditional training is better.
Also, I can say I’ve been training like this all my life — with some reps in reserve. I always train alone, with no spotter, so I usually leave 1–2 reps in the tank. Sometimes I went to real failure — like when I was bench pressing and failed with 200 kg on the bar. But that didn’t happen often. Most of the time, especially with squats and heavy lifts, I stop before true failure for safety. So for me, this style is not new.

I think many people just misunderstand the message. Like I said, I’m not a fanboy, but I’m not a hater either. I think their training style is smart. Mike’s humor is not really my style, but it doesn’t bother me. If I don’t like a video, I just don’t watch it — that’s it.

 

[thethinker48]

Sometimes when I watch fitness content creators and the way they act, sometimes even mock or berate their own viewers for asking questions, I ask myself if JM would be proud of the way they carry themselves. Especially since some of these guys say they were great friends with John. I wish more people tried to follow his example.

There was only 1 John Meadows, very few people can live up to his example including most of us

 

[Josefein421]

There was only 1 John Meadows, very few people can live up to his example including most of us

I went to Infantry Squad Leaders Course when I was in the Marines Corps and met a Gunny that was our lead instructor. Tanked his career because he didnt care about climbing the ladder and would do what he felt right for his guys by his moral compass. He had a great saying (many of them but this one pertains here) I remember that I think is how John lived...

"Do the right thing, for the right reason."

That was John. Doing right by anyone he could because he genuinely loved helping people and life. Not for attention, accolades or money. Doing it right was just his way.

 

[BLKGUY2006]

There was only 1 John Meadows, very few people can live up to his example including most of us

Agreed. John was on another level, not just his videos, but his maturity and being a great human being.. He was/is on another level.