JP "mito stack"

[silvaback]

This whole thing is just fun and games for JP he’s a multi millionaire who has almost reached some sort of god status among young UK bodybuilders.

If he posts he’s doing/taking XYZ everyone copies him.

He sells the same clothes he wears (his own brand) and they sell out usually within 24 hours of a release.

He’s a smart guy and he knows he has extreme almost worrying influence over a lot of people so to think he may use it for financial gain isn’t a wild conclusion that + the fact he definitely does/posts stuff just to see how blindly people will follow


People think cause he’s not a pro and claims to not have pro genetics that his physique is very achievable if they just follow all his advice. Fact is JP is probably one of the most genetically gifted guys there is for adding size, strength and injury resilience. That’s not to discredit his insane work ethic but to think he’s the generic “hardgainer” is hilarious

I like JP but I dislike most of his current following and what they’ve turned the industry into

biggest jordan peters ever got was 308lbs at 5'6'

nick walker peak offseason was 308 at 5'7'

let that sink in

 

[silvaback]

i like jp a lot he super smart when it comes to bodybuilding and is brutally honest if something is shit he will say its shit and doesn't care

 

[sazo75]

Until someone does before and after mitochondria testing I think influencers are just selling snake oil and the people who think xyz does something are falling for placebo. I'll also admit that the dosages people are using are probably way too low.

Ive used SLU at 250mcg twice a day - didnt notice anything really

GHK-Cu at varying doses of 5mg all the way up to 20mg a day and the only thing that happened was Hyperpigmentation on my chest faded - did nothing for joints, hair, or the skin on my face. - GHK-CU is on the lower end of mitochondria optimizers but nonetheless its worth noting I didn't notice any fat loss or energy.

https://mescreen.com/products/complete this was from a VG episode IIRC

10000% agreed with this, seems like this is the new fad as well, extremely smart business move by these peptide companies, they're just taking the same basic playbook of sponsor xx athlete that has a bunch of followers on xx platform, supply them with free product/ give them xx money a month. It's just like how there's a million diff clothing companies, supplement companies, now there's a million different peptide companies all claiming they're the best and have the best testing, etc etc. I also agree with professionaladyel that I think a lot of it is placebo, or that when people are taking these peptides they're all of a sudden changing their diet, or taking their workouts more serious or are taking gh, aas, or other peds that actually have a longer standing history and those are the main culprits that are doing the work and that a lot of these new peptides aren't doing much if anything noteworthy... the GLP's are great but even than we've seen in the past how these peptide companies were underdosing, mislabeling or counterfeiting their GLP's....

When people that start pushing peptides super hard, and especially multiple peptides, than it's worth looking into if theirs any sort of financial incentive/sponsorship involved and if there is, than it's no diff to me like when influencers/athletes push the bs supps that hardly do anything if anything at all, like glutamine, fish oils, multi V, glucosamine, test boosters etc, when you know damn well it's the other stuff that's truly making the difference.

 

[Hatchet]

JP seems like a very strange guy. Great at making money, that doesn't make someone a good person.
Wouldn't be surprised if his heart explodes one day soon. 100 lbs overweight, not good. Organs are probably 5x their normal size.

I wonder how his "TRT only" thing is working out for him.

Great money-maker, though very insincere...

 

[madg]

never used any peptides,never will

 

[Massive G]

The guy is a tank and a goddammn human forklift. I followed him since he started on the boards and was a client of Scott. His clothes look comfortable but I have no desire to walk around looking like a saggy balloon. He also has the worst case of bigorexia I have ever seen which is common in our sport. He's got a great physique and should shed the tents!
Celebrate it when you have it cause it won't be there forever.

 

[copypastemuscle]

It really boggles my mind how much money people blow on accessories other than peds/hgh. Spend that money on health supplements, higher quality food or your loved ones

 

[luki7788]

JP seems like a very strange guy. Great at making money, that doesn't make someone a good person.
Wouldn't be surprised if his heart explodes one day soon. 100 lbs overweight, not good. Organs are probably 5x their normal size.

I wonder how his "TRT only" thing is working out for him.

Great money-maker, though very insincere...

I don’t really understand what you mean by “very dishonest,” but honestly, it looks like you’re just out of date.

You talk about “only TRT,” but JP himself says openly that he’s pushing high doses again. He posts everything on the forum.
Right now, he’s running something like 2–2.5 grams of testosterone and 1.5 grams of boldenone per week. GH is around 15–16 IU per day, from what I saw.
Yeah, he was on lower doses for a while, but that didn’t last long, and he said clearly why he went back up. That was like 2 or 3 years ago, so I really don’t get where your comment is coming from.

Where did you even get that idea?

 

[specter]

I don’t really understand what you mean by “very dishonest,” but honestly, it looks like you’re just out of date.

You talk about “only TRT,” but JP himself says openly that he’s pushing high doses again. He posts everything on the forum.
Right now, he’s running something like 2–2.5 grams of testosterone and 1.5 grams of boldenone per week. GH is around 15–16 IU per day, from what I saw.
Yeah, he was on lower doses for a while, but that didn’t last long, and he said clearly why he went back up. That was like 2 or 3 years ago, so I really don’t get where your comment is coming from.

Where did you even get that idea?

Yeah that whole TRT only thing didnt last long and i fuckin get it, when you are that big and worked so hard to get there watching that mass fall off is effing hard.

 

[qbkilla]

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[qbkilla]

It really boggles my mind how much money people blow on accessories other than peds/hgh. Spend that money on health supplements, higher quality food or your loved ones

This. I remember when bodybuilding was a aas, gh, a fatburner as needed and slin for the advanced. Now its almost comical.

 

[massephase]

This is my mindset. When I started reading forums in 2002 you took some aas, gh, and a thermogenic when fat loss stalled..advanced guys toyed with slin. Now it seems like bodybuilding has merged with biohacking.

Who cares? You don't have to do it. I think with all new trends, it depends on your risk tolerance and personality whether you will be an early adopter or not.
With all these peptides etc, you can just sit back and observe, because there are a lot of people playing guinea pig with themselves - and that is a good thing, because they might discover something worthwhile. And then you can copy them. Or maybe you come to the conclusion that they offer no real benefit and then you wasted no money because other people figured it out for you.

To me it seems like you have an aesthetic preference for a rudimentary approach, a nostalgia for the 90s or whatever. But that seems stupid to me. Simplicity is good, but only if it enhances the results you are looking to get out of something. Which in bodybuilding, keeping it simple seems to benefit people a lot of times. But we can also keep it "too simple" and then it becomes silly ... like the people who refuse to use machines in favor of barbells because of some aesthetic ideal (barbells are hardcore,...) and so on.

 

[luki7788]

Who cares? You don't have to do it. I think with all new trends, it depends on your risk tolerance and personality whether you will be an early adopter or not.
With all these peptides etc, you can just sit back and observe, because there are a lot of people playing guinea pig with themselves - and that is a good thing, because they might discover something worthwhile. And then you can copy them. Or maybe you come to the conclusion that they offer no real benefit and then you wasted no money because other people figured it out for you.

To me it seems like you have an aesthetic preference for a rudimentary approach, a nostalgia for the 90s or whatever. But that seems stupid to me. Simplicity is good, but only if it enhances the results you are looking to get out of something. Which in bodybuilding, keeping it simple seems to benefit people a lot of times. But we can also keep it "too simple" and then it becomes silly ... like the people who refuse to use machines in favor of barbells because of some aesthetic ideal (barbells are hardcore,...) and so on.

Let me put it this way - if someone complains that everything was better in the past, they should stop using GPS when going on a trip and go back to a paper map because it was better in the past lol

 

[PissedPajamas]

JP seems like a very strange guy. Great at making money, that doesn't make someone a good person.
Wouldn't be surprised if his heart explodes one day soon. 100 lbs overweight, not good. Organs are probably 5x their normal size.

I wonder how his "TRT only" thing is working out for him.

Great money-maker, though very insincere...

How about keeping up with what JP’s been doing before you post a low IQ comment

 

[qbkilla]

Who cares? You don't have to do it. I think with all new trends, it depends on your risk tolerance and personality whether you will be an early adopter or not.
With all these peptides etc, you can just sit back and observe, because there are a lot of people playing guinea pig with themselves - and that is a good thing, because they might discover something worthwhile. And then you can copy them. Or maybe you come to the conclusion that they offer no real benefit and then you wasted no money because other people figured it out for you.

To me it seems like you have an aesthetic preference for a rudimentary approach, a nostalgia for the 90s or whatever. But that seems stupid to me. Simplicity is good, but only if it enhances the results you are looking to get out of something. Which in bodybuilding, keeping it simple seems to benefit people a lot of times. But we can also keep it "too simple" and then it becomes silly ... like the people who refuse to use machines in favor of barbells because of some aesthetic ideal (barbells are hardcore,...) and so on.

I definitely prefer the simple, I've learned from my own mistakes obsessing over the minutia in training, just not drugs. It seems like in bodybuilding different people focus on different things to obsess over that ste nothing more than wasted time.

Example guy a may obsess over the perfect routine, exercise selection, tempo but keeps it simple and runs test and gh only.

Guy b may just run a simple 3x full body split nothing fancy but put 12 different drugs in his body a week and always be looking for a 13th and 14th so he can be 9.5 % instead of 9.9% bodyfat.

 

[IFBBProDomCardone]

Who cares? You don't have to do it. I think with all new trends, it depends on your risk tolerance and personality whether you will be an early adopter or not.
With all these peptides etc, you can just sit back and observe, because there are a lot of people playing guinea pig with themselves - and that is a good thing, because they might discover something worthwhile. And then you can copy them. Or maybe you come to the conclusion that they offer no real benefit and then you wasted no money because other people figured it out for you.

To me it seems like you have an aesthetic preference for a rudimentary approach, a nostalgia for the 90s or whatever. But that seems stupid to me. Simplicity is good, but only if it enhances the results you are looking to get out of something. Which in bodybuilding, keeping it simple seems to benefit people a lot of times. But we can also keep it "too simple" and then it becomes silly ... like the people who refuse to use machines in favor of barbells because of some aesthetic ideal (barbells are hardcore,...) and so on.

Guys can stay comfortable in whats nostalgic (like I used to do)...or be open minded in evolving with times. Are all of these compounds useful? Probably not...but I have found great benefit with some with my guys and myself. I have been sitting back watching what people are saying, mainly listening to people I respect and trust who arent throwing the kitchen sink in that can decipher what may work and may not.

Im all about keeping things simple...but if there is more tools to assist in someone getting to point B in a safer/healthier manner, why not?

 

[silvaback]

This. I remember when bodybuilding was a aas, gh, a fatburner as needed and slin for the advanced. Now its almost comical.

it makes since tho bodybuilding is going to evolve overtime like anything else and with all these new chemicals and drugs coming out people are going to experiment its a part of the sport…

i can only imagine 100 years from now some super steroid or myostatin inhibitor will be available and guys will be growing out of control

 

[massephase]

and guys will be growing out of control

 

[GeekGenetics]

insane to me that in a sport where we are always striving for more and more progress, we would have people who find problems with people trying to find more ways to make it. if we can find 1 new thing out of all these things to make a good difference, why not? i mean jesus look at ben chow and how much hes been able to recover his kidney function thanks to experimenting with the new shiny toys. that alone right there should be eye catching to all of us. is half if not more of this shit going to be pretty much a money sink? ya probably, but our space is filled with the ones who are pushing new boundaries and that comes at the cost of experimentation.

 

[TheOtherOne55]

I definitely prefer the simple, I've learned from my own mistakes obsessing over the minutia in training, just not drugs. It seems like in bodybuilding different people focus on different things to obsess over that ste nothing more than wasted time.

Example guy a may obsess over the perfect routine, exercise selection, tempo but keeps it simple and runs test and gh only.

Guy b may just run a simple 3x full body split nothing fancy but put 12 different drugs in his body a week and always be looking for a 13th and 14th so he can be 9.5 % instead of 9.9% bodyfat.

Man, you dont need to be "the guy who figured it out" qb .
You stilll obsess over the minutia, you just dont vocalize it on here anymore because you know all of us will come back with the same response you always hear LOL.

I also think you're confusing people tinkering with what's optimal vs new advancements in drugs. Both veryy different.