Labwork on 50MG Winstrol

[Siggy]

After 3 weeks of 50MG Winstrol I decided to check my labs. I love Winny, its my favorite oral and will always use it to cut, so I figured I should see what its doing to my labwork.

I am also currently on 900mg Test E.

Keep in mind that I am also taking a robust amount of liver support which includes:

1000MG Tudca
3600MG NAC
1000MG Milk Thistle
6000MG Spirulina (great for lowering LDL)
2000mg Vit C
4000MG Astragalus



Well, that 50MG of Winstrol told me to take my robust liver support and shove it my ass.

Labwork after 3 weeks of 50mg Winstrol=

LDL 140 (Usually 113 on 900mg Test)
HDL 27 (Usually 37 on 900mg Test)
Triglycerides 166 (Usually 80 on 900mg Test)
Non HDL Cholesterol 170 (Usually 130 on 900MG Test)

Hematocrit 55 (Usually 50 on 900MG Test)

AST 76 (Usually 40)
ALT 106 (Usually 40


I was dissapointed and expecting a lower ALT and lower cholesterol numbers, considering all the ancillaries im taking.

I am considering take a statin during oral cycles now. Does anybody do this strictly on orals?

Also does anyone think Glutathione injections would lower the ALT any more than what my current support already does?

 

[Sectør]

Kind of wild it got that skewed in 3 weeks

Yes glutathione will help your liver values but the more obvious solution is to cruise and get your bloodwork right. Pretty much all your values are way off— I wouldn’t continue running what you’re running

 

[Swifto]

How long do you run Winstrol for?

These are the reasons harsher 17aa oral compounds are saved for competition, or for days/weeks leading to show or beach day (if lifestyle) or for pre workout only blocks.

I dont think this warrants a statins usage if you are not using Winstrol for many months.

It's risk vs reward. Does it really matter if these are your bloods for 4-5 weeks of the year? It's not optional, but you're not going to die.

 

[luki7788]

Nothing surprising, Vinstrol destroys lipids more than anything else, although AST and ALT are normal for a person with large muscle mass who trains - personally I don't pay attention at all if they don't exceed 150-200, I only pay attention to GGT and bilirubin

 

[Siggy]

Kind of wild it got that skewed in 3 weeks

Yes glutathione will help your liver values but the more obvious solution is to cruise and get your bloodwork right. Pretty much all your values are way off— I wouldn’t continue running what you’re running

I was running 50MG winstrol for 4 weeks earlier this year. I did bloodwork 4 weeks after, by then all my values had returned to nearly normal (while still being on 900mg Test). This is simply what my labs look like while using winstrol, but I would like to mitigate it, having them skewed even for 4 weeks is a bit alarming.

This is the first time I have done bloodwork in the middle of an oral cycle. I would imagine labs like this are fairly common in the middle of a Winstrol cycle.

 

[anarchocapitalist]

I'm 45 years old. I have used steroids since I was wrestling in university. As a cancer survivor I've had regular blood work done. Winstrol always pushes my blood work up, where as other orals do not. I've shot 250mg test ED + 200mg mast ED + 100mg anadrol ED and my blood work and blood pressure everything was fine. Winstrol will push it to the top of the reference range. Another drug that I don't take anymore for similar reasons is clenbuterol I have to really watch my electrolytes (Ca/Mg balance) otherwise my blood work gets messed up.

 

[Siggy]

How long do you run Winstrol for?

These are the reasons harsher 17aa oral compounds are saved for competition, or for days/weeks leading to show or beach day (if lifestyle) or for pre workout only blocks.

I dont think this warrants a statins usage if you are not using Winstrol for many months.

It's risk vs reward. Does it really matter if these are your bloods for 4-5 weeks of the year? It's not optional, but you're not going to die.

I had previously been running winstrol for 8 weeks at a time. After seeing this, will probably stick to 4 weeks at a time.

 

[mexbeast]

The good thing is that your winny is more than likely real!

 

[null88]

I also did 4 weeks of inj oil winny, on top of a base of 500mg test 200mg tren, 150 EQ. Adding 10mg Ezetimibe with existing 5mg rosuvastatin actually lowered my LDL. Left side is with 50mg winny, right is without.

 

[Duke309]

5mg of ezetimibe is virtually identical to 10mg and comes with practically no side effects and it will drop your LDL ~16 points at least. As far as statins go, the one getting the most interest right now is pitavastatin due to the low side effects (uncommon to get muscle pain, COQ10 depletion or insulin resistance) and at 4mg it is still quite effective.

 

[specter]

The two things that helped me supplement vise with colesterol was high dose omega 3 and high dose citrusbergamot.

 

[specter]

The two things that helped me supplement vise with colesterol was high dose omega 3 and high dose citrusbergamot.

FFS forgot doses...
1000mg citrus bergamot morning and night.
3000mg omega 3 3 times a day.

 

[warlock]

5mg of ezetimibe is virtually identical to 10mg and comes with practically no side effects and it will drop your LDL ~16 points at least. As far as statins go, the one getting the most interest right now is pitavastatin due to the low side effects (uncommon to get muscle pain, COQ10 depletion or insulin resistance) and at 4mg it is still quite effective.

Have you gotten labs comparing 5mg ezetimibe vs. 10mg ezetimibe?

 

[Damaged1]

Looks better than mine 20/160.

 

[Duke309]

Have you gotten labs comparing 5mg ezetimibe vs. 10mg ezetimibe?

My ldl was 29 on my last bloods with just 5mg of ezetimibe. I can post the research papers later if you want to see the academic studies comparing the dosages.

 

[KyleSmith1985]

Winny is my favorite oral not just for aesthetics but performance too. I don’t get the cranky joints on it either. I’ve ran it for 12 weeks without issue.

Blood work doesn’t look that bad IMO. But you’re only 3 weeks in.

For liver I’d get your GGT tested. My AST/ALT can have a significant difference just by whether I’ve worked out or not.

I’d look into testing APO-B as well.

A small dose of ezetimibe(5mg) and crestor(10MG) fix my LDL and APO-B real quick. Within a few weeks quick. I run it wherever I’m on cycle orals or not.

Besides cardio, I’ve never found anything that helps HDL. I’m usually in the teens. Who even knows if low HDL in isolation is even that detrimental if you have good cardio.

 

[warlock]

My ldl was 29 on my last bloods with just 5mg of ezetimibe. I can post the research papers later if you want to see the academic studies comparing the dosages.

Thank you. I'd love to read the study if you happen to find it

 

[Mufasa123]

Here's a few of mine for anyone curious. I don't have much with winstrol only. Usually I was running it with tren. Given these, I don't worry too much if tren isn't in the picture.

For what it's worth, 500 test E with 600 primo yields an HDL of 21-25 (run it twice and got these) but nothing else moved from normal TRT so it's sizable HDL hit only up to that dose. Running Tren and Winny longer-term is roughly the same or just under those on my HDL.


Test E 500, Deca 200, Tren E 400, and Winstrol 350 weekly (2021 Week 10 - winstrol run the whole time)
AST 40 (normally in 20s but in range 10-40)
ALT 79 (normally in 20s, high as range is 9-46)
HDL 16 (at 35-40 on TRT low range is 40 - this is my worst reading ever actually)
LDL 72 normal
Tris 120 normal but elevated from my norm of 50-70 on lower carb diet. When eating decent carbs it goes up significantly and obviously orals and aas make it worse

Test E 500 Deca 400 Winstrol 350 Tren A 350-575 (ranged during run, probably 575) (2018 Week ~12, winstrol was added 6 weeks previous to test)
AST 42 (normally in 20s but just out of range 10-40)
ALT 48 (normally in 20s, but just out of range is 9-46)
HDL 21 (at 35-40 on TRT low range is 40 - been low my whole life)
LDL 75 normal
Tris 153 just outside 149 top of range but elevated from my norm of 50-70 on lower carb diet, was eating a good amount of carbs as I recall

 

[Duke309]

Thank you. I'd love to read the study if you happen to find it

Here is the approval docs from the FDA, take a look at clinical pharmacology review Part 1

Drug Approval Package: Zetia (ezetimibe) NDA #21445

Here's the underlying trial used for the FDA application.

https://doi.org/10.1016/S1520-765X(01)90107-5

16% reduction at 5mg vs 19% reduction at 20mg. Hard to believe how effective even 0.25mg is. For example, with an LDL of 100, there is only a ~3 point reduction between 5 and 10mg of ezetimibe. I don't have a prescription and don't want any cholesterol drugs on my medical history right now, so I will stick with 5mg per day.

 

[warlock]

Here is the approval docs from the FDA, take a look at clinical pharmacology review Part 1

Drug Approval Package: Zetia (ezetimibe) NDA #21445

Here's the underlying trial used for the FDA application.

https://doi.org/10.1016/S1520-765X(01)90107-5

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16% reduction at 5mg vs 19% reduction at 20mg. Hard to believe how effective even 0.25mg is. For example, with an LDL of 100, there is only a ~3 point reduction between 5 and 10mg of ezetimibe. I don't have a prescription and don't want any cholesterol drugs on my medical history right now, so I will stick with 5mg per day.

Thanks so much for sharing all of that. This is great info. I have never heard of anyone using only 5mg of ezetimibe, but I can see the results are very similar to those who take 10mg. For the difference in results, it may be worth taking only 5mg.