actually im not using ephedrine but rather psudoephedrine since thats all i could find and i read that it should kill my appetite just as well...im taking psudo, caffine, and asprin and im also talking a half of a trazadone, i read that trazadone released seratonin and this also kills appetite and this is why phen fen worked so well, perhaps psudo wont burn as much fat as ephadrine but if i can shut off my hunger i should do well, my hunger is the biggest problem, i will let you know if it works..its only been like 20 min and im already feeling a little less hungry but i could still eat, i was hungry when i took the pills...anyway, i hope this works.