Just to clarify big dosages still work 😅

[traininsane11]

More of a fun post than anything

Anyone who didn’t follow JP from the early years may think he’s full of shit with the TRT+ DHT phase that he’s been a big part of

But here’s a pic dating back some years to peak JP

His gear dosages would have been between like 3-8.5g…. Knowing JP closer to the latter + pharma GH as much as he could afford (no better than generic imo) and increlex (who knows if it did anything)

So yes for those wondering do stupid dosages actually help build beyond freak size physiques especially for the none hyper responders

 

[luki7788]

don't take it the wrong way but I don't know, I don't really understand what this post is supposed to contribute - if you are as dedicated to bodybuilding as JP then of course adding huge doses to that you will be huge - nothing surprising

 

[traininsane11]

don't take it the wrong way but I don't know, I don't really understand what this post is supposed to contribute - if you are as dedicated to bodybuilding as JP then of course adding huge doses to that you will be huge - nothing surprising

Nothing particularly but a lot of newer/younger guys to the scene will of missed this era and of come into it during the TRT solves everything era so potentially insightful for them and for the rest of us just nostalgia before everything became about marketing

 

[traininsane11]

JP comments further down he was around 312lbs in this pic at about 5.6ft and he lived down a short road and when he took the dog a walk he would have to take a folding chair because he wouldn’t be able
To make it otherwise he was on another level

 

[luki7788]

but the era of "massmonsters" is over now aesthetics count - I myself have always been a fan of the biggest freaks but with age and experience I changed my mind because I know that you can be someone like that only for a moment and then you are ruined for the rest of your life and if you don't do it quickly and don't abuse it you can still look great even at 45+ and not finish bodybuilding at the age of 30-35 because you have destroyed your body and health and you have to stop and be an ordinary Joe if you want to live

 

[traininsane11]

but the era of "massmonsters" is over now aesthetics count - I myself have always been a fan of the biggest freaks but with age and experience I changed my mind because I know that you can be someone like that only for a moment and then you are ruined for the rest of your life and if you don't do it quickly and don't abuse it you can still look great even at 45+ and not finish bodybuilding at the age of 30-35 because you have destroyed your body and health and you have to stop and be an ordinary Joe if you want to live

Very wise words. Hyper responders aside to get massive obviously high dosages are required but even then there’s still a cut off and trying to rush the matter taking excessive amounts (as JP self admittedly did) will eventually come around to bite you in the ass. There still has to be method in the madness if
You want to last the course and not pay an overly unnecessary price in my opinion

 

[luki7788]

Very wise words. Hyper responders aside to get massive obviously high dosages are required but even then there’s still a cut off and trying to rush the matter taking excessive amounts (as JP self admittedly did) will eventually come around to bite you in the ass. There still has to be method in the madness if
You want to last the course and not pay an overly unnecessary price in my opinion

you can and should push the gear up over time but you have to remember that nothing will speed up the growth rate of real tissue even the largest doses of gear - it's true it will be more in size but it's only sarcoplasm and if you want to get real myofibrillar growth you need a lot of time and gear won't speed it up

 

[specter]

Followed JP since like 2014-2015 and was coached by him at one point, then i went to jail so that sucked
But always was he honest, no BS about doses or crazy stuff he did, when he used MethylTren as a pre wo and you would see him foaming at the mouth during sets because he was so blasted up fuckin loved it..

 

[d4ve]

Followed JP since like 2014-2015 and was coached by him at one point, then i went to jail so that sucked
But always was he honest, no BS about doses or crazy stuff he did, when he used MethylTren as a pre wo and you would see him foaming at the mouth during sets because he was so blasted up fuckin loved it..

LOL.

From a tissue growth standpoint, I don't really see the point of using orals. Like @luki7788 said, there's only so much you can do to speed up myofibrillar growth, and a temporary boost in the gym is very unlikely to do it. It's fun, but if you're training hard and intelligently, you're probably already producing the maximal stimulus for growth. From there, how much you gain is a question of nutrients + hormones...but again, that's after the stimulus has been produced.

IMO it's putting the cart before the horse. Long-term, you want to get stronger because you got bigger. (Over)simplifying it -

1. You stimulate growth in the gym
2. Your muscles get bigger because of the growth stimulus + food + hormones
3. You are now stronger because your muscles are bigger

In other words, you'll ultimately have to do "more" as you get bigger, if you want to keep on getting even bigger - more weight, more reps, more control - whatever equals more tension in the muscle.

Obviously there are neuromuscular adaptations, as well, but if you're training for bodybuilding that's not the primary goal.

 

[specter]

LOL.

From a tissue growth standpoint, I don't really see the point of using orals. Like @luki7788 said, there's only so much you can do to speed up myofibrillar growth, and a temporary boost in the gym is very unlikely to do it. It's fun, but if you're training hard and intelligently, you're probably already producing the maximal stimulus for growth. From there, how much you gain is a question of nutrients + hormones...but again, that's after the stimulus has been produced.

IMO it's putting the cart before the horse. Long-term, you want to get stronger because you got bigger. (Over)simplifying it -

1. You stimulate growth in the gym
2. Your muscles get bigger because of the growth stimulus + food + hormones
3. You are now stronger because your muscles are bigger

In other words, you'll ultimately have to do "more" as you get bigger, if you want to keep on getting even bigger - more weight, more reps, more control - whatever equals more tension in the muscle.

Obviously there are neuromuscular adaptations, as well, but if you're training for bodybuilding that's not the primary goal.

Orals ? The Mtren he used and i used was injectable also sometimes you just do stupid shit because its fun and you only live once

 

[traininsane11]

LOL.

From a tissue growth standpoint, I don't really see the point of using orals. Like @luki7788 said, there's only so much you can do to speed up myofibrillar growth, and a temporary boost in the gym is very unlikely to do it. It's fun, but if you're training hard and intelligently, you're probably already producing the maximal stimulus for growth. From there, how much you gain is a question of nutrients + hormones...but again, that's after the stimulus has been produced.

IMO it's putting the cart before the horse. Long-term, you want to get stronger because you got bigger. (Over)simplifying it -

1. You stimulate growth in the gym
2. Your muscles get bigger because of the growth stimulus + food + hormones
3. You are now stronger because your muscles are bigger

In other words, you'll ultimately have to do "more" as you get bigger, if you want to keep on getting even bigger - more weight, more reps, more control - whatever equals more tension in the muscle.

Obviously there are neuromuscular adaptations, as well, but if you're training for bodybuilding that's not the primary goal.

Yeah I never really got the logic behind using orals or stuff like Mtren from a bodybuilding standpoint (outside of cosmetically on a prep) like yeah brilliant
You’ve added 10lbs to a lift within a couple of weeks and managed to not get injured then a few weeks later when
You stop using them you’re probably going to lose the performance benefit and either end up injured or back down on weights

Such a short sighted approach in a long term endeavour

 

[d4ve]

Orals ? The Mtren he used and i used was injectable also sometimes you just do stupid shit because its fun and you only live once

In that case, load it up

I will say, someone gave me a CC of no-ester tren at a powerlifting meet once, right before deadlifts. Best pull of my life, shit was flying. And I swear I could taste the shit on my breath a few minutes after injecting.

 

[aHarness]

I think you’re preaching to the wrong audience here man. Not sure what this post was for.

 

[bbxtreme]

but the era of "massmonsters" is over now aesthetics count - I myself have always been a fan of the biggest freaks but with age and experience I changed my mind because I know that you can be someone like that only for a moment and then you are ruined for the rest of your life and if you don't do it quickly and don't abuse it you can still look great even at 45+ and not finish bodybuilding at the age of 30-35 because you have destroyed your body and health and you have to stop and be an ordinary Joe if you want to live

Everybody needs to screen shot this and forget about the nonsense on the JP post.

Since I met @luki7788 years ago and until this day he continues to tell me the same thing- “use lower dosages and eat less protein and you’ll be a better bodybuilder for it”

Guess what- he’s been right every single time. You want to blast the dosages or over eat, over train, have at it, but you will get diminishing returns that set you further back and cost you down the road.

Most guys will still do those things, but the best advice I have from them is get it out of your system as fast as you can because the sooner you do the sooner you can truly start “bodybuilding”.

 

[3BILLS]

Luki for the win


Also hany just retired. Saves starting a new thread

 

[bbxtreme]

Luki for the win


Also hany just retired. Saves starting a new thread

I thought you were kidding. Where will Derek go will be the next thread I’m sure.

 

[3BILLS]

I thought you were kidding. Where will Derek go will be the next thread I’m sure.

What about hadi

 

[JJT]

you can and should push the gear up over time but you have to remember that nothing will speed up the growth rate of real tissue even the largest doses of gear - it's true it will be more in size but it's only sarcoplasm and if you want to get real myofibrillar growth you need a lot of time and gear won't speed it up

Does this apply for GH as well? Since the access and prices have come down most competitors (even gymrats) are running 10iu per day minimum.

 

[slesh]

Didn’t need clarification

 

[td]

Everyone is allowed to change their minds and, in fact, it should be encouraged as an individual learns and progresses.

The thing that can irk me about JP is whatever he's currently doing is "the way." Back then, it was pounding food, insulin and drugs. When he left bodybuilding, all anyone needs is TRT+. Now that he's pushing again, he admits more drugs means more muscle. And the upper/lower split is far superior to anything else.

His minions claim that moving from push/pull/lower to upper/lower revolutionized their training in months.

I just roll my eyes and know that I'm not his target audience.