Kurt Havens Spreading Misinformation - Aromasin Not Good For Men

[FrenchBench22]

On a recent Q&A with Aaron Burke and Kurt Havens, Kurt stated that "Aromasin is not a good drug for men, Aromasin is only going to suppress estradiol 35% in men." Kurt is a well educated individual, but I have found this statement to be false. Kurt's statement is at the 13:01 marker in the following video:

I have no personal issues with Kurt, but he has been reported on several occasions to spread false information or make bogus claims regarding various compounds or people's usage. I have found Aromasin very capable of reducing estradiol to undetectable levels with ultrasensitive testing when used alongside high dose testosterone (>1,000mg/wk) with no other androgens or ancillaries in use.

Nothing against Kurt or any of these other YouTube "educators," but I bring this to attention in hopes that individuals do more of their own research and don't confide the entirety of their faith in any singular person or study.

 

[SouthernMuscle]

On a recent Q&A with Aaron Burke and Kurt Havens, Kurt stated that "Aromasin is not a good drug for men, Aromasin is only going to suppress estradiol 35% in men." Kurt is a well educated individual, but I have found this statement to be false. Kurt's statement is at the 13:01 marker in the following video:

I have no personal issues with Kurt, but he has been reported on several occasions to spread false information or make bogus claims regarding various compounds or people's usage. I have found Aromasin very capable of reducing estradiol to undetectable levels with ultrasensitive testing when used alongside high dose testosterone (>1,000mg/wk) with no other androgens or ancillaries in use.

Nothing against Kurt or any of these other YouTube "educators," but I bring this to attention in hopes that individuals do more of their own research and don't confide the entirety of their faith in any singular person or study.

How refreshing to see someone detail their use of an aromatase inhibitor when it seems to be a badge of honor for people to claim “ I was on X amount of test- NO AI”

I’ve been using aromasin for at least ten years. Has always managed my estrogen just fine

 

[luki7788]

I agree that aromasin works well with lower doses i.e. up to 750 mg per week but above 1 g it becomes very unpredictable and I am generally not a fan of it. I definitely prefer to use adex or letro - they always work for everyone.

Generally, all IAs are less effective in men than in women in reducing E2

 

[IFBBProDomCardone]

I have never had any issues with myself when I took it or any of my clients. As far as scripting, my doctor years back wrote it for me since I was prone to skewed lipids and it worked great. I aromatized at an extreme level too and it worked great.

 

[P30LEM]

For someone who is obviously educated, he says some really puzzling shit sometimes

 

[bigzzz]

I agree that aromasin works well with lower doses i.e. up to 750 mg per week but above 1 g it becomes very unpredictable and I am generally not a fan of it. I definitely prefer to use adex or letro - they always work for everyone.

Generally, all IAs are less effective in men than in women in reducing E2

Arimidex does shit for me

 

[blackjack]

Arimidex does shit for me

This entire forum is aware that nothing fixes your bloat. You don't have to keep reminding everyone. I'm sure the holiday season is especially challenging.

 

[SouthernMuscle]

This entire forum is aware that nothing fixes your bloat. You don't have to keep reminding everyone. I'm sure the holiday season is especially challenging.

 

[BIG_slice]

Kurt Havens is a bullshit artist. He recently claimed in a podcast that 'you don't want a pump because it brings waste products into the muscle'. And that NGENLA only increases IGF-2, but not IGF-1. Both claims are laughably stupid and can be easily disproven by taking a quick look at the literature.

 

[FrenchFries82]

On a recent Q&A with Aaron Burke and Kurt Havens, Kurt stated that "Aromasin is not a good drug for men, Aromasin is only going to suppress estradiol 35% in men." Kurt is a well educated individual, but I have found this statement to be false. Kurt's statement is at the 13:01 marker in the following video:

I have no personal issues with Kurt, but he has been reported on several occasions to spread false information or make bogus claims regarding various compounds or people's usage. I have found Aromasin very capable of reducing estradiol to undetectable levels with ultrasensitive testing when used alongside high dose testosterone (>1,000mg/wk) with no other androgens or ancillaries in use.

Nothing against Kurt or any of these other YouTube "educators," but I bring this to attention in hopes that individuals do more of their own research and don't confide the entirety of their faith in any singular person or study.

Sometimes Kurt is a bit too extreme in what he says you have to always take everything those educators say with a grain of salt.

If you listen to last podcast with Steve he stoped saying that "normal" bodybuilding dosages are between 3-5g he said 2-3g.
Which if you even think about that..... 3g of test and tren is a thing.... 3g of test and primo is a different one, at least sides effects wise.

Unfortunately there's a big difference in hormonal response from guy to guy and the only thing we can do is experiment and do bloods.

 

[P30LEM]

Sometimes Kurt is a bit too extreme in what he says you have to always take everything those educators say with a grain of salt.

If you listen to last podcast with Steve he stoped saying that "normal" bodybuilding dosages are between 3-5g he said 2-3g.
Which if you even think about that..... 3g of test and tren is a thing.... 3g of test and primo is a different one, at least sides effects wise.

Unfortunately there's a big difference in hormonal response from guy to guy and the only thing we can do is experiment and do bloods.

He's been continually shifting from "unless there's a study, we don't know" to "unless there's a study directly supporting it, it's irrefutably false"

 

[Flocci]

Kurt Havens is a bullshit artist. He recently claimed in a podcast that 'you don't want a pump because it brings waste products into the muscle'. And that NGENLA only increases IGF-2, but not IGF-1. Both claims are laughably stupid and can be easily disproven by taking a quick look at the literature.

I think the former claim is based off of caclium ion buildup causing fatigue nterfering with contractions or somehting like that, its something chris beardsley and paul carter talks a lot about if you are interested.


Ive had good experience with aromasin, it does the job and i dont need much at <1200mg test

 

[st114]

How refreshing to see someone detail their use of an aromatase inhibitor when it seems to be a badge of honor for people to claim “ I was on X amount of test- NO AI”

I’ve been using aromasin for at least ten years. Has always managed my estrogen just fine

Same, I’ve been using Aromasin since I started using gear. The whole badge of honor thing for not needing an AI is silly. I’d be an estrogenic mess without one

Also slightly off topic but I keep seeing AIs written as “IA” on this board. Is this just a misspelling or is there another term I’m missing. I’ve seen it multiple times and it’s been bugging me

 

[SouthernMuscle]

Same, I’ve been using Aromasin since I started using gear. The whole badge of honor thing for not needing an AI is silly. I’d be an estrogenic mess without one

So would I

Also slightly off topic but I keep seeing AIs written as “IA” on this board. Is this just a misspelling or is there another term I’m missing. I’ve seen it multiple times and it’s been bugging me

Typo as far as I know

 

[FrenchBench22]

Same, I’ve been using Aromasin since I started using gear. The whole badge of honor thing for not needing an AI is silly. I’d be an estrogenic mess without one

Also slightly off topic but I keep seeing AIs written as “IA” on this board. Is this just a misspelling or is there another term I’m missing. I’ve seen it multiple times and it’s been bugging me

International spelling. In English, we say "aromatase inhibitor," but in a language like French, they are called "inhibiteurs de l’aromatase," or in Polish "inhibitory aromatazy." Much like how in English, acquired immunodeficiency syndrome is called "AIDS," but in Spanish síndrome de inmunodeficiencia adquirida is "SIDA."

 

[d4ve]

Same, I’ve been using Aromasin since I started using gear. The whole badge of honor thing for not needing an AI is silly. I’d be an estrogenic mess without one

Also slightly off topic but I keep seeing AIs written as “IA” on this board. Is this just a misspelling or is there another term I’m missing. I’ve seen it multiple times and it’s been bugging me

I assumed it was because of different languages’ grammatical structures. E.g. in most Romance languages, the noun comes before the adjective. @luki7788 is this the case in Polish?

 

[st114]

International spelling. In English, we say "aromatase inhibitor," but in a language like French, they are called "inhibiteurs de l’aromatase," or in Polish "inhibitory aromatazy." Much like how in English, acquired immunodeficiency syndrome is called "AIDS," but in Spanish síndrome de inmunodeficiencia adquirida is "SIDA."

Thanks @FrenchBench22 and @d4ve

Makes perfect sense. I figured with how often I saw it, and from multiple different people it wasn’t just a misspelling. And now that I think about it, this checks out because it’s all Europeans using that abbreviation

 

[hawkmoon]

Aromasin is my favorite estrogen control product by far. Does the job, doesn't clobber my lipids (arimidex, femara), and no thrombosis risk (nolvadex).

I see this guy out there a lot these days as a purported expert and I'd take most of what he says with caution.

Not a fan of this current crop of self asserted authorities in the bodybuilding world.

 

[Bigpoppaseth]

Aromasin has always been my favorite and go to .

 

[hawkmoon]

I thought I'd watch Nyle's Trensparent podcast with Kurt which just came out.

The preview has a doozy already: "the more androgens you use during that translation stage the more DNA is created and part of that DNA is the androgen receptor"