Last Run, progress pics and cycle critique.

[aminofreak]

Obviously you have more experience than me, but I would have thought 500 test and 350 npp with some gh and dbol is pretty damn of mild for a SHW?… and only 5iu gh too

I was a little taken back by that as well.
I was running 800mg test, 600mg deca, 50mg dbol split, at 230lbs 14%bf prior to the injury, and even that is lower than what I've gone in the past.

But I do see the point, 6 months no gear (low dose test only) and no training basically re set my body. So I should respond to much less.

I'm only running 250mg Test weekly and 2iu hgh currently. I'll keep this going until I can see how I'm progressing and re evaluate.

 

[luki7788]

Obviously you have more experience than me, but I would have thought 500 test and 350 npp with some gh and dbol is pretty damn of mild for a SHW?… and only 5iu gh too

the question is why would he start higher if he didn't train for half a year and didn't take anything lol - it's like after half a year without training he suddenly put on 600lbs and wanted to do a squat

 

[KingOfSushi]

the question is why would he start higher if he didn't train for half a year and didn't take anything lol - it's like after half a year without training he suddenly put on 600lbs and wanted to do a squat

I agree. I’m referring to how you called that a SHW cycle.

 

[luki7788]

I agree. I’m referring to how you called that a SHW cycle.

Week 11-20 750mg Test C
Week 11-20 500mg Primo
Week 11-20 100mg Tren A eod
Week 11-20 75mg Anavar Daily
Week 11-20 5iu hgh pre workout
Week 11-20 10iu Novalin R pre Workout
Week 11-20 Mod grf Ghrp 2 pre bed

=2125mg week - these are definitely the doses of a heavyweight bodybuilder

 

[KingOfSushi]

Week 11-20 750mg Test C
Week 11-20 500mg Primo
Week 11-20 100mg Tren A eod
Week 11-20 75mg Anavar Daily
Week 11-20 5iu hgh pre workout
Week 11-20 10iu Novalin R pre Workout
Week 11-20 Mod grf Ghrp 2 pre bed

=2125mg week - these are definitely the doses of a heavyweight bodybuilder

Apologies as I didn’t even see those weeks. I definitely would lean more into the GH personally and less gear myself in his scenario.

 

[alfresco]

I think he was talking about the newbie poster that just created an account last week.

Thanks for the correction. Apologies. It was not intended to be a shot at you. Got it ass-backwards.

 

[Flex500]

I tore my rotator cuff in September last year warming up on incline presses. Full thickness tear and had Surgery November 6th.
I stopped working out completely after the injury and got fat as fuck and lost a considerable amount of muscle.

I got back in the gym end of December only doing legs and uni lateral movements as my right arm was imobile. I jumped right into a calorie deficit, low dose test and gh, and leaned up decently. Not my best look, but not bad for 7 weeks of dieting on low doses and very low intensity workouts.

I got cleared to strength train 2 weeks ago and it's humbling. Bicep and triceps strength are still fairly equal, but pressing and lateral movements are beyond pathetic. 10lb side laterals are incredibly difficult. 135lbs on smith inclines barely for 10 reps...
I'm going to continue to do a trt dose of test with 2iu hgh until my strength returns, but then I wanna go one last run this year before dropping to a legitimate trt dose and focusing on longevity and doing more functional fitness things.

I've played with insulin and hgh a bit years ago, but never committed to it long enough to notice anything significant. Here is something I put together, would like some criticism if it's needed.

Week 1-8 500mg Test C.
Week 1-8 100mg NPP eod
Week 1-8 30mg Dbol ed
Week 1-8 5iu hgh pre workout
Week 1-8 10iu Novalin R pre Workout
Week 1-8 Mod grf Ghrp 2 pre bed
Week 1-8 50mcg T4 (if needed)

Week 9-10 Mini Cut
500mg Test C
250mg DNP ed
Mod grf Ghrp 2 pre bed

Week 11-20 750mg Test C
Week 11-20 500mg Primo
Week 11-20 100mg Tren A eod
Week 11-20 75mg Anavar Daily
Week 11-20 5iu hgh pre workout
Week 11-20 10iu Novalin R pre Workout
Week 11-20 Mod grf Ghrp 2 pre bed

Week 21-26 Cruise 250mg Test C
Week 21-26 2.5iu hgh AM

Repeat Above 20week Cycle 1 more time



Diet will be high protein, high carb, moderate fat.

Workouts will be early morning so my first 3 meals will be the majority of my carb intake, 0 fat and fast digesting proteins. Rest of the day will be Healthy fats, veggies and protein.

Workouts push,pull,legs off repeat

I guess the point of all this is, I want to experience what all the hype is about gh and insulin. I'm 40 years old and just wanna have that memory of holy fuck look what I used to look like haha. Obviously 1 year isn't going to make me a pro, but I should be able to surpass anything I've accomplished in my younger days.

Anyways, let me know what yall think.

maybe there is a happy medium....your weeks 1-8 seem reasonable at about a gram a week...why not just sit at those doses and compounds a little longer like 16 weeks and maybe slightly up the doses over that time...do a ~4 week lower dose mini cut...and then ramp it up a little higher?

Your weeks 1-8 doses don't seem far off what luki is suggestion, I'd just extend it and scale the doses up higher over 16 weeks or more.

 

[aminofreak]

maybe there is a happy medium....your weeks 1-8 seem reasonable at about a gram a week...why not just sit at those doses and compounds a little longer like 16 weeks and maybe slightly up the doses over that time...do a ~4 week lower dose mini cut...and then ramp it up a little higher?

Your weeks 1-8 doses don't seem far off what luki is suggestion, I'd just extend it and scale the doses up higher over 16 weeks or more.

For sure. If I can do more with less I will. I do like the idea of just running Test + Primo + hgh and increasing doses slowly as progress slows. I don't think I've ever ran such a simple protocol. I've always changed the drugs up every 8 to 10 weeks so that my body would never adapt.

 

[luki7788]

For sure. If I can do more with less I will. I do like the idea of just running Test + Primo + hgh and increasing doses slowly as progress slows. I don't think I've ever ran such a simple protocol. I've always changed the drugs up every 8 to 10 weeks so that my body would never adapt.

"adopting" is nonsense - 99% of clients run e.g. the entire 9 month offseason for e.g. test+EQ - why fix something that works well?

 

[Knight9]

Thanks brother, and yea I agree. Re injury is my biggest fear.

Was it a SLAP tear? Did you have any supraspinatus tear or bicep tendinitis or tendinosis? Can you explain more about the surgery and recovery?
Did you use peptides to heal?

 

[Sectør]

wishing you a speedy rebound. Your physique in your profile picture is damn impressive, it’s obvious you’re not new to this and I’m sure whatever cycle you decide on will be just fine.

I do think there’s been some very fair/good advice given, but also some maybe overly harsh criticisms as well

Most rookies run just 500 test their first cycle, don’t really see adding 350npp on top of that being a big deal personally if you’ve been doing this a decade + and know how your body responds

 

[aminofreak]

Was it a SLAP tear? Did you have any supraspinatus tear or bicep tendinitis or tendinosis? Can you explain more about the surgery and recovery?
Did you use peptides to heal?

Yes it was a full thickness tear of the supraspinatus. Surgery went fine, I was in a immobilizer sling for 6 weeks. Started PT 2 weeks after surgery.

I did run BPC 157 at 500mcg daily and TB 500 at 5mg weekly (split 2.5/2.5) as well as 2iu hgh pm 7 days a week. Dropped my test down to 200mg once weekly. Not sure if I really noticed anything from the peptides. I don't have a similar injury to compare so I just went off other people's advice. My doctor told me I healed at a normal pace, so honestly if I were to re injur this shoulder or the other one, I'd probably not take any peptides at all...

I feel like I might be getting frozen shoulder. I've probably gone too hard to quick in the gym as soon as they cleared me. I'm scheduled to go in for a cortisone shot to help ease the inflation and break down some of the scar tissue causing impingement.