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kidney failure...

200g protein per day isnt high at all. I may be wrong but kidney problems from protein are a myth as long as your properly hydrated.

agreed 200 isnt high.. im on more then that and im probably half ur size..
 
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GFR? My bun/creat is usually elevated.I will get him to ''refer'' me to a kidney specialist when i get blood drawn,My BP is ok....creaping on up there(gettin older)usually 129/85 i believe high bp is for sure bad for the kidneys right?So this is for sure''abnormal" ?But not too serious?Should i be very concerened?I am on TRT250mg/wk,and have been for a while,guess i should not even think about a ''blast''?Thank you so much Phil....i feel a little queezy now!

Elevated BUN and creatinine could be a sign of dehydration.....I REALLY would not worry.............but 30 years from now it could progress.....go get checked now.
GFR=Glomular filtration rate....
 
Thanks Phil..

I/ll get it checked after my next dr visit and post up outcome if anyone is interested and thanks again PHIL!!!!!
 
Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more!:;ood-smil:;ood-smil

ull need to find new material for the next 8 weeks sorry im on nothing at all now try again :)
 
You just said you are on now more than him.......now you say you are off??? I think you are on " other" things.........:fo;d-smil

ya im on more then 200 g of protein.. learn to read...
 
kidney dialysis kidney transplant

Ok. my sister is a nurse.
also, she knows that i am on ASS and taking high proteins everyday.

She told me that there are many patients who have worst kidney conditon from using ASS and eating high proteins.
They are doing on kidney dialysis and kidney transplant...

Actually, i doubt it... but it can be true....

Also, if someone have high Creatine range, he cannot return it to nomal range.

Doctors also said to me...

But other people told me that that's normal for athletes...


Maybe the problem is that you are taking ASS... You should look into anabolic androgenic steroids which are also referred to as AAS.
 
Any athlete with above normal amounts of lean muscle tissue will have elevated creatinine levels. If your level gets to 2.0, then worry! Mine has been 1.38 and my doctor has told me time and time again that it is due to having more muscle than the average person.
 
Have posted this several times in the past, but thought I would share here too to help put your mind at ease with protein consumption.

While working in an ER at the local hospital at the time. I had access to chem strips etc. I had a nurse tell me that eating too much protein was bad for me too. I see a pattern with nurses here. lol Just playin, I worked with alot of great nurses too. Anyway, I decided to put myself through the ringer. I ate upwards of 500g of protein every day for a week or so, then tested my urine. So long as I was hydrated properly, not once did I ever see traces of protein in my urine.

if your kidneys are healthy, you have nothing to worry about. The only time you will ever here a nephrologist telling someone they need to cut their protien is to someone that has pre-existing kidney issues or something that would have caused the problem. Yes, oral aas can do it, I believe tren is also hard on the kidneys too, but I don't have as much experience with that one.

Oh, I'm new here. lol Hi :)
 
Any athlete with above normal amounts of lean muscle tissue will have elevated creatinine levels. If your level gets to 2.0, then worry! Mine has been 1.38 and my doctor has told me time and time again that it is due to having more muscle than the average person.
x2. Exactly what I was going to say.
 
Any athlete with above normal amounts of lean muscle tissue will have elevated creatinine levels. If your level gets to 2.0, then worry! Mine has been 1.38 and my doctor has told me time and time again that it is due to having more muscle than the average person.

I concur. My doc has always told me this since I was an adolescent. Creatine levels will be higher in active persons even children who are very active. I'm not talking about high levels over a long period time. I'm talking about slightly-moderate higher that average levels.


I remember him saying he see a lot of children end of summer for school physicals and some parents would have lab work done and get upset because creatine levels were high. He said it was from them being active all summer at camps etc., which they usually were not during school year.

Not to ignore a constant high levels, which be a sign dehydration like Phil said or kidney malfunction.
 
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Any athlete with above normal amounts of lean muscle tissue will have elevated creatinine levels. If your level gets to 2.0, then worry! Mine has been 1.38 and my doctor has told me time and time again that it is due to having more muscle than the average person.

I disagree..........mine was 2.8 one week....1.9 the next.....dont jump the gun, it could be medications.......muscle mass, creatine usage, BP meds.....all raise it.......dehydration......its like a BP reading, dont take just 1..GFR is acid test, have that done......
 
Creatinine

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Creatinine is a break-down product of creatine phosphate in muscle, and is usually produced at a fairly constant rate by the body (depending on muscle mass).

Physiology

Creatinine is mainly filtered by the kidney, though a small amount is actively secreted. There is little-to-no tubular reabsorption of creatinine. If the filtering of the kidney is deficient, blood levels rise. As a result, creatinine levels in blood and urine may be used to calculate the creatinine clearance(ClCr), which reflects the glomerular filtration rate (GFR). The GFR is clinically important because it is a measurement of renal function. However, in cases of severe renal dysfunction, the creatinine clearance rate will be "overestimated" because the active secretion of creatinine will account for a larger fraction of the total creatinine cleared. Ketoacids, cimetidine and trimethoprim reduce creatinine tubular secretion and therefore increase the accuracy of the GFR estimate, particularly in severe renal dysfunction. (In the absence of secretion, creatinine behaves like inulin.)A more complete estimation of renal function can be made when interpreting the blood (plasma) concentration of creatinine along with that of urea. In the USA, urea concentration is given as blood urea nitrogen, in mg/dL. In other countries, including those of Europe, urea concentration is measured and quoted in mmol/L.BUN-to-creatinine ratio; ratio of urea to creatinine can indicate other problems besides those intrinsic to the kidney for example, a urea level raised out of proportion to the creatinine may indicate a pre-renal problem such as dehydration.Men tend to have higher levels of creatinine because they have more skeletal muscle than women. Vegetarians tend to have lower creatinine levels, because vegetables contain no creatine.

Diagnostic use

Measuring serum creatinine is a simple test and it is the most commonly used indicator of renal function. A rise in blood creatinine levels is observed only with marked damage to functioning nephrons. Therefore, this test is not suitable for detecting early stage kidney disease. A better estimation of kidney function is given by the creatinine clearance test. Creatinine clearance can be accurately calculated using serum creatinine concentration and some or all of the following variables: sex, age, weight, and race as suggested by the American Diabetes Association without a 24 hour urine collection. [cite journal |author=Gross JL, de Azevedo MJ, Silveiro SP, Canani LH, Caramori ML, Zelmanovitz T |title=Diabetic nephropathy: diagnosis, prevention, and treatment |journal=Diabetes Care |volume=28 |issue=1 |pages=164–76 |year=2005 |pmid=15616252| doi = 10.2337/diacare.28.1.164] Some laboratories will calculate the ClCr if written on the pathology request form; and, the necessary age, sex, and weight are included in the patient information.

Creatinine concentration is also checked during standard urine drug tests. High creatinine levels indicate an unadulterated test while low amounts of creatinine in the urine indicate an manipulated test, either through the addition of water in the sample or by drinking excessive amounts of water.

Interpretation

In the United States, creatinine is typically reported in mg/dL, while in Canada and Europe μmol/litre may be used. 1 mg/dL of creatinine is 88.4 μmol/L.

The typical reference ranges are 0.5 to 1.0 mg/dL (about 45-90 μmol/L) for women and 0.7 to 1.2 mg/dL (60-110 μmol/L) for men. While a baseline serum creatinine of 2.0 mg/dL (150 μmol/L) may indicate normal kidney function in a male body builder, a serum creatinine of 1.2 mg/dL (110 μmol/L) can indicate significant renal disease in a frail old woman.

More important than absolute creatinine level is the trend of serum creatinine levels over time.

Creatinine levels may increase when ACE inhibitors (ACEI) or angiotensin-II receptor blockers (ARBs) are used in the treatment of chronic heart failure (CHF). Using both ACEI & ARB concomitantly will increase creatinine levels to a greater degree than either of the two drugs would individually. An increase of <30% is to be expected with ACEI or ARB use.

CT Scans

The creatinine level is usually measured before performing a contrast-enhanced Computed tomography (CT) scan. In a small proportion of patients the administration of iodine based contrast can cause kidney damage. This may be more likely or severe in patients with an elevated baseline serum creatinine level and, again, in rare cases may require temporary or permanent dialysis. The risk can be reduced somewhat in higher-risk patients by choosing a low-osmolality contrast medium.

See also

*Cystatin C - novel marker of kidney function.
*Creatinine clearance
 
I disagree..........mine was 2.8 one week....1.9 the next.....dont jump the gun, it could be medications.......muscle mass, creatine usage, BP meds.....all raise it.......dehydration......its like a BP reading, dont take just 1..GFR is acid test, have that done......

Good info.
 
My story

I was denied life insurance due to excess protein in my urine. First I had ever heard of it. It was simply never tested before. All other kidney values in normal range. After a plethora of tests and a biopsy, I have a condition called focal segmental glomerular sclerosis where there is excess pressue on the glomerus allowing protein to escape. Likely the condition is inherent, as they could find no other cause (even AAS). Doc switched me to an ACE inhibitor and the protein has decreased to the point where its almost at normal (i.e., negligible) levels. All other kidney values remain in normal range. I also started gh around the time of the switch to the ACE inhibitor and this may have also proved beneficial. There is almost zero likelihood it will ever escalate to kidney failure.

It just goes to show you that until you have a definitive diagnosis, kidney blood/urine tests are just guides, and it is worth the extra testing to determine the culprit. It could be bad news, or it could be neither good nor bad (like me), but its much better to know than speculate.
 

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