Labwork on 50MG Winstrol

[traininsane11]

Herbal route, dietary changes and more activity/cardio is definitely the first option(s).

What about Reta?

I agree try and get everything out of those before moving to more drug scenarios

Am running Reta actually hopefully that might assist with it

 

[Mufasa123]

Did you have the blood drawn before you took your daily dose of winstrol? I took my labs a couple of hours after taking the winny. Im considering getting another set of labs before taking the winny just to see how big of a difference there is , if any.

I'll also offer that your numbers aren't bad at all. Lots of guys get those liver enzyme levels or close from purely training. Lipids aren't perfect but not horrible.

I'm not telling you that you are totally unaffected or doing good things for your body but nothing is screaming "stop now" or likely causing damage. Now that doesn't mean stay on for 6 months and double the dosage but for a limited period this shouldn't be an issue.

I don't use orals often and haven't ever gone over 50-75mg daily but 30 days off and I revert to 100% normal so it's a temporary thing. Your numbers look fine for what you are taking (I think Luki said similar above). I'd be even more surprised if your numbers didn't move. I'm pretty resilient (you've seen mine) but they dependably move and not in a good direction. I just limit frequency and dosage. I've probably stayed on orals 12-16 weeks but that was a once off. I'm usually 8 weeks max and often less. Best practice for health, no, but none of this is so it's degrees and tradeoffs. If my bloods blew up as I've seen some people's, I'd not use them.

 

[Siggy]

I'll also offer that your numbers aren't bad at all. Lots of guys get those liver enzyme levels or close from purely training. Lipids aren't perfect but not horrible.

I'm not telling you that you are totally unaffected or doing good things for your body but nothing is screaming "stop now" or likely causing damage. Now that doesn't mean stay on for 6 months and double the dosage but for a limited period this shouldn't be an issue.

I don't use orals often and haven't ever gone over 50-75mg daily but 30 days off and I revert to 100% normal so it's a temporary thing. Your numbers look fine for what you are taking (I think Luki said similar above). I'd be even more surprised if your numbers didn't move. I'm pretty resilient (you've seen mine) but they dependably move and not in a good direction. I just limit frequency and dosage. I've probably stayed on orals 12-16 weeks but that was a once off. I'm usually 8 weeks max and often less. Best practice for health, no, but none of this is so it's degrees and tradeoffs. If my bloods blew up as I've seen some people's, I'd not use them.

My bloodwork goes back to normal after being off orals for 4 weeks, but I still want to see about doing something to help out those values while on orals.

 

[hotrod]

As with most AAS people do react differently, Ive never had a problem on winstrol with labs,some elevation. Anadrol for 4 weeks will blow them thru the roof

 

[specter]

I think what people here also are missing is, what other drugs was used at the time, maybe other types of medications etc there are so many factores that playes into your bloodwork and how your body responds.

 

[tinycalves]

After 3 weeks of 50MG Winstrol I decided to check my labs. I love Winny, its my favorite oral and will always use it to cut, so I figured I should see what its doing to my labwork.

I am also currently on 900mg Test E.

Keep in mind that I am also taking a robust amount of liver support which includes:

1000MG Tudca
3600MG NAC
1000MG Milk Thistle
6000MG Spirulina (great for lowering LDL)
2000mg Vit C
4000MG Astragalus



Well, that 50MG of Winstrol told me to take my robust liver support and shove it my ass.

Labwork after 3 weeks of 50mg Winstrol=

LDL 140 (Usually 113 on 900mg Test)
HDL 27 (Usually 37 on 900mg Test)
Triglycerides 166 (Usually 80 on 900mg Test)
Non HDL Cholesterol 170 (Usually 130 on 900MG Test)

Hematocrit 55 (Usually 50 on 900MG Test)

AST 76 (Usually 40)
ALT 106 (Usually 40


I was dissapointed and expecting a lower ALT and lower cholesterol numbers, considering all the ancillaries im taking.

I am considering take a statin during oral cycles now. Does anybody do this strictly on orals?

Also does anyone think Glutathione injections would lower the ALT any more than what my current support already does?

You may have a significant improvement if you used injectable winstrol. Specifically this avoids first pass, and there are studies indicating injectable is more favorable on lipid profile.

And yes, a low dose high potency statin can definitely be helpful and protective for your vessels and heart. Honestly, I would be even more interested in repatha, however hard to get and expensive.

 

[Neuro1234]

I agree try and get everything out of those before moving to more drug scenarios

Am running Reta actually hopefully that might assist with it

@DOGGCRAPP has demonstrated great improvements with pantethine in the lipid department. He’s spoken about it several times on here.

 

[Siggy]

You may have a significant improvement if you used injectable winstrol. Specifically this avoids first pass, and there are studies indicating injectable is more favorable on lipid profile.

And yes, a low dose high potency statin can definitely be helpful and protective for your vessels and heart. Honestly, I would be even more interested in repatha, however hard to get and expensive.

Im in the process of trying to score some Oil Based Winstrol, then I will post the results down the road.

I have heard too many horror stories about water based Winstrol, but the Oil type is hard to find so I may not have a choice.

 

[madg]

My favorite oral by far

No problems for me

 

[oilyone03]

B-complex taken on empty stomach, you can eat about 45 min after. That alone will help your liver over anything.

 

[A50#]

I had previously been running winstrol for 8 weeks at a time. After seeing this, will probably stick to 4 weeks at a time.

Notice any blood pressure issues with the 50mg Winstrol?

 

[Doitagain]

As with most AAS people do react differently, Ive never had a problem on winstrol with labs,some elevation. Anadrol for 4 weeks will blow them thru the roof

We definitely all react differently.
100mg Anadrol/day doesn't touch my AST/ALT

 

[Siggy]

Notice any blood pressure issues with the 50mg Winstrol?

BP is one metric I have never thought about tracking during an oral cycle. I would not be surprised if mine is elevated on an oral cycle, especially something as strong as Win.

 

[Siggy]

Nothing surprising, Vinstrol destroys lipids more than anything else, although AST and ALT are normal for a person with large muscle mass who trains - personally I don't pay attention at all if they don't exceed 150-200, I only pay attention to GGT and bilirubin

Thanks. You have seen a lot of bloodwork, how normal are each of the values of my values of AST/ALT, LDL and HDL and hematocrit compared to other people on 50MG of oral winstrol?

Do you think that there would be better values with injectable winstrol?

I was expecting the other values to look crappy, but the hematocrit was a surprise. I was clocking a hematocrit of 50 on 900mg Test before I took the winstrol.

 

[Siggy]

I also did 4 weeks of inj oil winny, on top of a base of 500mg test 200mg tren, 150 EQ. Adding 10mg Ezetimibe with existing 5mg rosuvastatin actually lowered my LDL. Left side is with 50mg winny, right is without.


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Thanks, but how did you manage to actually lower your ALT by taking Winstrol?? And your AST only went up by 7 points while on Winstrol? Did you take your lab work in the middle of the Winstrol cycle, or after?

 

[Siggy]

Ok, I was asking ChatGPT about orals usage and it came up with some answers that were actually kind of insane for an Ai.

Unfortunately I am too lazy to upload pics of what the Ai said, but it was pretty nuanced. It broke down which orals were most stressful on the liver and similar stuff.

 

[Swifto]

Have you tried running DHT injectables higher like Mast or Primo and see if you get the same effects as Winstrol?

 

[Doitagain]

Thanks. You have seen a lot of bloodwork, how normal are each of the values of my values of AST/ALT, LDL and HDL and hematocrit compared to other people on 50MG of oral winstrol?

Do you think that there would be better values with injectable winstrol?

I was expecting the other values to look crappy, but the hematocrit was a surprise. I was clocking a hematocrit of 50 on 900mg Test before I took the winstrol.

I would say there's no way your HCT actually increased by 10% in three weeks. No AAS can do it in that time frame.
I put my money on different hydration status between the two tests.

 

[Mufasa123]

I would say there's no way your HCT actually increased by 10% in three weeks. No AAS can do it in that time frame.
I put my money on different hydration status between the two tests.

This right here. Winstrol pulls water out. Will likely have some effect on blood - hydration massively affects HCT score. I've seen mine move 4-5pts in 36hrs (same fucking Quest lab too) and I wasn't manipulating it on any extreme way (was trying to be reasonably hydrated both times).

I'm also very sensative to holding water as it hits my blood pressure. For this reason starting winstrol and Tren, at least in some periods, actually lowered my BP to some degree. Not suggesting this happens across a large population routinely.

 

[traininsane11]

I would say there's no way your HCT actually increased by 10% in three weeks. No AAS can do it in that time frame.
I put my money on different hydration status between the two tests.

This about nails it. Guy who does my bloods who was one of the first guys doing it here in the UK in this industry so he’s seen it all was saying hydration is absolutely everything to get accurate readings.

He’s had people do bloods and look like their at deaths door then come back a week later hydrated and everything’s spot on

Not saying hydration is the be all and end all (im not Eddie hall) but it’s certainly a massive factor especially for accurate readings