Kidney/Heart Damage: There is hope!!! A recovery story...

[MouthBreather1982]

Balco labs (Victor Conte) tested in 1999, steroids given to him by IFBB pros from UG suppliers, they all contained some heavy metals.( lead, tin, arsenic,mercury,cadmium).

How do they get there? does filtering them not help?

 

[MouthBreather1982]

Never give up the fight! I have you in my prayers and thoughts. My dad suffered something similar with his heart and kidneys.....stents, 4 bypasses, dialysis, all before the age of 52.

But his issues were a result of unmanaged high blood pressure and diabetes for years. He has made a complete turn around in his labs and health with the proper diet, regulating his insulin, and mild exercise that he can perform....but the key is/was persistence.

I'm rooting for you man!!

How high was his blood pressure?

 

[MouthBreather1982]

Super rare condition. The main concern with bodybuilding drugs is the scaring and narrowing of the vessels in the kidney region. Lisinopril/ ACE inh. can help greatly to ease the the abuse the kidneys suffered but the damage is largely permanent.

did you ever hear of a side affect of Lisenprol or ace inhibitors that leave people with a persistent cough or mucus stuck in throat? my step dad stopped taking it for the reason and I was just curious since i have been taking it and have had a bad cough for several weeks.



I would like to thank the OP for this thread and having the balls to post. I have been getting out of control myself with gear mostly chasing libido more so than size.. Running higher test and my blood pressure has been getting high because of that and my stim and caffeine use really drive it high. Im going to drop my test back down low and focus on getting my body weight lower and cutting the stims down. I also need to get some blood work done. Its weird but my blood pressure was never a problem in the past. I developed a Right bundle branch block out of nowhere about a year ago. Supposedly everything is fine after my sonogram and stress test and the RBBB doesn't mean much as far as heart health in concerned. I just happen to have borderline high blood pressure that got high during the stress test and gets really high with caffeine.
On a side note your going to look much better once you get very lean and you will still be a huge guy.

sorry for the multiple posts but Im reading through this thread and cant help but comment as I read the replies.

 

[MouthBreather1982]

As I have posted on here before, all my prior AAS using dialysis patients all admitted to tren use at or above 800 mg a week. That, combined with the other AAS thickening the blood, high protein diets and hypertension.......the kidneys have no chance. The longer this envelope is pushed the greater the probability that one will need dialysis as they reach the point of no return. You were probably months from that point so its great things are turning around.

How much does donating blood help with thickening of blood?


Sorry for multiple posts, I dont know how to include them in one and didnt realize how many in a row I had till just now lol.

 

[rmtt]

How high was his blood pressure?

He went for years ignoring it. But typically would check it when I "make" him...and it would always be 140+ on top...and 95+ on the bottom.

Lived with it for so long like that, that he got use to feeling like he did..like that was his "norm".

When he finally got and stayed on BP medicine, he felt like crap for a few weeks until his body adjusted to it being in range like it should be.

 

[nothuman]

I went for blood work a few weeks ago with my GP as part of a physical, my eGFR was down to 47 and my creatinine was up to 1.67, so I was pretty pissed. I waited a few weeks and did a 24 hour creatinine clearance with my Kidney doctor with blood work. Funny I went to the Kidney doc today and he did not seem concerned at all about my kidneys. According to him, the eGFR is artificially low and the creatinine clearance came out to 74, he said they usually take the average which would be about 61, so I am ok.....I felt better.

He was more concerned about my cholesterol, which was 197. I take crestor, but stopped for a couple months. He said the LDL is the most important # (which was 147) and I should stay on my statin.

quack....let me guess, he didn’t test your inflammation levels

 

[upeccmi]

Inflammation levels? How would you do that, what test does this, would that be your CPK #?
I went to a heart specialist last year and had a full stress test, ultrasound and EKG and all showed ok, that doctor put me on the crestor because my Cholesterol was 315 at the time, the HDL and LDLs were out of whack as well.

 

[mike036]

Inflammation levels? How would you do that, what test does this, would that be your CPK #?
I went to a heart specialist last year and had a full stress test, ultrasound and EKG and all showed ok, that doctor put me on the crestor because my Cholesterol was 315 at the time, the HDL and LDLs were out of whack as well.

C-reactive protein is used to check for inflammation.The lower the number the better.I had mine checked a couple of months ago and it was 0.3 with the reference range at Labcorp being 0.0-4.9mg/L

 

[needthepump]

did you ever hear of a side affect of Lisenprol or ace inhibitors that leave people with a persistent cough or mucus stuck in throat? my step dad stopped taking it for the reason and I was just curious since i have been taking it and have had a bad cough for several weeks.


I would like to thank the OP for this thread and having the balls to post. I have been getting out of control myself with gear mostly chasing libido more so than size.. Running higher test and my blood pressure has been getting high because of that and my stim and caffeine use really drive it high. Im going to drop my test back down low and focus on getting my body weight lower and cutting the stims down. I also need to get some blood work done. Its weird but my blood pressure was never a problem in the past. I developed a Right bundle branch block out of nowhere about a year ago. Supposedly everything is fine after my sonogram and stress test and the RBBB doesn't mean much as far as heart health in concerned. I just happen to have borderline high blood pressure that got high during the stress test and gets really high with caffeine.
On a side note your going to look much better once you get very lean and you will still be a huge guy.

sorry for the multiple posts but Im reading through this thread and cant help but comment as I read the replies.

A chronic cough and angioedema ( facial swelling) are the most common reasons people stop taking ace inhibs. High potassium being another reason
Rbbb is generally not a concern....it's good to know you have it but it is not anywhere near the dangerous heart blocks.

I can run high test and it doesn't effect my BP. Deca does though.

 

[needthepump]

How much does donating blood help with thickening of blood?


Sorry for multiple posts, I dont know how to include them in one and didnt realize how many in a row I had till just now lol.

It helps greatly. The key is to focus the donation on your issue. For example, my platelets are borderline low at 140-150k. Donating platelets would do me more harm then good (potential bleeding risk). If you run on the high side of platelets (350k plus) you should donate platelets every so often. Unlike RBC's, hemoglobin and hemocrit which all rise when you use gear, platelets are largely genetic.... meaning you either low low medium or on the high end. If you go back over your platelet levels over the years you will see a trend. The exception to this is if you have liver disease.... your platelets can drop to dangerously low levels.

The people highest at risk for heart attacks and strokes have high blood pressure, high platelets, high hct, and high hemoglobin etc. Using stimulants just throws fuel on the fire as they squeeze your vessels tight combined with thick blood....all bad.

 

[needthepump]

Inflammation levels? How would you do that, what test does this, would that be your CPK #?
I went to a heart specialist last year and had a full stress test, ultrasound and EKG and all showed ok, that doctor put me on the crestor because my Cholesterol was 315 at the time, the HDL and LDLs were out of whack as well.

A sed rate or esr is another great inflammation test.

 

[rmtt]

It helps greatly. The key is to focus the donation on your issue. For example, my platelets are borderline low at 140-150k. Donating platelets would do me more harm then good (potential bleeding risk). If you run on the high side of platelets (350k plus) you should donate platelets every so often. Unlike RBC's, hemoglobin and hemocrit which all rise when you use gear, platelets are largely genetic.... meaning you either low low medium or on the high end. If you go back over your platelet levels over the years you will see a trend. The exception to this is if you have liver disease.... your platelets can drop to dangerously low levels.

The people highest at risk for heart attacks and strokes have high blood pressure, high platelets, high hct, and high hemoglobin etc. Using stimulants just throws fuel on the fire as they squeeze your vessels tight combined with thick blood....all bad.

I asked in a thread earlier if donating platelets lowered hemoglobin and hemotocrit...but didn't get many replies.

All my numbers were good when I went to donate earlier, but they did ask me if I would be interested in giving platelets as I was around 300k I believe and they said anything above 250k were prime candidates for this.

I figured if it did lower the others, I could kill two birds with one stone while still helping out those in need.

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[Stewie]

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I asked in a thread earlier if donating platelets lowered hemoglobin and hemotocrit...but didn't get many replies.

All my numbers were good when I went to donate earlier, but they did ask me if I would be interested in giving platelets as I was around 300k I believe and they said anything above 250k were prime candidates for this.

I figured if it did lower the others, I could kill two birds with one stone while still helping out those in need.

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Minusculely, not to a therapeutic degree. Although, long-term repeated Apheresis could potentially set the stage for iron deficiency. Which would be relative to the individual's iron consumption.

 

[rmtt]

Minusculely, not to a therapeutic degree. Although, long-term repeated Apheresis could potentially set the stage for iron deficiency. Which would be relative to the individual's iron consumption.

Thanks for the clear response. I may just alternate between the two types of donations. My numbers have never dictated that I actually need to give, but I had always tried to.

Even during one period when I used probably 2x the amount I blast with now (I think I was on about 600-650mg total). But I went a long time between donating as they had closed the one blood bank close to me down. Now they have a new one within 10 minutes of me.

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