Jay Cutler got his protein almost entirely from shakes? (Podcast w/ Roman Fritz)

[need4tren]

Most people want to eat "food" at some point.

Eat solid food for a week and then do a week of shakes and see how much different you look, you’ll look much better on whole food it won’t even be a comparison

 

[Dumbbell2008]

Most people want to eat "food" at some point.

But why is whey + rice for example not “real food” ?

Eat solid food for a week and then do a week of shakes and see how much different you look, you’ll look much better on whole food it won’t even be a comparison

We are talking about only replacing the protein portion of the meal. So if you replace 50g of protein from chicken, with 50g of protein from Whey. Will it really drastically make a difference to the point where it “won’t even be a comparison”?

 

[hawkmoon]

But why is whey + rice for example not “real food” ?



We are talking about only replacing the protein portion of the meal. So if you replace 50g of protein from chicken, with 50g of protein from Whey. Will it really drastically make a difference to the point where it “won’t even be a comparison”?

To me, no, not drastic certainly as I have done it before for months. There are downsides physiologically and nutritionally of course. I prefer not to repeat.

I found when I did this I had some difficulty digesting some meats afterwards - particularly beef - due to altered acid and enzyme production.

Some people will simply not want to continue such a protocol for long as it lacks the palatability and satiation of eating beef, chicken, pork, eggs, fish, etc. I think that's fairly obvious.

If you want to do it, by all means.

 

[hawkmoon]

Eat solid food for a week and then do a week of shakes and see how much different you look, you’ll look much better on whole food it won’t even be a comparison

I think we make significant micronutrient sacrifices in a shake-dominant diet over time.

 

[Goodfella1988]

Sounds suspect that he’d buy a whole cow. You know he’s not eating any fatty meat….

I believe that was the main point of it. He preferred that because he could get it cut up how he liked it (avoiding the fat cuts)and it being cheaper.

 

[hawkmoon]

Bro, trust me, I talk with Roman very often. He did it, but literally only for a few days. Then he went back to his old approach.

Honestly, like the guys above already told you - don’t believe everything pros say and all those stories.
Sometimes you will hear the same pro tell ten completely different stories that don’t even match each other. They get lost in their own word
And why? Because many of them simply lie or make things up.

My theory is that they want to look like superhumans or something like that. One time they say they did crazy things, another time they say they used less than everybody else but somehow got better results.
So don’t treat every word from pros as absolute truth and don’t blindly believe everything they say.

This is common sense, but I think it escapes us sometimes.
We often think pros lie about their doses simply to hide something or to avoid the stigma of a heavy drug-user image.

I think the truth is that it is a constant, perhaps partially subconscious, form of self-aggrandizement.
They want to tell tales of how they pushed harder, endured more, and were more diligent than anyone else.

Lee Priest always stood out as a prime example of this to me. He readily speaks about abusing recreational drugs - especially cocaine and MDMA - but when it comes to PEDs, he suddenly claims he was cautious and concerned about excess.
To confess that this is, at face value, completely contradictory would destroy his narrative.
By claiming he used minimal amounts, he forces us to attribute his incredible physique entirely to a combination of ultimate genetic superiority (quiet) and outworking everyone else (loud).

 

[alfresco]

If a pro says don’t believe the pros should we believe the pro who says that?

 

[Shelby]

I always did 3 whole food meals and 3-4 shakes when I was competing.
I'm hardly Jay Cutler, or Roman Fritz, or anything like that though.

Dave Palumbo (one of the first truly super freaks at 300+ lbs and very lean, definitely an accomplished bodybuilder regardless of aesthetics)
has posted this as an offseason diet of his at some point - definitely a lot of liquid meals
(yes he was sponsored by Met-RX then, but that also meant he got a ton of product for free, so maybe not pure shill)

Originally Posted by huge285
If most people tried to eat what I ate, you'd be a fat shit!

MEAL #1: 10 whole eggs with 1 cup oats-- eat cooked
MEAL #2: 1.5 Met-Rx Packets (white packet) with 100g carb (ultrafuel)
MEAL #3: 6 McDonalds Cheeseburgers with Fries and 2 Apple Pies
MEAL #4: 1.5 Met-Rx Packets (white packet) with 100g carb (ultrafuel)
MEAL #5: 12 whole eggs, 1 cup oats, 1 cup apple juice, 40g whey protein-- BLEND and DRINK
MEAL #6: 1.5 Met-Rx Packets (white packet) with 100g carb (ultrafuel)
MEAL #7: Chicken (8oz) with 1 cup rice
MEAL #8: 1.5 Met-Rx Packets (white packet) with 100g carb (ultrafuel)
MEAL #9: 12 Whole eggs, 1 cup oats, 1 cup apple juice, 40 g whey-- BLEND and DRINK
MEAL #10: 1.5 Met-Rx Packets (white packet) with 100g carb (ultrafuel)
MEAL #11: (middle of night: 3am) 1.5 Met-Rx Packets (white packet) with 100g carb (ultrafuel)
MEAL #12 (middle of night: 5am) 1.5 Met-Rx Packets (white packet) with 100g carb (ultrafuel)

 

[SouthernMuscle]

I believe that was the main point of it. He preferred that because he could get it cut up how he liked it (avoiding the fat cuts)and it being cheaper.

“I drop animal off at butcher and you work directly with him to choose your own cuts. Steak thickness, burger fat meat ratio etc. he ages up to 21 days,cuts your way,vacuum seals labels and freezes prior to you picking up from him.
Our hanging weight is 625-700 lbs for a whole. Our price is 7$ lb . The butcher fee is a separate 75$ flat slaughter fee on a whole then 1$ lb vacuum seal paid directly to the butcher.”

This is from a cattle rancher last yr.

So in jays scenario, he would have paid for let’s say 650lbs @ $7/lb to the rancher.

His interaction w the butcher is separate. He’s already paid for the beef.

 

[specter]

This is common sense, but I think it escapes us sometimes.
We often think pros lie about their doses simply to hide something or to avoid the stigma of a heavy drug-user image.

I think the truth is that it is a constant, perhaps partially subconscious, form of self-aggrandizement.
They want to tell tales of how they pushed harder, endured more, and were more diligent than anyone else.

Lee Priest always stood out as a prime example of this to me. He readily speaks about abusing recreational drugs - especially cocaine and MDMA - but when it comes to PEDs, he suddenly claims he was cautious and concerned about excess.
To confess that this is, at face value, completely contradictory would destroy his narrative.
By claiming he used minimal amounts, he forces us to attribute his incredible physique entirely to a combination of ultimate genetic superiority (quiet) and outworking everyone else (loud).

"yeah i only took like 200mg deca, some winny tabs and yeah thats pretty much it"
Lee Priest

 

[A50#]

Just like most anything else, there's more ways to do things instead of just one. Do what works for you. In the late 90s, early 2000's I lived on protein shakes. I didn't have time or the place to always prepare or have a meal. I made phenomenal gains during that period.

 

[null88]

Well at least he didn't also get most his carbs from rice krispies

 

[nothuman]

Jay has so many stories that are completely opposite from each other, times he said he never ate beef and other videos he said he was buying whole cows, prepping with 1000 grams of carbs a day, drinking a 24 case of Mountain Dew in prep, ect

Well he had a long career. People usually deploy different strategies over their careers depending on the time period. Also, it seems like a lot of other people like to say what Jay does but I find what comes out of Jay’s mouth to be relatively consistent.

 

[Goodfella1988]

“I drop animal off at butcher and you work directly with him to choose your own cuts. Steak thickness, burger fat meat ratio etc. he ages up to 21 days,cuts your way,vacuum seals labels and freezes prior to you picking up from him.
Our hanging weight is 625-700 lbs for a whole. Our price is 7$ lb . The butcher fee is a separate 75$ flat slaughter fee on a whole then 1$ lb vacuum seal paid directly to the butcher.”

This is from a cattle rancher last yr.

So in jays scenario, he would have paid for let’s say 650lbs @ $7/lb to the rancher.

His interaction w the butcher is separate. He’s already paid for the beef.

Thank you for the break down. Was always curious bout the pricing. So around $4-5k for 650-700lbs. Still quite pricey but definitely beats paying $15-19 a lb for a New York steak or any other cut today. This would honestly be a dream for me to do this at least once. I’d imagine I’d need at least two freezers to store that.

 

[Truckman]

Did his growth hormone levels come from his growth hormone?

 

[madcap71]

Jay has so many stories that are completely opposite from each other, times he said he never ate beef and other videos he said he was buying whole cows, prepping with 1000 grams of carbs a day, drinking a 24 case of Mountain Dew in prep, ect

I was just about to cite the whole cow story. I really like Jay, don't know why he has to lie about so much

 

[Serotoninskeptic]

Well at least he didn't also get most his carbs from rice krispies

I have some unfortunate news for you...

 

[SouthernMuscle]

Thank you for the break down. Was always curious bout the pricing. So around $4-5k for 650-700lbs. Still quite pricey but definitely beats paying $15-19 a lb for a New York steak or any other cut today. This would honestly be a dream for me to do this at least once. I’d imagine I’d need at least two freezers to store that.

Yeah the upfront cost is a bit. Most if not all ranchers will sell a you a half though.

still a lot but more manageable $$ wise and space wise. and I’m not letting the fatty cuts go either lol.

 

[Rooks84]

Typical bodybuilder looking for things to be right or wrong and nothing in the middle. It has to be either "protein powder is fine or it needs to be avoided."

How about, protein powder is fine in moderation? No different then chicken. You shouldn't be getting all of your protein from chicken, just like you shouldn't be getting all of your protein from whey.

This is classic overthinking imo. I am imagining a guy standing on stage at a bodybuilding show thinking "If only I had more whey protein I'd be the next Mr. Olympia!" or "If only I had less whey protein, I know I would have won that show!"

 

[LATS]

I like jay.. I think he is a good rep for this game but.. he does contradict himself alot.. listen to his podcasts and various interviews and its one after another of contradictions over the years..
That being said i like shakes.. without them my protein intake would be abysmal.. but I add things to the shakes like oatmeal or fruit to try and get the nutrient content up.. when I owned my gyms I was always in constant hurry for meals.. between training members etc.. so I relied for years heavily on liquid meals..

Meal 1 was always a metrx packet with a banana and 8 Oz of skim milk..

Mid morning was a protein bar

Lunch was whatever the wife brought me but usually subway sandwich with meat green peppers cheese whole wheat.. chips diet soda

Mid day before training was the old Blue Thunder protein drink

Dinner was what ever the wife cooked..

Before bed another labrada or met rx..

I never really noticed any real difference in progress between doing that and whole meals..

I know my buddy dave used to tell me that nasser ( who came to his gym in oceanside ca) relied alot in the off season on liquid type meals.. shakes with a little bit of oatmeal or fruit mixed in.. so who knows.. if it helps ya get you requirements in so be it.. if you rely on it yo the point of nutrient deficiency etc then ....