Lab Results, interesting

[AllLoadedUp]

2 sets of Lab results.

Last July. 500 Test Cyp, 400 NPP per week, 4IU of GH daily. I shot the Test twice a week and the NPP every other day. Results were:

Total Test -1320 ng/dl
Free Test- 450 pg/ml
Bioavailable Test - 1003 ng/dl
Estradiol- 50 pg/ml

I dropped just to the 500 Cyp and 4IU back last September. I continued taking the 500 cyp in two shots per week and 4IU daily. About 2 weeks before I had my levels checked again I started taking the Test every other day. Broken up into 1/2 cc per shot. Still 500 total per week just taken every other day. Results from labs 6 days ago are as follows.

Total Test- 2227 ng/dl
Free Test- 721 pg/ml
Bioavailable Test- 1608 ng/dl
Estradiol- 144pg/ml

Now believe it or not with that Estradiol I feel great. I've never taken an AI in my life. Never had itchy nipples or even a hint of gyno. Not overly emotional or anything. I do have ED issues. Which I've had issues with that for years. All the other stuff was in range basically on both sets of labs, prolactin, albumin, my shbg was slightly low last July but normal range now. Would doing more shots per week have that big an effect on the results? I expected it to make some difference but those results surprised me. Especially considering I've just been on the Test the last several months.

 

[nothuman]

2 sets of Lab results.

Last July. 500 Test Cyp, 400 NPP per week, 4IU of GH daily. I shot the Test twice a week and the NPP every other day. Results were:

Total Test -1320 ng/dl
Free Test- 450 pg/ml
Bioavailable Test - 1003 ng/dl
Estradiol- 50 pg/ml

I dropped just to the 500 Cyp and 4IU back last September. I continued taking the 500 cyp in two shots per week and 4IU daily. About 2 weeks before I had my levels checked again I started taking the Test every other day. Broken up into 1/2 cc per shot. Still 500 total per week just taken every other day. Results from labs 6 days ago are as follows.

Total Test- 2227 ng/dl
Free Test- 721 pg/ml
Bioavailable Test- 1608 ng/dl
Estradiol- 144pg/ml

Now believe it or not with that Estradiol I feel great. I've never taken an AI in my life. Never had itchy nipples or even a hint of gyno. Not overly emotional or anything. I do have ED issues. Which I've had issues with that for years. All the other stuff was in range basically on both sets of labs, prolactin, albumin, my shbg was slightly low last July but normal range now. Would doing more shots per week have that big an effect on the results? I expected it to make some difference but those results surprised me. Especially considering I've just been on the Test the last several months.

Are these the regular testosterone and estradiol assays or did you get the LC/MS?

Nandrolone shows up as testosterone if you don’t get the LC/MS, making the regular testosterone assay pretty useless.

 

[AllLoadedUp]

Are these the regular testosterone and estradiol assays or did you get the LC/MS?

Nandrolone shows up as testosterone if you don’t get the LC/MS, making the regular testosterone assay pretty useless.

These are from Quest Labs. Its just the regular Mens Expanded Hormone Panel. That is all they offer from what I have seen on their site. I haven't seen anything about the more sensitive test you are referring to. What Lab uses the more sensitive testing you are referring to? I know about the Nandrolone. Which is why I would have thought my levels would have been higher when I was taking that on top of the Test. Not higher levels from just the Test alone.

 

[M@NU]

well, the answer might be pretty easy:
how long after your shot did you draw bloods in July?
you pin twice a week, lets say Mo and Thursday.
On Wednesday or even on Thursday before the shot you take bloods. It will be the "lowest" point.

for the other example, EOD, you dont have such swings.

 

[madg]

Both results so low for 500 mg …

 

[npcout]

Both results so low for 500 mg …

That’s what I’m thinking.. I’m on 120 trt and my test cyp from cvs puts me 1700ish, 100mg puts me 1200-1300

 

[madg]

amen !!

I get 2250 from 1 amp norma

And ppl here telling me “bro is the metabolizing of ester and lows shbg”

For me is just underdosed as fuck but nowadays bodybuilding is become a philosopher sport

 

[M@NU]

both your posts are worthless without context
- injection intervall
- timing of blood draw

not sure why its so hard to understand.
if i inject 500mg every monday and i draw bloods on monday before my shot, i will have low values

 

[nothuman]

These are from Quest Labs. Its just the regular Mens Expanded Hormone Panel. That is all they offer from what I have seen on their site. I haven't seen anything about the more sensitive test you are referring to. What Lab uses the more sensitive testing you are referring to? I know about the Nandrolone. Which is why I would have thought my levels would have been higher when I was taking that on top of the Test. Not higher levels from just the Test alone.

Then I would disregard these numbers since you got the basic tests. I have seen a massive variance between my regular total testosterone and the total testosterone LC/MS test

Also injection timing is critical as others mentioned

 

[gulfcoast]

I agree that Quest basic male hormone test level is pretty useless if you are taking nandros.
On TRT of Test P 150 my total T will be 1000-1200
On Test P 300 NPP 300 it will always be >3000

As already stated, without knowing day and time of last injection vs day and time of blood draw for test your question cannot be answered.

 

[LATS]

Everyone metabolize test different.. I test at 425mgs of test cyp at around 1850... the batch i used was tested and spot on.. another lab i used i shot 500mgs and was 2100.. both were accurate dose wise..

that is why I tell people that you can't always discount people who " low dose" as liars.. I have a buddy who does 300mgs and blood work has him at 3300.. he also does 2 ius a night of gh and his igf is mid 300s and z score is just below 3.. so its not like he requires alot of gear to make decent gains.. I also train a guy who uses 400mgs of test just to get 800 on blood work.. its all over the map..

 

[AllLoadedUp]

Then I would disregard these numbers since you got the basic tests. I have seen a massive variance between my regular total testosterone and the total testosterone LC/MS test

Also injection timing is critical as others mentioned

I asked you what Lab does these sensitive test? Not Quest. Not Labcorp either from what I could see on their site. I can't get those type of test if I don't what Lab does them.

 

[AllLoadedUp]

well, the answer might be pretty easy:
how long after your shot did you draw bloods in July?
you pin twice a week, lets say Mo and Thursday.
On Wednesday or even on Thursday before the shot you take bloods. It will be the "lowest" point.

for the other example, EOD, you dont have such swings.

Both blood draws were in the morning. I was fasted although not sure that makes any difference on Test levels. Maybe it does maybe it doesn't I have no clue. I expected the levels to be higher because I had been taking EOD shots. I said that. I just didn't expect that much of a difference. I can't remember when my last shot was before the draw in July.

 

[AllLoadedUp]

Everyone metabolize test different.. I test at 425mgs of test cyp at around 1850... the batch i used was tested and spot on.. another lab i used i shot 500mgs and was 2100.. both were accurate dose wise..

that is why I tell people that you can't always discount people who " low dose" as liars.. I have a buddy who does 300mgs and blood work has him at 3300.. he also does 2 ius a night of gh and his igf is mid 300s and z score is just below 3.. so its not like he requires alot of gear to make decent gains.. I also train a guy who uses 400mgs of test just to get 800 on blood work.. its all over the map..

This is more of how I see it. Just like I can't use Tren. Sides are too much. I have a friend that can use that shit for months and all his blood work looks fine. He gets almost zero sides from it. We're all different. The hyper responders are the lucky guys. If one guy has 1500 levels and is putting on muscle and another guy has 3000 levels but isn't making much progress, all other things being equal, then does it really make a shit what the number on their labs is?

 

[AllLoadedUp]

both your posts are worthless without context
- injection intervall
- timing of blood draw

not sure why its so hard to understand.
if i inject 500mg every monday and i draw bloods on monday before my shot, i will have low values

What would be the absolute PERFECT way to take a test?

 

[M@NU]

the absolute best way it to take your injection ED and take the test before your shot.
everyone should take their test cyp/ena ED to get as stable levels as possible

 

[nothuman]

I asked you what Lab does these sensitive test? Not Quest. Not Labcorp either from what I could see on their site. I can't get those type of test if I don't what Lab does them.

I don’t know. I go to a place called lab doctor that has everything I need. Try asking AI.

 

[juiceball44]

I use ulta labs to order tests online and do the draw at quest. They have the sensitive tests lc/ms

 

[buck]

I asked you what Lab does these sensitive test? Not Quest. Not Labcorp either from what I could see on their site. I can't get those type of test if I don't what Lab does them.

With just my TRT blood work using LC/MS i have seen numbers come back from the same lab same pinning with the same pharmaceutical gear etc. be 400 points different. I find the body at least mine isn't always a well oiled machine.

Both Quest and Labcorp do liquid chromatography/tandem mass spectrometry tests. Just have to order the right ones or make sure they are part of the panel when you order as a package. Write the company you are ordering from if you want verification.

Quest Diagnostics: Test Directory

testdirectory.questdiagnostics.com

070195: Testosterone, Free, Direct With Total Testosterone, LC/MS-MS

Labcorp test details for Testosterone, Free, Direct With Total Testosterone, LC/MS-MS

www.labcorp.com

 

[nothuman]

With just my TRT blood work using LC/MS i have seen numbers come back from the same lab same pinning with the same pharmaceutical gear etc. be 400 points different. I find the body at least mine isn't always a well oiled machine.

Both Quest and Labcorp do liquid chromatography/tandem mass spectrometry tests. Just have to order the right ones or make sure they are part of the panel when you order as a package. Write the company you are ordering from if you want verification.

Quest Diagnostics: Test Directory

testdirectory.questdiagnostics.com

070195: Testosterone, Free, Direct With Total Testosterone, LC/MS-MS

Labcorp test details for Testosterone, Free, Direct With Total Testosterone, LC/MS-MS

www.labcorp.com

I had about a 400 higher testosterone level while on Deca and HCG with the regular assay than I did with the LC/MS