When I read Mike's first post I was going to reply how I knew he thinks high dosed lantus is the optimal way and low dosed lantus is a waste of time in most scenarios. Goal's post about diabetics is spot on too. Obviously they don't eat much but it's not like they are walking round huge from using high doses of insulin. When used by bodybuilders though it can obviously change people fast.
I think another important thing about insulin is that it is an advanced drug and shouldn't really be used unless someone has intentions to get as big as possible and is already doing everything else 100%, good diet, good training, decent aas dose, decent gh dose, ideally a competitor trying to go up a weight class, earn pro card etc. People at this level should already have a good understanding of various drugs, their personal diet needs etc and that more drugs, or being bigger in general = more health risks.
I don't think insulin is for someone just trying to look good/gym rat, it will help their physique if used properly but why? insulin is not needed to look big/good at the gym. It can be fun to try insulin just to see how it feels and there is no harm if used in reasonable amounts and short duration.
I do not think anyone should be using insulin constantly unless they are diabetic or they are making a living from bodybuilding, by that point they should already know what insulin protocol is best for them and if they need it for their physique goals
I think the last point could be argued. Obviously everyone are adults so can use what they want. Just because someone doesn't compete doesn't mean they shouldn't use a specific drug. Many have posted guys shouldn't use aas who don't compete. Bodybuilding could be a very important part of someones life without them wanting to compete or make a living from it.
To me it's kinda like these gym rats I see at the gym that think they are "powerlifters", Top of the line huge knee wraps, fancy belt, power lifting shoes, wrist wraps and chalk on upper back to squat 315lbs for 1 sloppy rep at a body weight of 200+ lbs. Sure the equipment looks cool and probably makes the guy feel like superman but it just looks silly.
I actually saw this about a week ago, some new guy at the gym all suited out, I though he was some kind of pro Olympic lifter with all the gear he had on, was excited to see a huge squat only to see him struggle with 315.
But I have no problem with someone trying insulin just to try, most wont stick with it long term anyways
and by insulin being an advanced drug what I mean is in order to get most out of insulin you need to have everything else, diet, training, aas, and hgh along with insulin, taking insulin with one of those variables missing wont produce the best results
If using Lantus at around 100iu+ as Mike Arnold suggested, would one still use the 10g per 1iu protocol considering Lantus is 'safer' than the others in regards to hypoglycaemia?
Does that mean one has to consume 1000g of carbs throughout the day to cover the insulin dose?
If using Lantus at around 100iu+ as Mike Arnold suggested, would one still use the 10g per 1iu protocol considering Lantus is 'safer' than the others in regards to hypoglycaemia?
Does that mean one has to consume 1000g of carbs throughout the day to cover the insulin dose?
Thought I'd keep this thread from dying since it has a lot of useful info. In people's experience, when does insulin sensitivity become bad enough that you cycle off ur basal insulin? Given the vicious cycle of adding more insulin to keep fasting BG levels down, you eventually hit a point where this becomes counterproductive.
I'm trying out tresiba right now with 5iu gh daily and noticed that at 15iu, my waking BG was 113 which was a bit of a mindfuck despite only being on tresiba for a week. I'm not sure if at this point I take a few days off the slin and run through some metformin or I keep upping the daily tresiba dose. At this point seeing MA's recommended doses, I think I can add a bit more before I come off.
Also, do people use metformin using basal insulin or does it pose a problem with possible hypoglycemia?
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I'd go watch/listen to some interviews with Colette Nelson where she discusses Lantus.
IMO, Lantus is better used to lower blood sugar because of GH. Even then, the amount of slin actually used is smaller—20-40ius spread out over 24 hour period.
I know guys that have used Lantus and could only use it for 2-3 weeks because of the extreme insulin resistance they got quiiiick.
I'm much more comfortable using insulin-R and humalog.