Kurt Havens Spreading Misinformation - Aromasin Not Good For Men

[traininsane11]

Just to add on in regards to the anabolic podcast I like the guys on there but it’s become boring

Paul just repeats stuff he’s posted on previous videos he’s done between podcasts and repeats himself in general

Kurt doesn’t say much

Justin says the same things on every podcast ever (a running joke he’s mentioned himself) plus he’s that intelligent I think he sometimes struggles to slow what he’s saying down and dumb it down for the average person. The dude has more knowledge than there’s knowledge to be had

The rest don’t contribute a whole lot

Still flick through it though as they all seem like good people and interesting bits from time to time

 

[bbxtreme]

Kurt is taking some heat in this thread… tough crowd lol

I see this all the time in the medical field with bigger names. What gets any of these guys is when they start trying to talk about things that they don’t fully know or lack the experience to validate what they are claiming.

My favorite words if I am being interviewed on something regarding health- “I don’t know.” There are things in life we know very well and then there are things we may know a little on, and very often there’s things we have no clue on.

I have learned a few things from Kurt’s podcast, but other times I think “what the heck is this guy talking about…” lol if only we could all stick to what we know.

 

[Flocci]

If you're not genetically gifted? Probably. Also something to be considered, he says he started gear when he turned 40.

You'll be amazed how many guys run 10-15 IUs HGH and 2-3 gr of gear and look nowhere near like Kurt in the photo i shared.

ive never been able to run those amounts but i can vouch for being someone thats done a fair bit in the gym, in the kitchen and in the pharmacy and barely look like a decent natural. Theres a big survivor bias in this industry.

 

[hawkmoon]

Kurt is taking some heat in this thread… tough crowd lol

I see this all the time in the medical field with bigger names. What gets any of these guys is when they start trying to talk about things that they don’t fully know or lack the experience to validate what they are claiming.

My favorite words if I am being interviewed on something regarding health- “I don’t know.” There are things in life we know very well and then there are things we may know a little on, and very often there’s things we have no clue on.

I have learned a few things from Kurt’s podcast, but other times I think “what the heck is this guy talking about…” lol if only we could all stick to what we know.

"I don't know" will make me a fan more than any diatribe said in utmost confidence and pride.

 

[nothuman]

Kurt is taking some heat in this thread… tough crowd lol

I see this all the time in the medical field with bigger names. What gets any of these guys is when they start trying to talk about things that they don’t fully know or lack the experience to validate what they are claiming.

My favorite words if I am being interviewed on something regarding health- “I don’t know.” There are things in life we know very well and then there are things we may know a little on, and very often there’s things we have no clue on.

I have learned a few things from Kurt’s podcast, but other times I think “what the heck is this guy talking about…” lol if only we could all stick to what we know.

My thoughts exactly. I’ve been trying to figure out how to express my thoughts about the guy, but you just did it for me.

 

[aHarness]

I think he stands well next to a 265lb IFBB pro.

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What he is talking about would not make any sense to 99% of people. Unless you have studied molecular biology and/or bioengineering. He’s studying if the cyp esters STRUCTURE (ring-like) affects the ability of esterase to hydrolyze the bonds. He has a THEORY that he wants to test. His...

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I won’t pretend Kurt looks bad, and I appreciate that he’s open and honest with what he’s used… but I must agree with @luki7788 in that it reflects a bit when considering what he’s used. From saying intensifiers are a waste, the pump inhibits growth, his obsession with very low volume etc

 

[aHarness]

I have learned a few things from Kurt’s podcast, but other times I think “what the heck is this guy talking about…” lol if only we could all stick to what we know.

This. If he just stayed in his lane, he’d be much better off imo.

 

[aHarness]

My thoughts exactly. I’ve been trying to figure out how to express my thoughts about the guy, but you just did it for me.

Same here. I actually do think he has a lot to offer the community, but he needs to know when to back off and maybe not be so rigid.

 

[Big Dave Smith]

One thing that stood out to me was…

Years ago, Matt Jansen was interviewed by Mike Israetel on a podcast (before Mike blew up).

When answering Mike’s questions, Matt openly said something like “I don’t know why, and on paper it’s not this way, but in reality it is”.

They were actually talking about Aromasin vs Arimidex for precontest, and how most people get drier on Adex in the last 8 weeks vs Aromasin.

I forget details, but I did like to hear the science side speak to the reality side and have the reality side sort of say “I know science may say one thing, but it doesn’t play out like that in life”.

 

[Flocci]

One thing that stood out to me was…

Years ago, Matt Jansen was interviewed by Mike Israetel on a podcast (before Mike blew up).

When answering Mike’s questions, Matt openly said something like “I don’t know why, and on paper it’s not this way, but in reality it is”.

They were actually talking about Aromasin vs Arimidex for precontest, and how most people get drier on Adex in the last 8 weeks vs Aromasin.

I forget details, but I did like to hear the science side speak to the reality side and have the reality side sort of say “I know science may say one thing, but it doesn’t play out like that in life”.

Might it have been this one? https://thehalfnattypodcast.buzzspr...lk-part-ii-w-matt-jansen-and-dr-mike-israetel

 

[nothuman]

One thing that stood out to me was…

Years ago, Matt Jansen was interviewed by Mike Israetel on a podcast (before Mike blew up).

When answering Mike’s questions, Matt openly said something like “I don’t know why, and on paper it’s not this way, but in reality it is”.

They were actually talking about Aromasin vs Arimidex for precontest, and how most people get drier on Adex in the last 8 weeks vs Aromasin.

I forget details, but I did like to hear the science side speak to the reality side and have the reality side sort of say “I know science may say one thing, but it doesn’t play out like that in life”.

reminds me of HGH. The “science” says it’s builds lean mass but not muscle mass, but we all know better.

 

[Big Dave Smith]

Might it have been this one? https://thehalfnattypodcast.buzzspr...lk-part-ii-w-matt-jansen-and-dr-mike-israetel

Possibly. Revive Stronger maybe?

 

[Stewie]

I thought I'd watch Nyle's Trensparent podcast with Kurt which just came out.

The preview has a doozy already: "the more androgens you use during that translation stage the more DNA is created and part of that DNA is the androgen receptor"

I don't follow youtube talking heads. Zero interest. I watched bits and pieces of the first video and the one @hawkmoon posted.

Presumably he's talking about DNA replication? DNA replication isn't specific to the AR gene. It's not a direct mediator of DNA replication. Protein synthesis occurs well-beyond the AR gene, through multiple genes.

In regards to exemestane. Kurt fails to take recognition of the intraconversion via 17β-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase type 1 (17ß-HSD1) that catalyzes the reduction of estrone to estradiol. The higher suppression of E1, in theory would abolish the metabolic fate of E1 to E2. The obvious is Interindividuality of 17ß-HSD1 and CYP19A1. The literature Kurt is referring to has been beaten to death over the years.

Is he a clinican of some sort? He makes a claim- "When we see myocardial infarctions in the ER, its usually {profanity}"... Maybe he's speaking in general terms?

Skipping along towards the end of the second video, he's bouncing around talking about the different ways of injecting GH. Then he quickly changes up talking about SubQ and IM testosterone injections, and the differences between anatomical locations- deltoid vs gluteus. In which he proclaims the "gluteus absorbs better." He's very vague in that statement. The deltoid area has been shown to have quicker uptake of parenteral injections. He might want to revisit that proclamation.

 

[supermofo]

I don't follow youtube talking heads. Zero interest. I watched bits and pieces of the first video and the one @hawkmoon posted.

Presumably he's talking about DNA replication? DNA replication isn't specific to the AR gene. It's not a direct mediator of DNA replication. Protein synthesis occurs well-beyond the AR gene, through multiple genes.

In regards to exemestane. Kurt fails to take recognition of the intraconversion via 17β-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase type 1 (17ß-HSD1) that catalyzes the reduction of estrone to estradiol. The higher suppression of E1, in theory would abolish the metabolic fate of E1 to E2. The obvious is Interindividuality of 17ß-HSD1 and CYP19A1. The literature Kurt is referring to has been beaten to death over the years.

Is he a clinican of some sort? He makes a claim- "When we see myocardial infarctions in the ER, its usually {profanity}"... Maybe he's speaking in general terms?

Skipping along towards the end of the second video, he's bouncing around talking about the different ways of injecting GH. Then he quickly changes up talking about SubQ and IM testosterone injections, and the differences between anatomical locations- deltoid vs gluteus. In which he proclaims the "gluteus absorbs better." He's very vague in that statement. The deltoid area has been shown to have quicker uptake of parenteral injections. He might want to revisit that proclamation.

I'd watch/listen if you had a podcast. Thanks for your contribution to PM.