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Lab Results

For a man on testosterone and other PEDs an hdl of 40 is not bad. There’s a lot of bodybuilders who would be ecstatic about that to be honest and if and when you add the AI I would prepare to see it decrease.

For lipids the main thing I look at is the hdl:trig ratio. Yours isn’t awful by any means but you could look to bring the trigs down a little. You’ll have a much easier time bringing trigs and ldl down than you will bringing hdl up. 75% of your cholesterol is created in the liver the other 25% being dietary so eating more “healthy” fats or monounsaturated fats isn’t going to be a big mover in improving anything. When my lipids were tanked I used niacin, aged garlic, citrus berg and a quality fish oil supplement in a much larger quantity that I ever had before. I’d always taken fish oil but I moved it to 2 caps with each meal and I’ve kept it there since. I added in injectible l-carn 600mg a day before fasted cardio and that is the single biggest mover in dropping my trigs. In 8 weeks I decreased them by like 80 and they’ve never gone back up.

The e2 if it’s not ridiculously high I wouldn’t “treat” a 50 because it’s a 50 if that makes sense. That’s a number on a piece of paper. EQ for me lowers my e2 and if you’ve only just introduced it I would give that time before arbitrarily adding in something more. Again just my opinion.

The little zits on your arms could be from not digesting the fats well. You need a lot less dietary than you think so I would probably add in a bile supplement to improve fat digestion, lower your dietary fat all together and push a bit harder on the cardio. If you can add in injectible l carnitine and do the other things your lipids would improve.
 
Just to back up what I’m saying. I had a coach pushing calories extremely high for no reason on the left. High fat and high carb and my body and GI just got extremely inflamed so I left and educated myself on what I was doing and the results of what I described above are on the right.
 

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It seems there are a few too many variables to pin point exactly. Perhaps drop back to just the test for while and let things level out and redraw labs after starting daily pinning which should give the most stable levels and accurate results.

For a long time it seemed in vogue to use AI's to the point it was overkill and causing more harm than good. Now it has swung the other way it a bit but seems to have settled in a logical place... as others said the numerical value means nothing but the symptoms mean everything. I have had much higher e2 levels (on higher test doses) and had absolutely zero symptoms. Adding another drug made no sense. But I had friends who are much more sensitive and get extremely sensitive nipples on a sniff of test and need arimidex 3x a week.

Whichever path you choose id say to choose the lowest effect dose. Arimidex seems to work very well at low doses. Better than Aromasin anymore. Letro seems grossly overkill and crushes guys.

Report back either way and update
 
test reading is very low for 500 mg imo

Yes it varys person to person but this much ?


I have 1980 on 250 mg per week …
 
An estradiol of 50 isnt very high. The prevailing theory is that anything above the male average for estrogen is going to turn you into an emotionally unhinged tranny/it will make you grow breasts and a vagina. Its pretty funny.

I just now saw that your estradiol was a whopping 10 points over normal. I seriously doubt its the cause of your symptoms. But go ahead and crush your estrogen with letro, maybe it will help out.
And here in lies the problem of going by a number and not how you feel at the same time ignoring the fact that literally everyone metabolizes and responds to hormones differently. (y)
 
And here in lies the problem of going by a number and not how you feel at the same time ignoring the fact that literally everyone metabolizes and responds to hormones differently. (y)
Along with overlooking the fact that he’s only a couple weeks into starting EQ which is going to have some role on his e2 whether that’s a lot or a little is going to be based on his individual response. For me, eq manages it well, for some people it has minimal effect and for others it completely crushes it. So I would let that stabilize before doing anything else. Support your liver with tudca or bile, which will also help with fat digestion and estrogen clearance and then see where you’re at from there. I would not jump straight to throwing an AI at it unless you’re having pretty obvious symptoms.
 
Serum test is really quite low for that dose. Everyone is different but you'd need to be a huge outlier.

You've been using nandrolone and are now using equipoise. If you are not doing LCMS/sensitive tests on testosterone and estradiol...nandrolone will show as testosterone (increasing serum levels beyond the true testosterone you have in you) and equipoise, which seems to convert more heavily to E1/estone and not E2/estradiol, will convert to E1 which is far less powerful than E2 and artificially increase your E2 reading. Also equipoise in some people can significantly lower real E2 so before taking ANY action you'd want to unfuck this and see what your real E2 is. It may actually be low. Who knows.
 
Serum test is really quite low for that dose. Everyone is different but you'd need to be a huge outlier.

You've been using nandrolone and are now using equipoise. If you are not doing LCMS/sensitive tests on testosterone and estradiol...nandrolone will show as testosterone (increasing serum levels beyond the true testosterone you have in you) and equipoise, which seems to convert more heavily to E1/estone and not E2/estradiol, will convert to E1 which is far less powerful than E2 and artificially increase your E2 reading. Also equipoise in some people can significantly lower real E2 so before taking ANY action you'd want to unfuck this and see what your real E2 is. It may actually be low. Who knows.

100% agree with this. That seems like very low test for 500mgs...impossibly low to be honest.
 
How often do you take that? Do you know what level it gets your estrogen down to? When you're at 60-70 how do you feel? Thanks.
I take it every other day. Levels get down to 15 to 20. I feel fine at the higher levels but I'm very prone to gyno and even tough I'm only on TRT of 150mg, I still have gyno issues.
 
100% agree with this. That seems like very low test for 500mgs...impossibly low to be honest.
Well I'm taking 500mg of Test Cyp from a well known board sponsor/lab. The numbers are what they are. I do two shots per week.
 
Been on 500 Test Cyp and 400 NPP the past 5 weeks. Decided to drop the NPP and do EQ. Only did I believe 3 or 4 shots of EQ. So not really enough time to effect anything much. I noticed I was getting emotional so I went and had labs done plus I wanted to know what was going on inside me anyway. Normally I just do TRT which is 250 Test every week to 10 days. First "cycle" I've done in about 5 yrs.

Results
Cholesterol 216
HDL 40
Triglycerides 101
LDL 155
NHDL 176

RBC (Red Blood Cell Count) 6.01 Range is 4.2-5.8
Hemoglobin 17.8 Range is 13.2-17.1
Hematocrit 55.3 Range is 38.5-50

Albumin- 4.9 Range 3.6-5.1
SHBG- 9 Range 10-50
Total Test -1320
Prolactin- 12.3
Free Test- 450
Test Bio Available - 1003
Estradiol - 50

Obviously that Estradiol has got to come down. That's where my emotional shit is coming from. Not too happy about the LDL and NHDL either. The RBC and Hemoglobin and Hematocrit are elevated but not far out of range. Please chime in with any views or advice you guys have. Yes feel free to give me crap if I need it. What do you guys recommend to get that Estradiol down? Believe it or not I've never really messed with any AI before. Never really needed it. But I'm older now so I guess its time to get on that. Thanks.
No, the estradiol is perfect. Don’t even think about taking an AI.

Your RBC panel is also great.

Your LDL is horrible though. That’s the only thing here worth focusing on.
 
No, the estradiol is perfect. Don’t even think about taking an AI.

Your RBC panel is also great.

Your LDL is horrible though. That’s the only thing here worth focusing on.
When I first started this cycle I was getting hard ons at night. Now I'm never getting any and don't have any interest in sex. Which not having a woman is probably actually a good thing. Lol. I'm now just doing the 500mg of Test and my 3iu of GH per night. Just gonna keep it simple for now. How long would you and the rest of you guys wait before I retest everything?
 
Just giving you an honest assessment. I’m not well versed in keto and how being in ketosis may effect that.

Drugs, bf%, etc then vs now also can be at play in the differences.
Oh no I get it. Greatly appreciate any input you have. I know you're very knowledgeable. I doubt I was ever in "ketosis". I think you have to eat like 11gr of carbs a day. I literally dont see how that's possible. But I know people do it. That's why I said "keto like".
 
test reading is very low for 500 mg imo

Yes it varys person to person but this much ?


I have 1980 on 250 mg per week …
Sounds like I need to get my test from where you get yours. Lol.
 
My buddy has some Arimidex. Im gonna get 4 pills from him then split up. Gonna order some also. You think 1/4 every couple days will be good? Like I said I've never used an AI. So it's new to me. Well I guess I did use Nolvadex back in the day for PCT. But that was when I use to go on and off. Thanks.
lol good luck splitting a pharma adex tab. You will cut it and it will be in lots of pieces and not even at all. It’s a pain in the ass.
 
I knew a girl who would crush and snort paracetamol. Quicker into the bloodstream was her reasoning !
I dont know the science (what is "optimal"?! 😂 ) with indigestion vs insufflation. But my days of snorting things are long over haha. I got the idea from someone talking about how to best dose dyazide for a show when the dose was like 1/4 pill and the aforementioned crumbling was a concern. If you want to get super technical you could even get a pocket scale and weigh each dose after cut up.
 

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