Kidney Supps

[Aikman56]

This stuff? I got it but at the 5 grams a day everyone suggested it’s more than my anavar daily cost. No im not saying theres research data though tons of guys on here said astragalus is renal protective, what im saying is a super smart insanely connected-Farah, Prisk , etc. got lupus nephritis in her 50s and thru talking to the people in our industry the ones who have medical knowledge put her on this little combo along with the basic kidney diet and her EGFR went up significantly after a few months and has stayed up for years. I’m not saying it’s dbl blind placebo controlled but I’ll say in 3 weeks mine was at 28 then to 24 bc the VA gambled on lisinopril (in some patients it drops creatinine in others it tanks your kidney, I got the latter-in icu with potassium at 7.0 and EGFR of 16). So over those 3 weeks it went from 24 to 30 it hadn’t cracked 28 since we started testing in July. It’s just trying to do my best my kidneys were fine pre covid vax so it wasn’t “the life”. I’m told if I take stresss off it and do my best the 60% remaining kidneys should be fine but yes I could be on dialysis in a year we just don’t know yet. Only thing I know is I’m gonna not getting a transplant I’ll do dialysis if it comes to it
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Right now vitamin shop is BOGO. $24.95 for 300 capsules and 500mg per capsule. 6 g a day is going to cost you $.75 daily.
5g is $0.625 daily.

 

[3BILLS]

This stuff? I got it but at the 5 grams a day everyone suggested it’s more than my anavar daily cost. No im not saying theres research data though tons of guys on here said astragalus is renal protective, what im saying is a super smart insanely connected-Farah, Prisk , etc. got lupus nephritis in her 50s and thru talking to the people in our industry the ones who have medical knowledge put her on this little combo along with the basic kidney diet and her EGFR went up significantly after a few months and has stayed up for years. I’m not saying it’s dbl blind placebo controlled but I’ll say in 3 weeks mine was at 28 then to 24 bc the VA gambled on lisinopril (in some patients it drops creatinine in others it tanks your kidney, I got the latter-in icu with potassium at 7.0 and EGFR of 16). So over those 3 weeks it went from 24 to 30 it hadn’t cracked 28 since we started testing in July. It’s just trying to do my best my kidneys were fine pre covid vax so it wasn’t “the life”. I’m told if I take stresss off it and do my best the 60% remaining kidneys should be fine but yes I could be on dialysis in a year we just don’t know yet. Only thing I know is I’m gonna not getting a transplant I’ll do dialysis if it comes to it
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Your hands look soft

 

[Flex500]

I always tell everyone check out vitacost. Been using their astragalus for years and see the difference in my bloods. Their brand is super high quality.

Oh also VITABRANDS gives you 30% off their brand right now.

I have no affiliation whatsoever with them. Been using them for a decade though.

 

[aHarness]

This stuff? I got it but at the 5 grams a day everyone suggested it’s more than my anavar daily cost. No im not saying theres research data though tons of guys on here said astragalus is renal protective, what im saying is a super smart insanely connected-Farah, Prisk , etc. got lupus nephritis in her 50s and thru talking to the people in our industry the ones who have medical knowledge put her on this little combo along with the basic kidney diet and her EGFR went up significantly after a few months and has stayed up for years. I’m not saying it’s dbl blind placebo controlled but I’ll say in 3 weeks mine was at 28 then to 24 bc the VA gambled on lisinopril (in some patients it drops creatinine in others it tanks your kidney, I got the latter-in icu with potassium at 7.0 and EGFR of 16). So over those 3 weeks it went from 24 to 30 it hadn’t cracked 28 since we started testing in July. It’s just trying to do my best my kidneys were fine pre covid vax so it wasn’t “the life”. I’m told if I take stresss off it and do my best the 60% remaining kidneys should be fine but yes I could be on dialysis in a year we just don’t know yet. Only thing I know is I’m gonna not getting a transplant I’ll do dialysis if it comes to it
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I think you completely misunderstood my comment

 

[whacked]

Tudca ? @bbxtreme

Good call 3B & BBX……

Tauroursodeoxycholic acid (TUDCA) may help with kidney function in a number of ways, including:

• Preventing renal damage
  TUDCA can protect against renal damage caused by chronic high salt diets. It can also reduce the excretion of kidney injury markers.
  
  
• Inhibiting renal fibrosis
  TUDCA can inhibit the TGF-β1-induced renal fibrosis markers in cultured renal mesangial cells. It can also delay the process of renal mesangial cell fibrosis.
  
  
• • Improving kidney function
    TUDCA can improve kidney function by inhibiting ER stress.
  • Restoring renal function
    TUDCA can restore renal function decline when combined with conventional telmisartan treatment.

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Tauroursodeoxycholic acid (TUDCA) abolishes chronic high salt-induced renal injury and inflammation - PMC

Chronic high salt intake exaggerates renal injury and inflammation, especially with the loss of functional ETB receptors. Tauroursodeoxycholic acid (TUDCA) is a chemical chaperone and bile salt that is approved for the treatment of hepatic diseases. ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Poppapump49]

If the small tubes in your kidneys (nephrons) become damaged, they unfortunately cannot repair or rejuvenate themselves like the liver can. The focus should be on stabilizing kidney function and preventing further damage. Here are some key steps to consider:

1. Control Blood Pressure
Aim for a blood pressure of 120/80 mmHg or lower. High blood pressure is a leading cause of kidney damage, so managing it is critical.


2. Test for Proteinuria
Get a urine test to check for protein in your urine (proteinuria). Protein in the urine is a sign of kidney damage and accelerates its progression. If detected, aggressive management is needed.


3. Medication Options

ARBs (Angiotensin II Receptor Blockers): These are first-line medications for protecting kidney function and reducing proteinuria. Ensure you are on the maximum safe dose as advised by your doctor.

SGLT2 Inhibitors and GLP-1 Receptor Agonists: These newer medications are highly protective for kidney health and also help control proteinuria. They may be particularly beneficial for patients with diabetes or early kidney decline.



4. Manage Water Retention
ARBs can help reduce water retention as they act on the renin-angiotensin system, which regulates fluid and salt balance in the body.


5. Supplements
Consider supplements that may support kidney health:

Astragalus: Up to 10 grams daily in severe cases.

Grape Seed Extract: A natural antioxidant that may offer kidney protection.

Cordyceps: Research suggests this medicinal fungus can help reduce kidney damage.



6. Dietary Adjustments
Reduce dietary protein intake if kidney function is declining. Avoid excess red meat and consider a plant-based diet for kidney health. If a vegetarian diet is not feasible, focus on lean proteins like fish or poultry in moderation.


7. Lifestyle Changes
Stay hydrated but avoid overhydration.
Limit salt intake to reduce strain on the kidneys.
Exercise regularly but avoid overly strenuous activities that could increase stress on the kidneys.



For additional guidance, refer to reputable sources, such as the work of Dante Trudel, who has written extensively about kidney health and protective strategies. Always consult your healthcare provider before making significant changes to your treatment plan.

 

[TripppleP]

Thank you so much for your quick replies and how you are always around to give great information!
One last thing on this and then I promise to leave you alone… With regard to compression socks. I did buy some several months back, but they didn’t seem to work very well. Maybe I bought a bad brand. Is there a brand or specific medical grade that you know of or would recommend for someone in the states?
Thank you again!

The docs I work with recommend 20-30mmHG for compression socks for edema.

 

[Aikman56]

The docs I work with recommend 20-30mmHG for compression socks for edema.

Thank you!

 

[marssel]

I think you completely misunderstood my comment

Maybe if you wanna clarify I’ll answer bro

 

[whacked]

This Rehmannia stuff looks promising
Link ….

Amazon.com

While Vitamin Shoppe brand Astragulus is probably still king (thanks DoggCrap); I plan to add this for an additional boost. No taste so I went with the power vs pills.

*I may add TUDCA + Cordyceps at some point as well

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In Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM), rehmannia (Rehmannia glutinosa) is considered beneficial for kidney function, particularly for "Kidney Yin" deficiency, as it is believed to nourish and support the kidneys, potentially helping with conditions like chronic kidney disease (CKD) by reducing proteinuria (excess protein in urine) and protecting against renal damage; however, while research shows some promising effects, more clinical trials are needed to fully establish its effectiveness for kidney health.

Key points about rehmannia and kidney function:

• Traditional use:
  Rehmannia is commonly used in TCM formulas like "Liuwei Dihuang Wan" which are specifically designed to nourish kidney yin and are often prescribed for symptoms associated with kidney weakness, including fatigue, night sweats, and frequent urination.
  
  
• Potential benefits:
  Studies have shown that rehmannia may help to reduce markers of kidney damage like proteinuria, protect against renal fibrosis, and improve kidney function in animal models of kidney disease.
  
  
• Mechanism of action:
  Researchers believe that the bioactive compounds in rehmannia may exert antioxidant and anti-inflammatory effects within the kidney tissue, potentially contributing to its protective role.
  
  
• https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19146934/ …..
• Results: Rehmannia glutinosa reduced the serum creatinine level, 24-h urinary protein excretion, and glomerulosclerosis, and it also inhibited the expression of angiotensin II, AT(1) receptor, TGF-beta1 and type IV collagen in the renal cortex.
  
  Conclusions: These results suggest that the renoprotective effect of Rehmannia glutinosa might be mediated by suppressing the expression of angiotensin II and AT(1) receptor and by regulating TGF-beta1 and type IV collagen expression.

 

[whacked]

This Rehmannia stuff looks promising
Link ….

Amazon.com

While Vitamin Shoppe brand Astragulus is probably still king (thanks DoggCrap); I plan to add this for an additional boost. No taste so I went with the power vs pills.

*I may add TUDCA + Cordyceps at some point as well

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In Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM), rehmannia (Rehmannia glutinosa) is considered beneficial for kidney function, particularly for "Kidney Yin" deficiency, as it is believed to nourish and support the kidneys, potentially helping with conditions like chronic kidney disease (CKD) by reducing proteinuria (excess protein in urine) and protecting against renal damage; however, while research shows some promising effects, more clinical trials are needed to fully establish its effectiveness for kidney health.

Key points about rehmannia and kidney function:

• Traditional use:
  Rehmannia is commonly used in TCM formulas like "Liuwei Dihuang Wan" which are specifically designed to nourish kidney yin and are often prescribed for symptoms associated with kidney weakness, including fatigue, night sweats, and frequent urination.
  
  
• Potential benefits:
  Studies have shown that rehmannia may help to reduce markers of kidney damage like proteinuria, protect against renal fibrosis, and improve kidney function in animal models of kidney disease.
  
  
• Mechanism of action:
  Researchers believe that the bioactive compounds in rehmannia may exert antioxidant and anti-inflammatory effects within the kidney tissue, potentially contributing to its protective role.
  
  
• https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19146934/ …..
• Results: Rehmannia glutinosa reduced the serum creatinine level, 24-h urinary protein excretion, and glomerulosclerosis, and it also inhibited the expression of angiotensin II, AT(1) receptor, TGF-beta1 and type IV collagen in the renal cortex.
  
  Conclusions: These results suggest that the renoprotective effect of Rehmannia glutinosa might be mediated by suppressing the expression of angiotensin II and AT(1) receptor and by regulating TGF-beta1 and type IV collagen expression.

This video from Kidney Doctor is pretty annoying at first - but scroll fwd to get to the meat of the video. They recommend this Rehmannia stuff too

 

[BIG_slice]

This video from Kidney Doctor is pretty annoying at first - but scroll fwd to get to the meat of the video. They recommend this Rehmannia stuff too

"Dr. Matt Longmont Chiropractor

Chiropractic + Kinesiology | Foundation Training
"

Not a real doctor btw. They sure make big claims about the effects of Rehmannia, and use all the buzzwords to describe its action. But there's nothing to back that up except for a handful of articles with low external validity, published in low-quality outlets like the "Journal of Ethnopharmacology".

In comparison, Astragalus has much more scientific (and anecdotal) evidence behind it.

 

[marssel]

This Rehmannia stuff looks promising
Link ….

Amazon.com

While Vitamin Shoppe brand Astragulus is probably still king (thanks DoggCrap); I plan to add this for an additional boost. No taste so I went with the power vs pills.

*I may add TUDCA + Cordyceps at some point as well

——————————-

In Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM), rehmannia (Rehmannia glutinosa) is considered beneficial for kidney function, particularly for "Kidney Yin" deficiency, as it is believed to nourish and support the kidneys, potentially helping with conditions like chronic kidney disease (CKD) by reducing proteinuria (excess protein in urine) and protecting against renal damage; however, while research shows some promising effects, more clinical trials are needed to fully establish its effectiveness for kidney health.

Key points about rehmannia and kidney function:

• Traditional use:
  Rehmannia is commonly used in TCM formulas like "Liuwei Dihuang Wan" which are specifically designed to nourish kidney yin and are often prescribed for symptoms associated with kidney weakness, including fatigue, night sweats, and frequent urination.
  
  
• Potential benefits:
  Studies have shown that rehmannia may help to reduce markers of kidney damage like proteinuria, protect against renal fibrosis, and improve kidney function in animal models of kidney disease.
  
  
• Mechanism of action:
  Researchers believe that the bioactive compounds in rehmannia may exert antioxidant and anti-inflammatory effects within the kidney tissue, potentially contributing to its protective role.
  
  
• https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19146934/ …..
• Results: Rehmannia glutinosa reduced the serum creatinine level, 24-h urinary protein excretion, and glomerulosclerosis, and it also inhibited the expression of angiotensin II, AT(1) receptor, TGF-beta1 and type IV collagen in the renal cortex.
  
  Conclusions: These results suggest that the renoprotective effect of Rehmannia glutinosa might be mediated by suppressing the expression of angiotensin II and AT(1) receptor and by regulating TGF-beta1 and type IV collagen expression.

I ordered it and thanks for the info sorry if I missed it but the powder how would you suggest taking it, dose with/without food-thank you.

 

[whacked]

"Dr. Matt Longmont Chiropractor

Chiropractic + Kinesiology | Foundation Training
"

Not a real doctor btw. They sure make big claims about the effects of Rehmannia, and use all the buzzwords to describe its action. But there's nothing to back that up except for a handful of articles with low external validity, published in low-quality outlets like the "Journal of Ethnopharmacology".

In comparison, Astragalus has much more scientific (and anecdotal) evidence behind it.

Good info BigSlice. Thank you

Astragulus as a staple (and Vitamin Shoppe brand per Dante) - but it would be nice to augment this stuff and preferably via different mechanisms as well.

Will keep researching.

 

[whacked]

I ordered it and thanks for the info sorry if I missed it but the powder how would you suggest taking it, dose with/without food-thank you.

Sup Marssel.

See Big Slice’s valid concerns / post above but it can’t hurt to try.

I plan to try it.

Here is their web site if you want to poke around or email them.

Rehmannia | Angiotensin II, Diabetes, Stem Cells & More! | Kidney Coach

Rehmannia is capable of slowing down or halting the progression of kidney disease when used in the early stages of renal failure.

www.kidneycoach.com

I think (?) I saw 2-4g / day and it didn’t matter w or w/o food. This is why I opted for the powder as well.

I don’t know them from a hole in the wall, but if they specialize in naturopathic remedies for kidney function/health for a living; I would assume this adds a little bit of credibility as this is how they make their living. So perhaps their advice is somewhat valuable.

Side note. I’m also doing research on Dan Shen and Thunder God Vine (great name for an herb lol) for Kidney health.

Looks interesting but who the heck knows.

Simply sharing what I’m finding that’s all.

 

[whacked]

Ps. She and her husbands are apparently Naturopathic Docs

https://www.kidneycoach.com/about-us/

 

[bbxtreme]

"Dr. Matt Longmont Chiropractor

Chiropractic + Kinesiology | Foundation Training
"

Not a real doctor btw. They sure make big claims about the effects of Rehmannia, and use all the buzzwords to describe its action. But there's nothing to back that up except for a handful of articles with low external validity, published in low-quality outlets like the "Journal of Ethnopharmacology".

In comparison, Astragalus has much more scientific (and anecdotal) evidence behind it.

Can you adjust a patient? Did you go to school for a doctorate degree or become a doctor?

Your first posts in as a new member and this is what you choose to go for. Lol

Nobody said this would or should be used in place of astragalus. This is a discussion on astragalus and additional herbs or supplements that can help with kidney function. We should always be learning. Welcome to PM.

 

[aHarness]

"Dr. Matt Longmont Chiropractor

Chiropractic + Kinesiology | Foundation Training
"

Not a real doctor btw. They sure make big claims about the effects of Rehmannia, and use all the buzzwords to describe its action. But there's nothing to back that up except for a handful of articles with low external validity, published in low-quality outlets like the "Journal of Ethnopharmacology".

In comparison, Astragalus has much more scientific (and anecdotal) evidence behind it.

Fear not they sell it for the low price of 60 dollars. Also comes with a hefty 150mg astragalus.

Shop - Kidney Coach

www.kidneycoach.com

And their advanced one is the biggest scam I’ve ever seen. Near 90 bucks for 150 Ubiqionol and a baby dose of NAC (200) and some ALA lol.

Kidney Advance™ - Kidney Coach

Supports whole-body balance and healthy kidney function with time-tested formula. Formulated to target systemic inflammation, support circulation, assist detox pathways, and reduce oxidative stress-critical for protecting kidneys over time.†

www.kidneycoach.com

 

[aHarness]

Can you adjust a patient? Did you go to school for a doctorate degree or become a doctor?

Your first posts in as a new member and this is what you choose to go for. Lol

Nobody said this would or should be used in place of astragalus. This is a discussion on astragalus and additional herbs or supplements that can help with kidney function. We should always be learning. Welcome to PM.

While I agree with your sentiment, their products are an absolute scam for sure.

As for the herb, definitely something I’m willing to look into further potentially.

 

[bbxtreme]

While I agree with your sentiment, their products are an absolute scam for sure.

As for the herb, definitely something I’m willing to look into further potentially.

As someone who works in the industry I am not a fan of anyone who private labels things then spikes the price and chases fads. Doctor or not, that’s NOT cool.