JP "mito stack"

[Josefein421]

So I like JP a lot. His methods and he seems genuine. But I have heard grumblings that he is a sell out, etc. Well I have noticed he has done way more q&a on IG and focused mainly on peptides. Which is interesting because not too long ago he was virtually anti-peptide saying there wasnt enough research out. I have a feeling he has an interest if not outright ownership in ProForma Peptides who he was tagged. I just never saw him push supplements so much before even when he owned his brand. He seems to be really using his influence to drive people to that brand in particular. Anyway,

He touts what he is calling his "mito stack"
- 10mg meth blue
- 1mg mots c
- 1mg ss31
- 500mcg 5-amino
- 50-100mg nad+

I havent read much on some of those here and PM is usually at the forefront. But he claims tons of energy, nutrient uptake, etc. Debating giving it a shot just to see but I have a feeling it will be like most supps... underwhelming. And at those doses it is about $400/month from Soma.

Thoughts/experiences

 

[grammo13]

I tend to agree. JP is definitely a business man as much as he is a bodybuilder. As far as the peptides go, I have absolutely no experience with any of them

 

[Swifto]

So I like JP a lot. His methods and he seems genuine. But I have heard grumblings that he is a sell out, etc. Well I have noticed he has done way more q&a on IG and focused mainly on peptides. Which is interesting because not too long ago he was virtually anti-peptide saying there wasnt enough research out. I have a feeling he has an interest if not outright ownership in ProForma Peptides who he was tagged. I just never saw him push supplements so much before even when he owned his brand. He seems to be really using his influence to drive people to that brand in particular. Anyway,

He touts what he is calling his "mito stack"
- 10mg meth blue
- 1mg mots c
- 1mg ss31
- 500mcg 5-amino
- 50-100mg nad+

I havent read much on some of those here and PM is usually at the forefront. But he claims tons of energy, nutrient uptake, etc. Debating giving it a shot just to see but I have a feeling it will be like most supps... underwhelming. And at those doses it is about $400/month from Soma.

Thoughts/experiences

My advice is to add 1 peptide, feel the effects, settle down then add or remove another.

With 5x items in there, I doubt he knows which is doing what.

I tried 6mg MB (10mg kicks the shit out of me), 1mg MOTSc, 1mg 5-Amino and felt sick after 3 days. I made the mistake of adding too many IMO. Combined with 1.75mg Reta its too much (for me).

So I'm going back to 1.7mg Reta + SLU 500-1000mcg per day.

Please dont buy that stack from PP, you can get those here with sponsors for a fraction of the price.

 

[traininsane11]

This whole thing is just fun and games for JP he’s a multi millionaire who has almost reached some sort of god status among young UK bodybuilders.

If he posts he’s doing/taking XYZ everyone copies him.

He sells the same clothes he wears (his own brand) and they sell out usually within 24 hours of a release.

He’s a smart guy and he knows he has extreme almost worrying influence over a lot of people so to think he may use it for financial gain isn’t a wild conclusion that + the fact he definitely does/posts stuff just to see how blindly people will follow


People think cause he’s not a pro and claims to not have pro genetics that his physique is very achievable if they just follow all his advice. Fact is JP is probably one of the most genetically gifted guys there is for adding size, strength and injury resilience. That’s not to discredit his insane work ethic but to think he’s the generic “hardgainer” is hilarious

I like JP but I dislike most of his current following and what they’ve turned the industry into

 

[Josefein421]

This whole thing is just fun and games for JP he’s a multi millionaire who has almost reached some sort of god status among young UK bodybuilders.

If he posts he’s doing/taking XYZ everyone copies him.

He sells the same clothes he wears (his own brand) and they sell out usually within 24 hours of a release.

He’s a smart guy and he knows he has extreme almost worrying influence over a lot of people so to think he may use it for financial gain isn’t a wild conclusion that + the fact he definitely does/posts stuff just to see how blindly people will follow


People think cause he’s not a pro and claims to not have pro genetics that his physique is very achievable if they just follow all his advice. Fact is JP is probably one of the most genetically gifted guys there is for adding size, strength and injury resilience. That’s not to discredit his insane work ethic but to think he’s the generic “hardgainer” is hilarious

I like JP but I dislike most of his current following and what they’ve turned the industry into

I think that actually is a good way of putting it all. I had thought I was the only one. I really just started noticing it with the peptides I think because his sharp change from against any to promoting the kitchen sink. And when I saw the same brand being recommended and that it was literally just launched it kind of raised a flag.

 

[specter]

This whole thing is just fun and games for JP he’s a multi millionaire who has almost reached some sort of god status among young UK bodybuilders.

If he posts he’s doing/taking XYZ everyone copies him.

He sells the same clothes he wears (his own brand) and they sell out usually within 24 hours of a release.

He’s a smart guy and he knows he has extreme almost worrying influence over a lot of people so to think he may use it for financial gain isn’t a wild conclusion that + the fact he definitely does/posts stuff just to see how blindly people will follow


People think cause he’s not a pro and claims to not have pro genetics that his physique is very achievable if they just follow all his advice. Fact is JP is probably one of the most genetically gifted guys there is for adding size, strength and injury resilience. That’s not to discredit his insane work ethic but to think he’s the generic “hardgainer” is hilarious

I like JP but I dislike most of his current following and what they’ve turned the industry into

5,5" like 300lbs... totally easy peasy

 

[Georgeled8]

I mean you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to understand that he is some kind of silent partner for this brand
His Q&A sessions turned from mocking everybody to being the most helpful man on the planet

 

[Lift2staysane]

You could achieve similar if not better results with supplements. Drugs are not needed for every single angle of health. The SLU craze/hype got ppl who never once cared about the "mito" to suddenly care about it.

Spermidine
Ubiquinol
Nicotinamide Riboside (NR) or NMN, or NMNH, etc... all hit the "mito". No need to inject either. I'd rather save injections for actual hormones. Plus pins add up $$$ wise. That stack doesn't include that cost.

 

[Duke309]

I mean you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to understand that he is some kind of silent partner for this brand
His Q&A sessions turned from mocking everybody to being the most helpful man on the planet

It is pretty obvious he is directly getting financial benefit from pushing the peptides from that company he advertises.

He is even claiming now that GH + reta makes exogenous insulin not useful anymore. Not sure if that is just for his audience or if he actually believes that.

 

[TheOtherOne55]

Is it possible to love JP and despise his followers and fans? lol


I had been a paying member on JP's site since 2017 and basically used his methods to go from 230 to 330. And even that being said, i would never train the way he trains now. But its been fun to watch the evolution of JP. To answer the question, fuck yeah JP is a business partner in Proforma. But i also know JP doesnt give info that ISN'T beneficial. He's also a guy that is doing the 1% of the 1%. Most guys just need to fix their diet, be more disciplined, train harder...JP has been doing that for a decade plus. He's doing the incredibly small things now. The ones that we wouldnt notice, but he does. Peptides are one of those.

In terms of peptides, i believe in them. I've used Tirz, Reta, SLUPP, BPC/TB, basically all the secretagogues, and more recently MOTs-C and KLOW. Some are more noticeable than others. But again, you need to be able to notice these things. We've seen the SLUPP thread filled with, "this shit isnt working. what a waste." No, those guys just arent able to notice it. They need to fix the basics before they are there. Every variable needs to be held constant. And to be honest, 99% of JP's fans are 190lbs soaking wet obsessing over shit thats way more advanced then they are. Jordan is the Gym Shark of the UK lol he dominates, anyone and everyone who wants to be in fitness.

And obviously they are doing something with how motivated he is. I mean, his goal is to get back on stage. He said he wanted to hit peak size (ever) and peak condition with these new tools on his side. If anything, we know Jordan has mastered the art of GROWING. He just loves lifting and getting big more than he likes getting on stage. I feeeel that to the bone lol. Jordan is probably one of the most densely muscled people on the planet. If this were 15 years ago, JP would be a pro already. But with the evolution of BBing, the "get huge at all costs" isn't the look or the way to go any more.

 

[warlock]

He touts what he is calling his "mito stack"
- 10mg meth blue
- 1mg mots c
- 1mg ss31
- 500mcg 5-amino
- 50-100mg nad+

Those are daily dosages, correct?

 

[beardedgorilla]

I want to second what swifto said, you have to add them in one at a time to know what does what and how your body reacts. Jumping on a stack like that is just silly, get sides and then you don't know what from. Wife and I both wanted to test the waters with the mito craze and we went with MOTS-c and NAD+. I did the mots-c route and have noticed improved energy, especially during workouts. Felt like I had more in the tank and don't fatigue as quickly. Wife has been a lot less tired and minimized her naps since getting on NAD+. She started low and slow at 25mg 3x a week for two weeks, then upped it to 50mg and she's stayed there as she said she feels good and doesn't see a need to increase and will take a break soon. I have just ran the mots-c @ 1mg per day m-f.

 

[Sectør]

I mean most people in the industry usually sell out in one form or another—people need to make a living, can’t hate the guy for chasing money.

As far as the peptides,

I found 5 amino 1mq useless, but I also ran it in oral form @140mg a day. Injectable is definitely superior but I don’t see myself touching it again after the oral run. Just ended up pissing away money

Mots-c has been good so far—the glucose lowering effect is very strong, I believe it’s aided in fat loss a bit as well. Can’t really comment beyond that

Have no interest in running meth blue—blue body fluids just seems strange to me

Ss-31 interests me a lot but I probably won’t run it for a bit. Just want to finish this slu+mots-c cycle then return to base line for a bit.

Never ran nad+ but it seems to have a lot of benefits. Seems annoying to keep the product maintained though with having to balance the PH, and the crystallizing inside the vials.

 

[Markyy]

He’s involved some way for sure or atleast getting a kickback.

 

[Josefein421]

I mean most people in the industry usually sell out in one form or another—people need to make a living, can’t hate the guy for chasing money.

As far as the peptides,

I found 5 amino 1mq useless, but I also ran it in oral form @140mg a day. Injectable is definitely superior but I don’t see myself touching it again after the oral run. Just ended up pissing away money

Mots-c has been good so far—the glucose lowering effect is very strong, I believe it’s aided in fat loss a bit as well. Can’t really comment beyond that

Have no interest in running meth blue—blue body fluids just seems strange to me

Ss-31 interests me a lot but I probably won’t run it for a bit. Just want to finish this slu+mots-c cycle then return to base line for a bit.

Never ran nad+ but it seems to have a lot of benefits. Seems annoying to keep the product maintained though with having to balance the PH, and the crystallizing inside the vials.

I dont view it as selling out really. I know others have used that term for monetizing bodybuilding beyond coaching. But I just found it striking that all the time he has owned his supplement company I have never seen him push supps. Quite the opposite. I have seen him recommend not to take certain things and save money. So when he went suddenly from not using any peptides and not being comfortable recommending them to using every peptide under the sun and recommending "stacks" to the masses including linking a specific company.. I guess it was too obvious. Id rather he just be like "I really changed my views after reading up on them and see so much potential I started this company to try to get the highest quality products!".

 

[Simon90]

All I wanna know is..... When will we actually seen what he looks like underneath those clothes

 

[AllOkJumpmaster]

All I wanna know is..... When will we actually seen what he looks like underneath those clothes

he is really good at hiding his midsection, most likely since he claimed that blowing it out was what ended his competitive career.

 

[hawkmoon]

I think JP only shares what he believes in, and if that benefits him financially so be it - as long as it is authentic.

In regards to these stacks - I'm starting to tire of them.
With that I mean there is always something new added. Now you are up to 5-10 shots a day - or more.

None of these work short term and then you are done - they are lifetime therapies if you want the benefits.
Some are truly worth it, but lately it's just a constant stream of the latest and greatest added to everything else.

I'm already moderately irritated that I need TRT the rest of my life; I'm not looking forward to millions of injections of random peptides until I drop.
Maybe JP is, he's more hardcore than I for sure.

 

[PissedPajamas]

JP is a businessman and a brutally honest bodybuilder, he’s getting his bread but I don’t believe it’s at the cost of his integrity.

I’ve tried every peptide he’s tried and in much higher doses, to some they’re revolutionary and to others it’s snake oil. If you have the dough you can have fun with it though, that’s as much as I’ll say about that

 

[professionaldyel]

Until someone does before and after mitochondria testing I think influencers are just selling snake oil and the people who think xyz does something are falling for placebo. I'll also admit that the dosages people are using are probably way too low.

Ive used SLU at 250mcg twice a day - didnt notice anything really

GHK-Cu at varying doses of 5mg all the way up to 20mg a day and the only thing that happened was Hyperpigmentation on my chest faded - did nothing for joints, hair, or the skin on my face. - GHK-CU is on the lower end of mitochondria optimizers but nonetheless its worth noting I didn't notice any fat loss or energy.

https://mescreen.com/products/complete this was from a VG episode IIRC