Just a quick question:

[Ira]

I want to start my first cycle after about six years of training, on and off. I have decided to try an oral to help me put on some mass. I am going with anabol ( pink-tabs/5 mg). I only plan on doing a six-week cycle and then taking eight weeks off. I am looking for suggestions from professionals about dosages and, if I even need any, drugs for side effects for this small cycle. I am really not interested in injections at this time.

I am 26, 6', 175 lbs with a pretty fast metabolism, I am currently on high protien and high, but good carb diet. I am currently using a routine very similar to big A's begginner program, I think it works great. Thankyou for your advice.

 

[Zuke]

I do not like an all d-bol cycle. You will lose most if not all ur gains after stoping. A good first cycle is something like 500mg of test a week for 10 weeks.All oral cycles are usually thought up by people who are too scared to poke. I suggest you stay as far away from the person that gave you the idea!

Follow Big A's article for newbies. Everything is outlined there with regards to aas.

 

[Ira]

thankyou

I did check out big a's suggestions about gear. I guess I find myself bewildered over all those drugs. I wouldn't know what to do exactly. " I would just like a simple Asa plan. " that I can do for a short time. Maybe it isn't possible but I already feel like a have a ton of test already in my system. Is there oral test I can take with it? Can you tell me exactly what I need to buy for protection?
Thank you for your suggestions, I appreciate any help in this area. Is there any more thoughts on a simpler plan.

 

[Ira]

I meant to say simple aas plan above

sorry about that, must have been the spell check.

 

[joeshow5]

I am a newbie myself, but I think I can say what most people are thinking.
Orals make for a poor cycle. The faster you add size to your body, the harder it is for your body to hang on to it. You will lose 90+% of your gains even with good PCT.
Also, orals are quite hard on your body. There are oral test products, like
M1T, but these are hell on your body, especially your liver. If your are not ready to poke, then you may not be ready for a cycle. Injecting is by far the safest way to use AAS.
Like I said, I am just a newbie myself, I only know this from research.
Anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong

 

[Ira]

so is there something simple

I guess I will have to bite the bullet and stick myself. Just tell me which test to stick and which oral to take and something simple (to protect myself) to take with it. How much of this stuff do I have to buy? looking for some help. Thank you.

 

[Skarn]

Bro,

For a simple, easy and safe 1st cycle, stick the basics. Do a test only cycle. Either Test Enanthate or Test Cypionate...since they are long acting esters, you will only need to stick yourself once or twice a week. I prefer twice a week to keep the levels more stable and consistant. I stick every Monday and Thursday.

You could add an oral with the test to give you a "jump start" since you won't feel much of anything on test until around week 4 or 5. You could do test for 10-12 weeks and dbol for 4-5 weeks.

A nice beginner cycle:
Test Enanthate 500mg/week weeks 1-10
Dbol 30mg/day weeks 1-4

You should have Nolvadex ready in case of gyno. If you are worried about bloat, you could do liquidex/arimidex at .25/day as well.

You asked how much to buy. For a 10-week cycle at 500mg/week you'd need 5000mg. Most test enanthate comes in 10ml bottles at 250mg/ml. So you would need to buy 2 10ml bottles of Test. You can adjust the math if you wanted to do a longer (or shorter) cycle, but I feel that with the test enanthate, do at least a 10-week cycle.

The cycle I listed above was my first cycle and I absolutely loved it!

Good luck!
Skarn

 

[Ira]

thanx skarn

Thats exactly the kind of cycle I would like to do for my first time. I will take your advice and do the test and the dbol. I like the fact I will only have to stick it twice a week.

Now with this cycle I just need to stand by with the nolvadex. I dont need to take it, or anything else, unless I experience a problem right? Also do I need to worry about blaot?

Thankyou again_Ira

 

[K1]

A nice beginner cycle:
Test Enanthate 500mg/week weeks 1-10
Dbol 30mg/day weeks 1-4

You should have Nolvadex ready in case of gyno. If you are worried about bloat, you could do liquidex/arimidex at .25/day as well.

A PERFECT FIRST CYCLE!!!

 

[Dad]

Given your stats, for a very first cycle you can cut these dosages in half, and use the enanthate for 8 weeks. This, of course, assumes you've been training hard and regularly for at least a couple of years.

So, you'd use 250 mg test enanthate, and maybe 15-20 mg of d-bol for the first 4 weeks.

The trick to not losing your gains will be to stay on the nolvadex and arimidex for a good 4-6 (preferably 6) weeks after your last shot of enanthate to keep extra estrogen down while your HPT axis recovers. Basically, the less you suppress your own system, the better, thus shorter cycles.

It's hard to say how much you'll gain from this as people vary, but 15 lbs or so would be a nice gain - you may gain more, but don't stuff yourself in an effort to do so.

Every time I give beginners advice on cutting their proposed cycles down, I have the feeling it falls on deaf ears, but since you've asked, I'll tell you what I think is best. My very first cycle was 10 (that's right, TEN) mg of
d-bol a day for six weeks - I gained 20 lbs. I did a number of low-dose, short cycles like that (back when docs would actually prescribe!), and went on to compete. I've never used more than 1000 mg total in a week - most people who use more are just kidding themselves that this will make a difference. If 1000 mg a week or less won't do it for you, then you just don't have the genetics - period.

Hope it works well for you!

 

[Ira]

Dad

so your first cycle was d-bol "only", and you just followed that up with the nolvadex and armidex?

Cause I would love to just do a skimpy/low-dose cycle of just d-bol if I could get away with it.

Trust me I will listen to your advice, the less drugs the better.

Also I am about to order domestic and I was going to just have the stuff sent straight to my home. Is that wrong? I assume the as long as you are going to go with a domestic purchase that you could have it sent straight to your place. Would love to get some feedback because I am going to order within a week or so.

 

[Skarn]

so your first cycle was d-bol "only", and you just followed that up with the nolvadex and armidex?

Cause I would love to just do a skimpy/low-dose cycle of just d-bol if I could get away with it.

Trust me I will listen to your advice, the less drugs the better.

Also I am about to order domestic and I was going to just have the stuff sent straight to my home. Is that wrong? I assume the as long as you are going to go with a domestic purchase that you could have it sent straight to your place. Would love to get some feedback because I am going to order within a week or so.

I always have it go to my home and haven't had any problems (knock on wood!). Of course, you have to make sure it's clean....nothing illegal there.

As far as a dbol only cycle.....there are some that say they've done it with decent gains. But the majority of people I talk to and hear from say do not do it....the gains are hard to keep. Plus with an oral only cycle, you'd prob want to go longer than the recommended 4-5 weeks and that could cause some liver issues. My personal opinion after being in this sport/game many years is to not do it. I believe a lot of the people that did a dbol only first cycle and kept their gains would have done almost as well without the dbol. When on a first cycle, you are super motivated, work extra hard due to the psychological boost of knowing you are on roids, and you eat a lot better thus, great gains!

Either way bro, I wish you great luck on your first foray into the game!

Skarn

 

[Dad]

Ira,

No, my first cycle was prescibed by a doc (back in the days when this was still done), and I did not use any anti-estrogens. I SHOULD have used anti-estrogens, but nobody really knew about that, so we'd use lower doses, but gain water weight, train like powerlifters most of the year, then switch to things like primbolan for contest prep as this doesn't aromatize into an estrogen.

All AAS are testoserone derivatives of one kind or another. The main differences are how much androgenic vs anabolic properties they have, and their half-life. This is greatly simplified, but correct. What you choose to use for a first cycle is kind of guesswork since you don't know at this point what your body will respond to, or what side effects will be issues for you. Some guys hold water like crazy, some get acne, some lose hair, others seem to miss all this. Whatever the sides, they will increase as the dosage increases. Some compounds will create fewer or no sides, but you really won't know until you try them. So...be sure to use anti-estrogen no matter what you take, especially if it's d-bol, anadrol, or one of the tests.

NEVER, let me repeat, NEVER have something sent to your house! Get a P.O. box, and NEVER sign for anything.

 

[Skarn]

NEVER, let me repeat, NEVER have something sent to your house! Get a P.O. box, and NEVER sign for anything.

Dad,

I'm curious as to why you say this??

I understand the con's, but P.O. boxes have cons as well. From what I understand if you do get a P.O. box, do not get one at a post office since that's federal property and they wouldn't need a warrant?

As for me personally, when I first started using the net for supplies, I asked all the vets and the general consensus was to not use a P.O. box, but to shipt to your house in your real name, but to ensure your house was clean.

Skarn

 

[Dad]

Skarn,

I can't comment on the warrants on federal property issue.

All I can say is that among the guys I talk to, no one thinks having stuff sent to your house is a good idea. People do it, but I'd never risk this personally. Certainly having the house clean and free of everything else is a good idea.

You want deniability, so to speak. Yuo might try PMing some of the other mods to see what their opinion is, but unless it's changed over the last year or so, my guess is they'll advize you to use a P.O. box.

Whatever you do, make sure it's a decision you've really researched, and know what the risks are before you have something sent.

 

[Ira]

dad and skarn

Thankyou for your advice on the first cycle, I really appreciate it. I am going to go with the test and the d-bol and just start with a smaller dosage. I will use nolva. for atleast 5 weeks following the test.

Dad is it ok if I pm you for some detailes, I am concerned with, about the shipping and the po-box. I would appreciate it. Thankyou.