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John Meadows heart attak?

You've been looking really healthy in your recent videos. Hang in there, John. To say ProM has your back is an understatement!

I appreciate - the crew has been supportive of me since day 1 here and I mean back like 13 years ago day 1. This is a great community.
 
Really glad you are going to be ok and make a full recovery! Sounds like absolute minimal damage was done, lucky!

I have to say, my absolute number one suspect would be the Nolvadex. Mysterious clots are it's number one serious side effect. Also, few doctors outside of oncologists specializing in breast cancer would be aware of this. I have done an enormous amount of research on tamoxifen over the years and everything I have read about this side effect seems to fit with your case. It could be a direct or indirect effect from the tamoxifen also, as it raises estrogen levels even as it blocks it.

I don't want this thread to turn into a debate about the safety of nolva and if it can cause clotting or not, it's a known serious side effect (which is also rare as most serious side effects are). Obviously it is probably related to estrogen's effect on clotting factors. Anyhow anyone can google this and read about it, there is no point debating it here, personal experience with oneself or small groups of people isn't enough data to assess outlying statistical possibilities. Also, there is a possibility this has nothing to do with this case, as I am just theorizing based on limited information.

I hope you get back to training hard soon JM!

I havent read any replies after this post yet but I wanted to say that this was the first thing that came to my mind. Assuming no other contributing factors and the E2 is in range on 200mg a week ( mine is actually a bit too much elevated recently on 200mg) I have seen a handful of bodybuilders develop clots on tamox. Theres a lot that goes into determining what causes what and those guys were on a lot more then 200mg a week but tamox isnt something id personally be taking too regularly. It has some benefits but in my opinion it has the potential to cause issues.

Im sure he was worked up quite extensively. I havent read everything with respect to his diagnosis or what testing they did but from my understanding it was a cardiac event not a PE. Its very uncommon to have an coronary arterial clot from just hypercoag state due to the nature of the blood flow there and some other factors. I mean ive seen it but those people had some significant issues... talking probabilties here not case reports

If it was a heart attack and not a PE please make sure you have a cardiac CTA done. If you already have and would like a second opinion id be happy to take a look. I think i read somewhere that you said your heart was fine and coronaries were clean... if you had a heart attack then you have heart damage although may not be clinically relevant or readily apparent. Scar tissue and impaired EF can be delayed in some cases as other parts of heart can become hypercontractile and make up for it so its hard to see motion issues on certain studies.

Also if you had a clot in a coronary my money would be on some underlying coronary plaque that caused the clot to propagate. It doesnt have to be a significant flow limiting lesion but could be a small rupture non calficied plaque that some platelets stuck to and bam.

Im just guessing with the above as i have not read all the posts on the matter.

Glad you are doing well. Stay healthy. Make sure you get follow up imaging and that all your labs are where they should be.

GG
 
I havent read any replies after this post yet but I wanted to say that this was the first thing that came to my mind. Assuming no other contributing factors and the E2 is in range on 200mg a week ( mine is actually a bit too much elevated recently on 200mg) I have seen a handful of bodybuilders develop clots on tamox. Theres a lot that goes into determining what causes what and those guys were on a lot more then 200mg a week but tamox isnt something id personally be taking too regularly. It has some benefits but in my opinion it has the potential to cause issues.

Im sure he was worked up quite extensively. I havent read everything with respect to his diagnosis or what testing they did but from my understanding it was a cardiac event not a PE. Its very uncommon to have an coronary arterial clot from just hypercoag state due to the nature of the blood flow there and some other factors. I mean ive seen it but those people had some significant issues... talking probabilties here not case reports

If it was a heart attack and not a PE please make sure you have a cardiac CTA done. If you already have and would like a second opinion id be happy to take a look. I think i read somewhere that you said your heart was fine and coronaries were clean... if you had a heart attack then you have heart damage although may not be clinically relevant or readily apparent. Scar tissue and impaired EF can be delayed in some cases as other parts of heart can become hypercontractile and make up for it so its hard to see motion issues on certain studies.

Also if you had a clot in a coronary my money would be on some underlying coronary plaque that caused the clot to propagate. It doesnt have to be a significant flow limiting lesion but could be a small rupture non calficied plaque that some platelets stuck to and bam.

Im just guessing with the above as i have not read all the posts on the matter.

Glad you are doing well. Stay healthy. Make sure you get follow up imaging and that all your labs are where they should be.

GG

I have an Echo in August to check on damage and E/F. We'll see how that goes. My number one concern is damage, hoping for the best. I feel great, been back training for a while (easy). I had a TEECG done, and the doctor said normal sized heart and very minor plaque in aorta consistent with what he would see with a 48 year old. My Calcium score was 0,0, 18 so those jive. I had 2 cardiologist review it and they said that is AOK. I was taking 20 mg of nolvadex 2 days a week, day of shot and day after. As you know the calcium score test are hard plaques, so I can't really comment on presence of soft plaques. My biological mother and father died at young age of heart attacks for what it's worth.
I havent read any replies after this post yet but I wanted to say that this was the first thing that came to my mind. Assuming no other contributing factors and the E2 is in range on 200mg a week ( mine is actually a bit too much elevated recently on 200mg) I have seen a handful of bodybuilders develop clots on tamox. Theres a lot that goes into determining what causes what and those guys were on a lot more then 200mg a week but tamox isnt something id personally be taking too regularly. It has some benefits but in my opinion it has the potential to cause issues.

Im sure he was worked up quite extensively. I havent read everything with respect to his diagnosis or what testing they did but from my understanding it was a cardiac event not a PE. Its very uncommon to have an coronary arterial clot from just hypercoag state due to the nature of the blood flow there and some other factors. I mean ive seen it but those people had some significant issues... talking probabilties here not case reports

If it was a heart attack and not a PE please make sure you have a cardiac CTA done. If you already have and would like a second opinion id be happy to take a look. I think i read somewhere that you said your heart was fine and coronaries were clean... if you had a heart attack then you have heart damage although may not be clinically relevant or readily apparent. Scar tissue and impaired EF can be delayed in some cases as other parts of heart can become hypercontractile and make up for it so its hard to see motion issues on certain studies.

Also if you had a clot in a coronary my money would be on some underlying coronary plaque that caused the clot to propagate. It doesnt have to be a significant flow limiting lesion but could be a small rupture non calficied plaque that some platelets stuck to and bam.

Im just guessing with the above as i have not read all the posts on the matter.

Glad you are doing well. Stay healthy. Make sure you get follow up imaging and that all your labs are where they should be.

GG

Oh and I was a STEMI also.
 
I have an Echo in August to check on damage and E/F. We'll see how that goes. My number one concern is damage, hoping for the best. I feel great, been back training for a while (easy). I had a TEECG done, and the doctor said normal sized heart and very minor plaque in aorta consistent with what he would see with a 48 year old. My Calcium score was 0,0, 18 so those jive. I had 2 cardiologist review it and they said that is AOK. I was taking 20 mg of nolvadex 2 days a week, day of shot and day after. As you know the calcium score test are hard plaques, so I can't really comment on presence of soft plaques. My biological mother and father died at young age of heart attacks for what it's worth.


Oh and I was a STEMI also.

Hi @mountaindog1 , glad to hear your recovery is going well. A few things you might want to consider moving forward.

As detailed in this other recent thread, a patient's ejection fraction dropped from 45% to 15%, during a 4 day period in the Royal Jubilee Hospital cardiac ward in Victoria BC Canada, after medical staff perforated his aortic valve during a hazardous, non-consensual, undisclosed cardiac procedure.

The esteemed cardiologist Dr. Sanjay Gupta and others verified that hospital staff used a phony narrative to delay emergency surgery for 4 days, instead of confessing to arranging and performing this non-consensual procedure.

His LV heart wall thickness dropped from 1.5 cm to around .3 cm thickness during this time, while his internal organs rapidly congested, with massive spikes in BUN and ALT (100 - 1000). The QRS duration also spiked from 100 to around 170/180 as the acute volume overload damaged his LV's electrical signaling (left bundle branch block)

However, his LV returned to 1.1 cm thickness within two months of having his aortic valve replaced, and LV stretched beyond recognition. The point being, like any muscle, the LV can dynamically respond to the stresses placed on it (assuming it maintains blood supply).

 
I have an Echo in August to check on damage and E/F. We'll see how that goes. My number one concern is damage, hoping for the best. I feel great, been back training for a while (easy). I had a TEECG done, and the doctor said normal sized heart and very minor plaque in aorta consistent with what he would see with a 48 year old. My Calcium score was 0,0, 18 so those jive. I had 2 cardiologist review it and they said that is AOK. I was taking 20 mg of nolvadex 2 days a week, day of shot and day after. As you know the calcium score test are hard plaques, so I can't really comment on presence of soft plaques. My biological mother and father died at young age of heart attacks for what it's worth.


Oh and I was a STEMI also.
you are certainly correct about the hard vs soft plaque. Its great to hear your CA score was 0. Thats reassuring. Let me know how your echo comes back. Since it was a STEMI...id never advise self medicating but it may be worth having a convo with your cardiologist and seeing if they would recommend an ARB at this point to help a bit with the remodeling. Low dose cialis may also be of some benefit. I would not suggest self medicating.

If you have a copy of the cath report it would be great to review. That would be pretty decent at picking up soft plaque. They would probably say something like " mild luminal irregularities" etc which basically means soft plaque. If that came back as clean id sleep much better at night

These threads are useful for many people in our community so thank you for posting publicly for discussion. At some point in time we will all have some health problems and hopefully some people will learn from this.

As for the nolva. I also take 200mg test TRT. I will admit it takes me out of normal range... i love it but its not a TRUE trt dose for me. On some of my troughs ive been 1200 plus and my HCT creeps up... When im on 200mg recently have had to take a low dose AI which you may want to consider if you are going to stay on that dose and if your E2 levels are out of range which is the reason im assuming your on the tamox because that dose is maybe aggrevating some old gyno issues or something.

I believe that with a solid base from prior years of lifting/supplementation....that 200mg really can maintain a damn good physique. It is a bit high though for some.
 
you are certainly correct about the hard vs soft plaque. Its great to hear your CA score was 0. Thats reassuring. Let me know how your echo comes back. Since it was a STEMI...id never advise self medicating but it may be worth having a convo with your cardiologist and seeing if they would recommend an ARB at this point to help a bit with the remodeling. Low dose cialis may also be of some benefit. I would not suggest self medicating.

If you have a copy of the cath report it would be great to review. That would be pretty decent at picking up soft plaque. They would probably say something like " mild luminal irregularities" etc which basically means soft plaque. If that came back as clean id sleep much better at night

These threads are useful for many people in our community so thank you for posting publicly for discussion. At some point in time we will all have some health problems and hopefully some people will learn from this.

As for the nolva. I also take 200mg test TRT. I will admit it takes me out of normal range... i love it but its not a TRUE trt dose for me. On some of my troughs ive been 1200 plus and my HCT creeps up... When im on 200mg recently have had to take a low dose AI which you may want to consider if you are going to stay on that dose and if your E2 levels are out of range which is the reason im assuming your on the tamox because that dose is maybe aggrevating some old gyno issues or something.

I believe that with a solid base from prior years of lifting/supplementation....that 200mg really can maintain a damn good physique. It is a bit high though for some.

I'm curious, what specific antiestrogen and dose do you use with your 200mg TRT and what are your E2 levels with it? What's an ideal number for E2 while on TRT in your opinion?
 
I'm curious, what specific antiestrogen and dose do you use with your 200mg TRT and what are your E2 levels with it? What's an ideal number for E2 while on TRT in your opinion?

I like to keep my E2 levels below about 50pg/ml. On 200mg i was creeping up to around 65 last time i checked without an AI even though my bf is maybe 12ish right now. yea yea i know the arguements for higher E2 levels etc...but i want mine in range. When i checked labs on about 150mg a week my E2 levels were borderline and i wouldnt have taken an AI at that dose.

Im not sure id recommend doing what I do as letro is pretty strong but i had a bit laying around so i use that. I currently use 1/4 tab letro a week and that dropped me down to 43pg/ml on 200mg after taking that for about a month. For most i think arimidex would probably be a better option if you need it. Aromasin would work too but expensive. However i do believe most men dont need an AI on TRT if they arent pushing the upper limits of normal and past. Notice i said MOST. Some guys do have a lot more aromatase enzyme even at a lower bodyfat...check your labs and see what works for you.

Regardless of what you use please make sure you get labs at a steady state to show whats going on. After i put some muscle back on post quarantine ill probably drop down to 150mg a week and stop the AI. You would be suprised what kinda of gains you can make at 200mg a week. I wont be winning any olympia contest but i was suprised. Definitely feel a bit more enhanced that natural.
 
I like to keep my E2 levels below about 50pg/ml. On 200mg i was creeping up to around 65 last time i checked without an AI even though my bf is maybe 12ish right now. yea yea i know the arguements for higher E2 levels etc...but i want mine in range. When i checked labs on about 150mg a week my E2 levels were borderline and i wouldnt have taken an AI at that dose.

Im not sure id recommend doing what I do as letro is pretty strong but i had a bit laying around so i use that. I currently use 1/4 tab letro a week and that dropped me down to 43pg/ml on 200mg after taking that for about a month. For most i think arimidex would probably be a better option if you need it. Aromasin would work too but expensive. However i do believe most men dont need an AI on TRT if they arent pushing the upper limits of normal and past. Notice i said MOST. Some guys do have a lot more aromatase enzyme even at a lower bodyfat...check your labs and see what works for you.

Regardless of what you use please make sure you get labs at a steady state to show whats going on. After i put some muscle back on post quarantine ill probably drop down to 150mg a week and stop the AI. You would be suprised what kinda of gains you can make at 200mg a week. I wont be winning any olympia contest but i was suprised. Definitely feel a bit more enhanced that natural.

I don't know who you think you are, but.....


lol, good seeing ya man. Some others were asking about ya at another board. Hope you've been well:cool:

...and for the sake of not spamming the thread, Thank you John, for sharing your experience openly. Hopefully we'll, well you moreso, get answers on all this. Most of all, you should have went with the you being dead rumor....:D
 
There is a blood test called Lp-Pla2 that I believe may provide a clue whether you have soft plaque if you want to ask for that one next time you have labs drawn @mountaindog1
 
you are certainly correct about the hard vs soft plaque. Its great to hear your CA score was 0. Thats reassuring. Let me know how your echo comes back. Since it was a STEMI...id never advise self medicating but it may be worth having a convo with your cardiologist and seeing if they would recommend an ARB at this point to help a bit with the remodeling. Low dose cialis may also be of some benefit. I would not suggest self medicating.

If you have a copy of the cath report it would be great to review. That would be pretty decent at picking up soft plaque. They would probably say something like " mild luminal irregularities" etc which basically means soft plaque. If that came back as clean id sleep much better at night

These threads are useful for many people in our community so thank you for posting publicly for discussion. At some point in time we will all have some health problems and hopefully some people will learn from this.

As for the nolva. I also take 200mg test TRT. I will admit it takes me out of normal range... i love it but its not a TRUE trt dose for me. On some of my troughs ive been 1200 plus and my HCT creeps up... When im on 200mg recently have had to take a low dose AI which you may want to consider if you are going to stay on that dose and if your E2 levels are out of range which is the reason im assuming your on the tamox because that dose is maybe aggrevating some old gyno issues or something.

I believe that with a solid base from prior years of lifting/supplementation....that 200mg really can maintain a damn good physique. It is a bit high though for some.
There is a blood test called Lp-Pla2 that I believe may provide a clue whether you have soft plaque if you want to ask for that one next time you have labs drawn @mountaindog1


Had that one done - below 200 is optimal and mine is 126. (ng/ml) measure
 
John, did they run DNA test on you to be sure you don't have a clotting disorder like mine (prothrombin mutation/factor 2) or factor 5? I think there are others too.
 
John, did they run DNA test on you to be sure you don't have a clotting disorder like mine (prothrombin mutation/factor 2) or factor 5? I think there are others too.

Yea I have done the venous one, but not the more arterial in nature ones just yet.
 
I havent read any replies after this post yet but I wanted to say that this was the first thing that came to my mind. Assuming no other contributing factors and the E2 is in range on 200mg a week ( mine is actually a bit too much elevated recently on 200mg) I have seen a handful of bodybuilders develop clots on tamox. Theres a lot that goes into determining what causes what and those guys were on a lot more then 200mg a week but tamox isnt something id personally be taking too regularly. It has some benefits but in my opinion it has the potential to cause issues.

Im sure he was worked up quite extensively. I havent read everything with respect to his diagnosis or what testing they did but from my understanding it was a cardiac event not a PE. Its very uncommon to have an coronary arterial clot from just hypercoag state due to the nature of the blood flow there and some other factors. I mean ive seen it but those people had some significant issues... talking probabilties here not case reports

If it was a heart attack and not a PE please make sure you have a cardiac CTA done. If you already have and would like a second opinion id be happy to take a look. I think i read somewhere that you said your heart was fine and coronaries were clean... if you had a heart attack then you have heart damage although may not be clinically relevant or readily apparent. Scar tissue and impaired EF can be delayed in some cases as other parts of heart can become hypercontractile and make up for it so its hard to see motion issues on certain studies.

Also if you had a clot in a coronary my money would be on some underlying coronary plaque that caused the clot to propagate. It doesnt have to be a significant flow limiting lesion but could be a small rupture non calficied plaque that some platelets stuck to and bam.

Im just guessing with the above as i have not read all the posts on the matter.

Glad you are doing well. Stay healthy. Make sure you get follow up imaging and that all your labs are where they should be.

GG

As bolded above. As we discussed previously it appears scar tissue did form. I saw your video on youtube. I am sure you have a team of people helping out out. I dont want there to be too many cooks in the kitchen however id like to make a few quick comments.

Id suggest a cardiac MRI WITH contrast. I want to see the distribution of the scar formation and if there is fibrosis anywhere else. It will also allow for the best estimation of EF.

As we discussed previously back in a think June, i hope your cardiologists had put you on the ARB to minimize scar tissue formation at that time. I am not aware of everything you were taking at that point but i did see your supplement list.
 
Here is the video GotGame is talking about. I re-posted an hour ago in the other thread but perhaps I should have here. In this video, he goes over blood work and his recent visit with his doctor while sitting down with another cardiologist providing a second opinion.

 
Hey John, if you decide against an ICD, then consider buying an AED (or several) for your house/car/gym, and make sure the people around you know how to use it if ever necessary. That might give you a bit of peace of mind.
 
Good video. I too was like John early on and felt almost normal. I was shocked when my EF came back at 20 to 25% two months after my heart attack. An echo showed mine at 35% at the hospital 4 days after my heart attack. Since I was over 35% I didnt qualify for a defibrillator. Two months later i was doing squats and went into deadly ventricular tachycardia. We called 911 and just a minute or so after they got here I went into V fib and passed out. Nearly died, but they defibrillated me externally. Needless to say, I got my ICD right after that. Turns out that my ef came back at below 20% at that time, so it went down after being released from the hospital.

My ICD has saved my life no less than 7 times. Each time it goes off I would have most probably died. My EF has been stuck at about 20 to 25% for the past 12 years. After the first year mine went up from 20% up to around 25%. It used to come back below 20% to 20%. So it can approve slightly, but id not count on much. My heart is akinetic on the inferior wall.

On if to get the ICD or not, i would probably err on the safe side and get it, especially if you are exercising really hard. The exercise is a trigger for arrhythmias like V tach. Your chances of having trouble go way up while you exercise. Ive had it happen a good number of times. Since I have an ICD I know that I am pretty safe from death though. If you dont have one, you are stuck calling 911 and praying that they get there soon enough. In my case that first time they barely arrived before I went into V fib and passed out. If youre like me and lift alone, then having an ICD is especially life saving. Once your heart gets off into V tach it can be hard to even walk and get to a phone to call 911. Going into an arrhythmia that can be fatal, if you dont get a defibrillation in time there is a good chance youll die. Ive been stuck in slower arrhythmias that arent fatal no that have gone on for 5 hours or more, stuck going 165 BPM. Only a defibrillation will bring it back. My defibrillator is now set to go off at 170 BPM. You dont want it too low or too high. Too low and it can go off when you exercise, normal sinus rhythm. Too high and you will pass out before it goes off, and thats dangerous. I asked the life squad what my heart rate was when I passed out and they said it was 450. At that point it was really just twitching and no blood was getting to my brain.

The MUGA scan is really nice, supposed to be a bit more accurate than echo. Ive had them done back to back with an echo within days and the results on them do come back about the same. So I havent seen a big discrepancy between results from the two. Im very glad that I have my ICD. I would have died back in December of 2008 when it first went off and saved my life. I was all alone in my study playing a computer game. My wife would have found me dead on the floor. My EF is only 20 to 25% though, and John's is about 10% higher. Its a critical choice to make. For me it was an easy one because I went into V tach before I had my ICD and nearly died.
 
public service announcement: cool downs after intense exercise and steady state cardio are your best friends. Never too late to start.
 
Good video. I too was like John early on and felt almost normal. I was shocked when my EF came back at 20 to 25% two months after my heart attack. An echo showed mine at 35% at the hospital 4 days after my heart attack. Since I was over 35% I didnt qualify for a defibrillator. Two months later i was doing squats and went into deadly ventricular tachycardia. We called 911 and just a minute or so after they got here I went into V fib and passed out. Nearly died, but they defibrillated me externally. Needless to say, I got my ICD right after that. Turns out that my ef came back at below 20% at that time, so it went down after being released from the hospital.

My ICD has saved my life no less than 7 times. Each time it goes off I would have most probably died. My EF has been stuck at about 20 to 25% for the past 12 years. After the first year mine went up from 20% up to around 25%. It used to come back below 20% to 20%. So it can approve slightly, but id not count on much. My heart is akinetic on the inferior wall.

On if to get the ICD or not, i would probably err on the safe side and get it, especially if you are exercising really hard. The exercise is a trigger for arrhythmias like V tach. Your chances of having trouble go way up while you exercise. Ive had it happen a good number of times. Since I have an ICD I know that I am pretty safe from death though. If you dont have one, you are stuck calling 911 and praying that they get there soon enough. In my case that first time they barely arrived before I went into V fib and passed out. If youre like me and lift alone, then having an ICD is especially life saving. Once your heart gets off into V tach it can be hard to even walk and get to a phone to call 911. Going into an arrhythmia that can be fatal, if you dont get a defibrillation in time there is a good chance youll die. Ive been stuck in slower arrhythmias that arent fatal no that have gone on for 5 hours or more, stuck going 165 BPM. Only a defibrillation will bring it back. My defibrillator is now set to go off at 170 BPM. You dont want it too low or too high. Too low and it can go off when you exercise, normal sinus rhythm. Too high and you will pass out before it goes off, and thats dangerous. I asked the life squad what my heart rate was when I passed out and they said it was 450. At that point it was really just twitching and no blood was getting to my brain.

The MUGA scan is really nice, supposed to be a bit more accurate than echo. Ive had them done back to back with an echo within days and the results on them do come back about the same. So I havent seen a big discrepancy between results from the two. Im very glad that I have my ICD. I would have died back in December of 2008 when it first went off and saved my life. I was all alone in my study playing a computer game. My wife would have found me dead on the floor. My EF is only 20 to 25% though, and John's is about 10% higher. Its a critical choice to make. For me it was an easy one because I went into V tach before I had my ICD and nearly died.
I have seen posts about TB-500 fixing heart cells wouldnt that be worth a try ?
 
I have seen posts about TB-500 fixing heart cells wouldnt that be worth a try ?
Well, many substances affect my heart rhythm now as well as affect my coumadin level. I have to be really careful. So there's that risk.

Then there is the fact that the dead area of my heart is all scar tissue with very little blood supply, so I doubt it would do any good. I think the only hope would be stem cell injections directly into the scar tissue. I tried to get into a study with that but my ventricle wall there is too thin. I think for me the risk of using something like this is much greater than the chance of success.

Thanks for the suggestion. Maybe for John it might help, at least a greater chance maybe. Still risky IMO. My MI is 12 years old, so remodeling has progressed a long way.
 
Well, many substances affect my heart rhythm now as well as affect my coumadin level. I have to be really careful. So there's that risk.

Then there is the fact that the dead area of my heart is all scar tissue with very little blood supply, so I doubt it would do any good. I think the only hope would be stem cell injections directly into the scar tissue. I tried to get into a study with that but my ventricle wall there is too thin. I think for me the risk of using something like this is much greater than the chance of success.

Thanks for the suggestion. Maybe for John it might help, at least a greater chance maybe. Still risky IMO. My MI is 12 years old, so remodeling has progressed a long way.

correct. thats the only way i know of at this time. good friend of mine at upenn she is/was doing that with good results but right now it just not practical.

the issue right now with most stem cells is the delivery. people think that just injecting say stem cells into a joint is gonna help etc.. its just mostly silly what i hear about. Couple years back a stem cell company who is pretty vocal online got pretty pissed at me and tried to get lawyers involved because i called them out on the bs. i had seen a few of there patients who images they presented and it was manipulated and there ACL's were still functionally deficient. But they claim they healed them....
 

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