Just started week 5 of 12

Lloyd1019 · Mar 14, 2011

Age 42, great diet, very good shape, alot of soccer for 20years.
Just started my 5th week of first cycle. I am running it for 14 weeks. My natural test was crazy low so weeks 1, 2 were ONLYtest-c at 400 and wk3 forward at 250 every 5 days. I actually get morning wood again after 20years of marriage. (Sry,got off track).
Currently on 2nd week of Deca at 175ish every 5days.
I will stay on this until week 14 and immediatley begin 100mg clomid weeks 1-2 and weeks 3-4 is clomid at 50mg along with
12.5 mg aromasin. Does this sound right?
Other information,
on this as well,SalPameto,MilkThistle,fishoil,nitricoxide,creatie,multivitimi, and my diet is over 5000 calories a day for 2+years, 550+carbs and protien 400+. (Benefits of running a restaurant)

Ness · Mar 14, 2011

You need to do a lot of work researching your drugs and the esters attached to them. Your pct timing is off and generally not that good. You also need to know when you may need AIs during your cycle as well. Get off deca, youre not using it long enough and you dont need it anyway. The test is enough. You should hire a trainer like Phil Hernon to put you on the right track. Too much to spill out here.

sammy555 · Mar 14, 2011

Agree with above. Only use the deca if you REALLY need it for joints.Wait about 16 days from last shot for pct. I think pct looks good though apart from that detail though although im not familier with using aromasin for pct but know people do.-good luck

sammy555 · Mar 14, 2011

Im assuming your quite a big guy at 5000+ cals a day for 2 years?

Lloyd1019 · Mar 14, 2011

thought i d a good plan

Ness said:
You need to do a lot of work researching your drugs and the esters attached to them. Your pct timing is off and generally not that good. You also need to know when you may need AIs during your cycle as well. Get off deca, youre not using it long enough and you dont need it anyway. The test is enough. You should hire a trainer like Phil Hernon to put you on the right track. Too much to spill out here.

I had read so many articles on Deca/Test that I thought that is the correct way togo. The pct came from a forum topic on th website. I will do a search for Phil and see what we can do. I have read so many thoughts on pct's that I thought I had it finally. Guess not, but I better figure it out fast..... I have several friends who are crazy big and on the testC and Deca, but I have a better overall shape, just not hugh like them

Lloyd1019 · Mar 14, 2011

not big actually

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sammy555 said:
Im assuming your quite a big guy at 5000+ cals a day for 2 years?

my weight averages 201
Most of the time. A little less now since I am off the vitargo.
As aggravating as it sounds, I am blessed with a metabolism that burns calories like a fire burns through a forest. (Props to.that saying by LEE LABRADA,back in the day).
42 and still happy to show he abs! Ihave a decent shape, but not big. I drink alot of milk, but now trying juice. You get the gisit .

SpudToStud · Mar 14, 2011

From my research your going to want to quit deca around week 12 or 13 run the test for 2 more weeks (week 14) then wait 7-10 days and start your PCT with clomid.

The goal is to have as much gear out of your system before starting your PCT.

Edit: For a longer cycle 12w+ I like to run my PCT like this, 200/100/100/50

hiflyer727 · Mar 15, 2011

The general consensus is , at least your first cycle, to use test, and keep the cycle to one drug. One drug because should something develope during the cycle you know exactly what is causing it. Test alone will do wonders for you, believe me. I was older then you when I did my first cycle, and it was test e..Results were fantastic. It's a simple cycle I still use, and I am 57 now.

Lloyd1019 · Mar 15, 2011

test only

ok, so even though I started the deca, go ahead and stop? Would it hurt to go ahead and complete this bottle and then complete with the test?

On the PCt, so many people with differant opinions. It becomes overwhelming at times.

Clomid only would be fine for PCT? Wait 3-4 weeks after cycle is done and then start with 100mg clomid and lower the dose to 50 for weeks 3-4. Is this adequate?

Ness · Mar 15, 2011

Yes stop deca now as it only complicates things at this stage. PCT, Id taper the test down over a week's time then wait another week or 2 to begin pct. Id use Clomid, a mild AI, and something good that stimulates the nads for a month or so. Get blood work done now and 2 months after pct is over.

Bodyguardfl78 · Mar 16, 2011

Lloyd1019 said:
ok, so even though I started the deca, go ahead and stop? Would it hurt to go ahead and complete this bottle and then complete with the test?

On the PCt, so many people with differant opinions. It becomes overwhelming at times.

Clomid only would be fine for PCT? Wait 3-4 weeks after cycle is done and then start with 100mg clomid and lower the dose to 50 for weeks 3-4. Is this adequate?

Yes you don want to wait cause the test c will be active in your system for about 2-3 weeks and you want to start PCT once the test is no longer active. Also I would recomment to add HCG when you start your clomid. You take the HCG for about 2 weeks and cont with Clomid and another anti-estrogen. You can start your anti-estrogen after your last shot, just hold off on the clomid and HCG.

Lloyd1019 · Mar 22, 2011

I appreciate all the assistance

For all those who posted a response, reply. Thank you for your assitance.

Lloyd1019 · Apr 1, 2011

finishing up 2nd btl test c

Just curious, I have seen very little physical change and my weight is back and forth at 197-202. Not much differance than when I started almost 8weeks ago. I am 100% sure it is not my diet or work out habits. Should I continue a few more weeks? Every 5 days 1.5cc test c. My seX drive is through the roof and performance is better so something must be happening. The brand s Tsunami and purchased from local gym rat.

KlingonFromUranus · Apr 2, 2011

250 mgs is not a big enough dose to have big changes in body composition in just 7 weeks in. If your getting huge sex drive then its working. I'm on trt at 160 mg/week and its not a drastic change and ive been on for 6 months plus. Your basically running a generous trt dose for a short 12 week 'cycle.'

KlingonFromUranus · Apr 2, 2011

Furthermore at that dose I would mostly expect higher energy levels and increased libido along with slow changes in fat distribution and harder/fuller muscle. Not much more.

bobbym17 · Apr 6, 2011

so it was 400 test the first 2 weeks than 250 every 5days? why every 5 days and not 7? if my math is correct that is the same as 350 a week. a 12 week cycle is 84 days so 350 a week times 12 weeks is a total test of 4200 250 test every 5 days to round things out would be 17 pins so 250 times 17 pins gives you 4250 total test so you are on a cycle equivilant to 350 every week not including the deca if you gona stay on the deca drop it 2 weeks b4 the test and start pct 14 days after yr last pin of test

Lloyd1019 · Apr 7, 2011

cycle

Yes on the rougly 350 a week. It was suggested by a friend to start out 400+ then drop it to twice a week at 350 ttl. This was only because this was my first cycle. I like the comment about muscles getting harder and a bit more lean with out putting on much weight. That seems to be my actual changes, along with stronger libdo. (Still think that might be more in my head) no pun intended there. I had read so many post on 15-20 pound gains on the first cycle. I guess I expected more on this one. I gained more on my August - January food bulking than on this test cycle. I am thinking my body just needed either a higher dose per week, or something else in general.

bobbym17 · Apr 7, 2011

I would think you would see some weight gain. i always do and the appetite always huge even if i keep that in check i still pick up a few lbs. and i am a hard gainer