Last Straw - ACCUTANE!

[TooPowerful4u]

I wanna know what everyone thinks about accutane and who has used it? Im gonna be on only sust and GH for the next 4 months, so i was thinking about using accutane along with it. It wont hurt my cycle or bulking right? I know its tough on my liver, but 4 months on it should do it right? Money isnt the issue.

Ever since i started juicing, it comes in spurts. I get broken out all over my chest shoulders n back. Not BAD, but definatly noticable. I can control it if i do a million different things like bodyscrub 3x per day, high doses of b5, astringent, etc.. It is taking up too much time and bieng an anoyance just to stay normal. I really wanna use accutane, so im lookin for opinions. Im 21yrs old.

 

[joshbarnett]

have you simply tried tanning regularly...this will dry up your skin. accutane is potent shit and i would avoid it.

 

[JAG]

In my younger and dumber days I did accutane while on test/EQ/dbol cycle. My doc scheduled blood work before and one month after starting accutane. It did not take long...after the first month my liver values dropped. My doc was concerned and asked my to take another in two weeks. I immediately stopped Dbol and by next test only marginal improvement so doc lowered accutane dose. I realized I was being stupid and stopped cycle and did not have anymore problems.

I would suggest waiting till you are finished with cycle. FYI..The results where definitely worth it as I have not had any acne problems since. I you do decide to try regular blood work is a must!

 

[mike1107]

dbol gave me a bad ass acne !
I used accutane and it helped me a lot but it let me scars
the thing that helped me the most was sun/tanning : it dries your skin and makes you look good
be prepared to have your lips always bloody every time you smile, at least this is what happened to me . otherwise it's the best in the war vs acne

 

[Maverick]

Aot fo the guys here have given good advice. Accutane is a potent acne fighter. It works by stopping your sabecious glands from producing oil which is always a plus when using AAS. Like alot of the guys have already said it is very harsh on your liver , probably as bad or worse than anadrol as far as toxicity values are concerned. It is possible to use Acctuane while on a cycle but it isn't advisable. Take the accutane before or after your cycle is completed this way there will be no chance of mixed toxicity levels from the d-bol and accutane. Be prepard though it is expensive and it does work but it usually makes your acne worse for a little while before it gets better. Why I have no idea but it does and also you muct stay out of sunlight on accutane. It dires out your skin and your lips so you will have to use mosturizer with it but once the cycle of accutane is completed it works wonders. Hope this helps bro.






Maverick

 

[TooPowerful4u]

Well i planned on doing it starting in september so not much worry about being out in the sun a lot here in Jersey. Also, i wasnt going to use ANY orals becuase usually dont anyway while on accutane. Just GH and Sust. i am willing to suffer some setbacks like dry skin, temporary worse acne, etc.. as long as im ok in the long run and its not gonna fuck up my liver permanently. Accutane downregulates acne for life right, not just wile on it right? Also, couldnt i take a liver protectant like the one from synthetek or some milk thistle to help protect my liver? Iv tried tanning, my body adjusts after a few months, and acne comes right back. Im not gonna tan year round just to rid myself of acne. I just want it gone

 

[diskey]

How much ones liver can cope with is induvidual. I started accutane prescribed from my derm March 04 and finsihed in late June at 80mg ed all the way. In late Marsch I started a prop 1-10 600mg ew and winny 50mg ed 5-10. I did one blood test while on just prop and all values were fine. Then I did another one In week 9 and my liver and kidney values were a little high, but derm told me that is what nothing to worry about. Then when I had like 2-3 weeks left with accu, -1. June, I started an dbol only cycle with 40mg ed for 4 weeks. I did even then an blood test in the middle of the dbol cycle and liver and kidney values still just a little high.

I would consider accutane as liver toxic as any 17-aa oral mg for mg. Accu is actually a large dose of an special A-vitamin witch is directly liver toxic. You have to take blood tests to see how your body copes with it.

I think you will do fine with sust while on accu. Just take blood tests once a month to ensure everything is okey, also look for common indications of liver or kidney failure. It seems like when the liver is overworked it starts to use the kidneys to help clear the toxics. So be sure to use some sort of protection for these too. I would consider 500mg milkthistle a long with one glass of Cranberry juice ED.

It's important that you take accu for as long as you have been it prescribed, and not cut it off when your acne is gone. Be aware that the side effect can be quite strong. I had extreme dryness around the mouth and lips along with my arms.

It's over two months since I finished accu now. All my acne is gone and it feels great. The only problem I'm still having is that the dryness haven't gone all back to normal. I'm starting to take omega 6 and e-vit now to try to normalize my moisture levels.

Good luck whatever you choose to do!

 

[homonunculus]

Vit. B5

TP4U,

Read up on Vitamin B-5 (Pantothenic acid). It should do the trick w/o liver toxicity.

-Randy

 

[vaffancullo]

i would not use accutane while on a cycle b/c one of accutane's side effects is increased cholesterol and triglyceride levels. chances are your cholesterol and triglyceride levels may be elevated b/c of the gear you are taking. unless you are being monitored regulary (frequent blood tests) by a doc i wouldnt do it.

 

[TooPowerful4u]

Tried the B5 thing, it worked at high doses for about a month, then was ineffective not to mention started costing a lot of money and was a bitch swallowing all those pills. How long does it usuially take for accutane to create permanent results?

 

[homonunculus]

Tried the B5 thing, it worked at high doses for about a month, then was ineffective not to mention started costing a lot of money and was a bitch swallowing all those pills. How long does it usuially take for accutane to create permanent results?

This should solve the problem ($.15 / day if you do 5 g / day):

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"...was a bitch swallowing all those pills..." Did you really just write that?... LOL

And yes, the B-5 will taste kinda "yucky"... LOL (Just hold some water in your mouth, load in a spoonful - it will float - and then chug it down.)

-R

 

[TooPowerful4u]

LOL too funny bro. Will the megadoses of b5 every day for a long time hurt my bulking or cutting at all? What about the rest of my body, nothing i should be concerned about?

Thanx bro, il give it a shot for a while again, even if it is yucky lol.

 

[Ethan James]

I used IP accutane for 4 months at 2 tabs per day. One in the morning, one at before bed. I also used it with tren. Sounds pretty stupid, right? Well, I got my liver values checked 3 times during the 4 months and they were barely elevated. I was taking Milk Thistle and Synthergine at the time also.
I naturally have very oily skin, so when juicing it got really bad. After doing accutane, I have reduced my acne by about 95%. I will get one or two pimples here and there, but thats it. Other side effects weren't bad for me either. Dry and cracking lips was the most uncomfortable thing about it. I got no nausea or loss of appetite either.

This is a post I saved from the Old UG... It was what I used to decide my dosage and duration. It's got some good info.

Date: August 31, 2002 12:58 AM
Author: Big Kris ([email protected])
i post this a while back to someone else, but it applies to you all...
my advice is this....if you have bad acne and its on your chest and back shoulders etc....then i would do this, do 5-6 months of accutane straight no JUICE...yes NO juice....because to get the full effects of accutane u need to kill the sebum glands....and if you juice (which make the sebum glands overactive) you are coutering out the effects of accutane...which means less results while on the accutane and less results in the future, plus Accutane is nasty, nasty shit. I'm sure most of us know that vitamin A is one of the more toxic vitamins available. Well, accutane is two chemical steps past vitamin A...13-cis retinoic acid. This stuff puts tremendous stress on your liver, as its very resistant to regular vitamin A breakdown enzymes (hence has a long half life) and is poorly exported. you're supposed to take it in order to permenantly alter gene expression in your sebacious (oil) glands. During this brief time, your liver is going through hell, as it has to juggle existing vitamin A stores with this metabolite you're exposing it to. I'd stay away from any gear while you're on it...the dosage is weight dependant....and also slightly on how bad the acne is...

if you got a 10 out of 10 bad acne and weight over 220 lbs then u need 120 mgs ED for 5-6 months....your 1st month may be 80 mgs per day

if you got a 5 out of 10 acne and weight over 220 then u can get away with 80 mgs ED for 5-6 months

if you got a 10 out of 10 bad acne and weight under 200 lbs then u need 80 mgs ED for 6 months....your 1st month may be 60 mgs per day

if you got a 5 out of 10 bad acne and weight under 200 lbs then u need 60 mgs ED for 6 months....your 1st month may be 40 mgs per day


these are approximations, everyone is a little different

you should not juice because it will and can really phuk up the liver, besides it increases your chances of the acne comming back in the future, hence u just wasted some good accutane and money because the real gel caps arent CHEAPPPPPPPPPPPP

1. in the studies on accutane 2 things came out crystal clear...if you do not do it long enough (4-8 months) then there is a good chance u will have to do accutane again (esp if your a juicer) because u didnt kill the sebum glands...u just pist them off and dried your skin out...thats why they tell u to stay on it even when ur skin clears up...because in order for it to work right, u must not just dry the skin out, u must kill the sebum glands

2. 2nd thing from the studies on it....if you do not do enough of a high dosage then there is a good chance u will have to do accutane again (esp if your a juicer) because u didnt kill the sebum glands...u just pist them off and dried your skin out...thats why they tell u to stay on it even when ur skin clears up...because in order for it to work right, u must not just dry the skin out, u must kill the sebum glands...with accutane MORE IS BETTER...this is not so for most drugs...but with ACCUTANE MORE IS BETTER...to a point dont go crazy and do 180 mgs when u could do 120 mgs....u must dose it just right and to be on the safe side up the dosage 20mgs for a while...then back down....

3. get blood work done ASAP and while on it every month...

4. TAKE ALPHA LIPOIC ACID @ 1000mg per day
possibly take milk thistle as well but definately Alpha lipoic acid


if you do 1,2,3,4 and not juice then u will get 100% great results from accutane and you will thank me 2 years from now when u are on 1 g of sust, 50 mgs dbol, 400 mgs EQ...and then finish with 6 weeks of winny and u WERE ACNE FREE FOR THE WHOLE CYCLE AND EVEN POST CYCLE.... do it right, be smart....and u wont regret it

accutane is 6 months of hell, dry chapped lips and rashes and dandruff, bloody noses, but WELL WORTH IT....

now if you have done accutane before and or have minimal zits during a cycle and post cycle like a 3 out of 10, then do these things (u can also add in approx 10 mgs eod of accutane to help mid and or just post cycle to help keep the skin dryer and clearer, just make sure not to do it will on 17aa orals, and to take 1000 mg ALA and possibly milk thistle)

ok here is what to do
antibiotic dicloxacillin 1500mgs per day or so approx (ive heard this will do just as good as accutane and within a week or so u should see a dramatic difference

in the mean time till u get the antibiotics (oh ya tetra, doxy, mino, SUCK....dont use them in the place of dicloxacillin)

alcohol witch hazel combo 50%/50% spray your affected areas after every shower (you should be taking 3 a day) let it air dry and then again if you like (i do that at night time) , it will help dry out the oily skin and is a antiinflamitory to help the ones there already

zinc picolante 50 mgs per day (the most absorb'd form of zinc)

chromium at least 120 mcgs per day(your multivit prob has this) (ance sometimes is referred to diabetes of the skin and this helps with insulin sensitivity)

vitamin b-5 (pantheonic acid) if you got it bad i would use minimum 5 grams per day cheapest i have found is by NOW and cost me like 13-15 bucks for 125 grams (it is 500 mgs capsules) i also used to use country life 1000 mg slow release b-5

beta carotene 25,000 i u capsules (i would take 100,000 iu per day and drop it in half when u see a 50% improvement) this is vitamin a and its non liver toxic unlike real vitamin a, and a 20-30 mg accutane capsule is in my estimation equal to 300,000 iu vitamin a or so (something like this i used to be more accurate but forgot the actual equilivent but this is close) its super cheap

vitamin c vitamin e will help and u should be taking them anyways

antibiotics (some form of peneicillin seems to be popular and some swear by it like streatch mark boy) dicloxiciline and 500 mgs 4 x a day ( i would take a pro-biotic if you take this one as well, Acidophilus i think PB8 is one of those types of supplements)

flax oil 3-6 tbsp per day

all above things should be easy to get and u should see improvement with in a week and within a month most if not all should be gone, in the future use this above stack to keep your acne at bay while on...all and all it wont cost more than 100 bucks for 3-4 months supply, and is WELL WORTH IT and some of them u should be taking anyways



if you have any specific questions please PM me...ill help as much as i can....

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Date: April 06, 2002 07:38 AM
Author: Big Kris ([email protected])
You can dry pimples up by putting lemon juice or apple cider vinegar on a cotton ball and applying it to the pimples.
Vitamin A reduces production of keratin and its build-up in the follicle
Tea Tree oil has long been used for mild to moderate acne
This special form of zinc has been used because it is better absorbed than other forms. Zinc plays an important role in skin health. Studies have shown that supplementation with zinc helps reduce acne breakouts. A deficiency of zinc can cause skin problems such as acne. Too little zinc weakens immunity, but too much does so also. In one study zinc given to acne patients was shown to be as effective as an oral antibiotic. The amount given was 30 mg two to three times a day. Improvement may take up to 2 to 3 months. I don't recommend taking over 60 mg a day, and never over 100 mg. When taking zinc long term, you must take 2 or 3 mg of copper a day. This is because zinc and copper block each other's absorption in the body. If you supplement with zinc but not with copper, you could induce a copper deficiency, which leads to certain health problems. The best form of copper is copper sulfate or cupric sulfate. Try to avoid copper oxide, which the body can't absorb.
Chromium Picolinate to balance sugar and fatty acid metabolism which are known to aggravate skin conditions (many dermatologists call acne skin diabetes) Researchers have found that people with unstable blood sugar levels have a high incidence of severe acne and that when these patients are given 400 micrograms of chromium in the form of yeast, their skin rapidly improved Chromium is found in brewers yeast and molasses. High-chromium yeast is known to improve glucose tolerance and enhance insulin sensitivity. In an uncontrolled study, chromium was reported to induce rapid improvement in patients with acne.
Anti-Inflammatory remedies used topically within the context of daily hygiene can be helpful. Astringents will, when used topically, similarly help in cleansing and avoid secondary infection. See below
Witch hazel and alcohol in a spray bottle 50/50 mix and spray 2-3 times a day over the affected area..
EFA’s flax or udo’s very good for the body and skin
We all know about b-5 anywhere from 2-10 grams a day may be effective
Here is my anti acne stack Vitamin A 100,000 IU/day for 3 months (I use beta carotene because its not liver toxic)(while on I normally take 50,000 iu but start with 100,000 and drop from there as needed) Vitamin E 400 IU/day (anti oxidant) Vitamin C 1000 mg/day (anti oxidant) Zinc 50 mg/day as picolinate Selenium 200 mg/day Brewer's Yeast 1 tablespoon twice a day or at minimum 120 micrograms and up to 400 micrograms of chromium Alcohol and witch hazel spray 2-3 times a day on affected areas 1-2 grams of vitamin b 5 (but some people only get results from like 12 grams a day) tanning a few times a week drinking plenty of water 3-6 tbsp of flax per day steam room a few times a week to open the pores and push out the oils (steam then jump into the cold pool or cold shower to open and close the pores repeat a few times tea tree oil wash (good stuff) benzoyl peroxide at night if I get any little zits I take 2 showers where I use soap (I use dove because if you over dry the skin it will try to counter act it and produce more oil to balance out the dryness) I normally take a rinse off as well, where I just jump in the shower and rinse off like 1-2 min I use a non-pore clogging lotion after the morning shower but in the evening I don’t use the lotion. Propecia or finastride ive never used but heard a few good things about it
Ive used tetracycline, doxycycline, monocycline and never got any results from them
Ive read a lot about the dicloxaciline 250 mgs 4 times a day I think was the dosage
If I was you I would start taking all the above shit for the next month or so and if you don’t see any results then I would get my hands on some accutane and start taking it immed. 20 mgs a day for a month or so will get u back on track for the competation, then after its over u might consider a 5-6 month treatment on the accutane juice free…it will be well worth it…as it kills the sebum glands permanently…but I think u will see results from the above shit…and its pretty cheap as well…all the above shit should cost less than 50 bucks and no more than 75 bucks…tanning included haha…plus im sure u are taking some of these things already (E, C, multivitamin, flax, tanning)
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Date: December 19, 2001 10:34 AM
Author: Big Kris ([email protected])
hum, i didnt know the beta c was non toxic...thats very interesting...i just use vit A 25,000 iu caps (2 or 4 of them per day) spray yourself with a 50/50 solution of witch hazel and alcohol 91%...get some zinc 50 mgs...vitamin b5 (panthothenic acid) few grams per day....i dont like retin A never saw any results from it...if you havent done accutane i strongly recommend it for 6 months @ a high dosage to make sure u kill the sebum glands..thats what i did and i make sure i dont break out anymore by using the above "stack"...BK
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Date: November 09, 2001 12:58 AM
Author: Big Kris ([email protected])
ok accutane is a touchy thing...most people only need 1 round of it to fix the problem (considering if the did it for 5-6 months at the correct dosage) but some people who only did a low dosage and for less that 5 months may need another round, and some people need 2 rounds just to take care of the problem, but if you do it right i would guess that 95% of people dont need round 2 or 3...how much was your dosage last time around? if it was 60 mgs i would up it 20 mgs to 40 mgs 2 times daily...for 6 months...not 5...I WOULDS NOT DO ANY JUICE WHILE ON IT THIS ROUND...and i know its tough but its somthing u have to do to prevent the reoccuring breakouts...YOU MUST KILL THE SEBUM GLANDS IN THE SKIN AND JUICE MAKES THEM PRODUCE MORE OIL so its defeating the purpose...now search on acne and read my suggestions for pre-during-and post cycle acne recommendations... so take all the accutane now and get some IP 20mgs for the future cycles... i would think that 40 mgs per week would suffice for future cycles and on the days u dont take accutane during the cycle take 50,000 I.U. vitamin A...if you have any questions after searching the acne threads from the UG e mail me and ill help you out...i broke out once really bad and since then never again...i learned how to control it to pretty much nothing...BK
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Date: October 09, 2001 05:05 PM
Author: Big Kris ([email protected])
here is what i suggest...stop juicing go on the accutane for 6 months at a high dose...the dose is weight dependant...200 lb guy needs approx 80 mgs a day for 6 months...then on the next cycle use 50,000 i.u. vitamin A (bump that up to 100,000 i.u. if you see some acne come up but no ACCUTANE WITH THE VITAMIN A), 1-8 grams of vitamin B5 per day (start lower then add more if you see acne come up, get a spray bottle half with rubbing alcohol (get the 91% tough stuff) and half with witch hazel, also zinc 50mg per day...this should clear u up...i suggest you do it this way because the accutane at first will kill you sebum glands (oil glands) and the acne prob wont be a problem even when on cycle, but those other things help to ensure...you can start with the above stuff witout the accutane and it should h elp ALOT, but in the order i said above is the way to go about it for future clearness...good luck...if ya need some accutane e mail me...BK
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Date: July 24, 2001 01:59 PM
Author: Big Kris ([email protected])
how much do you weigh, dosage is weight dependant ( youll probably need at least 40mgs, but more likely youll need up to 80 mgs) how bad is you acne on a 1-10 scale (10 being you are covered in big cystic type zits)if you are 200 lbs or more and the acne is like a 5-10 youll need the higher dosage, 80 mgs, for 6 months if you less than 200 and acne is 0-5 then you might get away with 40 mgs for 5 months) 8 weeks isnt enough for even a little 100 lb girl you MUST do it correctly and long enough to KILL the sebum glands (oil glands) 5-6 months of 40-80mgs per day, no juice and for sure no orals, no tanning and i can say that your acne problems are probably gone for sure...but if you dont go long enough or a high enough dosage you are wasting your time and money because it will come back. This is 5-6 months of hell, your skin gets all dry, rashes and dandruff likely, chapped lips and some depression, BUT NO MORE ZITS...you will be glad you did it...im not at my CPU till the end of the month, but i think i have some good info for you and maybe we can get you the accutane for free from roche, i might not have the info though, e mail me aug 1st and ill reply with some info for you...BIGKRIS
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Date: November 21, 2000 11:57 PM
Author: Papa Smurf ([email protected])
Accutane(Isotretinoin) is simply a synthetic derivative of Vitamin A. It will not kill "sebum glands" it only decreases the amount of oil that is produced by the sebaceous glands. It is a fact, that accutane is not a permenant cure for acne. 1 person in 10, acne returns after 1 year, 1 person in 4, acne returns after 2 years. So eventually, the production of oil kicks back in progressively over time. But, after looking at some real world experience, I have seen cystic acne cured for good. My own included. After my cycle my acne returned after only 2 months! But it has been 7 years since that cycle and I still only have the white-heads and black-heads, but no cystic shit. Even while using dbol,test,anadrol, and other goodies. The sad truth is, that there is no cure for acne. Your body eventually becomes immune to the effects of antibiotics, and you can only handle so many cycles of toxic amounts of vitamin A. And that is exactly what accutane is. That is why you are constantly monitored by your doctor while on. It seemed like it took about a year for the pain in my joints to subside from accutane use. So while I'm glad that I did do it, because it got rid of my cystic acne, I probably won't do it again unless my acne gets very severe. Acne runs in my family, and I'm sure I will have to live with it for the rest of my life. Some of my relatives still have it into their late 40's, and bad. I've found that, to keep break out to a minimum, try to tan 1-3 times a week, wash your face with Neutragena acne soap(bar). It helps to keep poors small. Get a scrub brush for your back, and for whatever pimples you do have, apply either teatree oil, Retin A, or diferrin gel(sp?). Whichever is available to you. Avoid squeezing cystic pimples until they come to a head or you could spread it further under the skin. Sometimes, they go away with out coming to a head and other times, they just take forever until they are ready to pop. I use to use sav on my cystic acne, and usually the next day they were ready to pop. You can also try the Pantothenic acid loading, some people have been doing well on it, and it isn't near as toxic as Vit A is since it is water soluble and not fat soluble. However, I don't think it will do much if your acne is either, very severe, or light-but very persistant, but you never know. It's still a fairly new thing and it's just like anything else in that it will work for some but will not for others.
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Date: November 21, 2000 12:29 AM
Author: Big Kris ([email protected])
accutane sometimes cures permanently and sometimes you have to take 2-3 courses to permanently cure it...it also depends on how you did your 1st accutane "cycle'..you MUST do it for 5-6 months and it must be a HIGH DOSAGE...if you only did 40 mgs research has proven that it will cure it for a shorter period of time than if you did 80...hence you would have to do another "cycle" of the accutane...it doesnt just cure cystic acne..its mainly used for people with cyctic acne...it KILLS the sebum glands so they cannot produce oil to cause the blockage and a zit...so its not selective, it will kill all ZITS....i disagree with papasmurf, i dont think he knows what he is talking about...BK
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Date: May 09, 2000 12:45 PM
Author: Big Kris ([email protected])
OK i see all these posts on acne and i think its probably the most common side effect so ill try to give some great info here for everyone...
Acne is considered male hormone dependant, and these hormones control the sebaceous gland secretion of oils, waxes to lubricate the skin..yet excess hormones exacerbate the development of abnormal growth of the hair follicile (the little red ones mainly that nizoral may help clear up)..but the excess secretion if not really the main problem, there is a poor correlation between blood levels of these hormones and severity of acne...more important is that the skin shows greater activity of an enzyme called 5-alpha-reductase, which converts testosterone to DHT (dihydrotestosterone)...one other aspect to consider that not too many people know or talk about is the contribution of intestinal toxaemia...some sutides (not for juice patients but i assume its exacerbated even more with most weight gaining diets)showed that 50% of patients with sever acne had increased blood levels of toxins absorbed from the intestines, and these toxins cause an increase in copper:zinc ratio which stimulates inflamation and enhances tissue destruction.
it also has been suggested that the skin is suffering from impaired glucose tolerance and insulin insensitivity (all u insulin users probably dont experience acne, let us know) and some derms inject insulin directly into lesions or systematically..some derms call this skin diabetes because skin biopsies revealed that their skin's glucose tolerace was significantly impared
remedy: chromium...which has been shown to improve glucose tolerance and enhance insulin sensitivity...probably 400 micrograms per day is sufficient
Vitamin A: reduces sebum production and hyperkeratosis of the sebaceous folliciles..50,000 IU per day for 2-3 weeks before cycle, during cycle, and 2-3 weeks after, just be careful because it can be toxic, (accutane is in the range of 300,00-400,000 IU per day i believe) and never this high on a cycle because it can be toxic as hell...the research i did on this showed that hypertosis of vit a (sever toxic levels of vit a) all the side effects will go away when stopped after a few weeks..so if you feel any wierd stuff stop lower the dosage or stop it for a few weeks
zinc: zinc does alot of stuff...it is involved in local hormone activation, vit a binding protein formation, wound healing, immune system activity, inflammation control and tissue regeneration..i wont go into the research but basically zinc has been to be effective as antibiotics like tetracycline (and no side effects like the cyclines like possible declined protein absorb, yellow teeth ect...) the majority of resrarch provided said that about 12 weeks of zinc supplementation before results start to show up, but cyclines take at least4-6 weeks...also levels of zinc are lower in 13-14 year old males than anyother age group (maybe thats a indication if i have ever seen one, because low levels of zinc increase the conversion of testosterone to its more active form DHT while high concentrations of zinc significantly inhibit this reaction)....last the type of zinc used should be zinc picolinate at 45-50 mgs per day..the picolinate is the most absorable form of zinc (and may make the results seen in less than 12 weeks)..other types of zinc will work but take longer prob wont be as effective...
vit E..mainly because it regulates vit a in humans...but has free radical properties that make it very useful
just a note: vitamin b6 is supplemented for women with premenstural acne, this reflects its role in the normal metabolism of steroid hormones, take this for what its worth, but vit b6 deficiency in rats appears to cause an increased uptake and sensitivity to testosterone....
Echinacea angustifolia: has properties that are good for inhibiting inflamation, promoteing healing, stimulating the immune system, killing bacteria all good for ance treatment. 500-1000 mgs
goldenseal: detoxifing and antibacterial properties
adding fiber into the diet to help absorb food properly and clean out bowels meaning less absorption of toxins
recap: vit a 50,000 iu vit b complex 3 x recommended daily allowance vit e:400-800 Iu per dau chromium: 400 micrograms per day zinc picolinate: 45-50 mgs per day fiber supplement echinacea augstifolia: 500-1000 mgs per day goldenseal
my experiences: accutane 40 mgs 1st month, 80 mgs for next 4 months, it was rough while on the accutane (no juice either) and all was cleared up, i had chapped lips and dry skin and flaking dandruff and flaking dandruff on my face..BUT WELL WORTH ALL THE BS that came along with the accutane..if you do it in winter like me youll have more dry chapped skin and if in the summer youll have less dry skin but sun sensivity...its your choice
i am gonna use small amount of accutane during next cycle like 40 mgs a week or something (2 weeks before, during, and last week of cycle and 2 weeks after ill use 80 mgs a week)
i wouldnt suggest anyone using nizoral i tried it and it really was a waste of 20 bucks...but i never tried the 2% prescription version...
a good soap bar to use while on is pan oxy bar its 5 or 10% benzoil peroxide bars
those facial muds that women use are highly effective in drying up oils sucking oils and other crap outta the pores, i like to use them on my shoulders and back and face even without any zits, makes you skin look and fell better..
dont shower too many times it dries the skin out so much that your body produces more oil to make up for it being so dry..the most impt time is right after working out
cleaning or changing sheets and pillow cases at least once a week..i know some of you guys probably never change yours...think of all the crap on those sheets. YUCK hahaha
light lotion is good after cleaning the skin
witch hazel..i use it on my legs with some aloe vera gel after shaving and no ingrown hairs..its good for inflamation of the skin
well im sure i missed a few, but ill re edit it here later on and see what else i can add...hope this helps all of you...BIGKRIS

 

[diskey]

Tried the B5 thing, it worked at high doses for about a month, then was ineffective not to mention started costing a lot of money and was a bitch swallowing all those pills. How long does it usuially take for accutane to create permanent results?

4 months should give an permantent effect for at least for a year+ I think. Accutane is a very special drug, and no one really know how it works for sure, but the most common explanation is that it actually tells the skin-cells in your body how to make proper new cells. I had a lot of "skin-worms" before, mostly in the face, after about a month on accu all of them just were "pushed" out by themselves. I thought it was dead skin because of the dry skin but it was incredable - I could just wipe them off, I talkin 100s of small worms. The reason why most users gets an permanet effect is because some of the isotrenin (the active substans) stays in the body for a long time after you finish the cycle.


Also IMO accu works at full effect even if your on aas. This drug is really strong, and nothing seems to can stop it. I think it's pretty overhyped this thing that no aas should be used - it makes perfect sence that you should not take any aas while using accu since they work agains each other, but accu will stop your glands so hard that aas wont have a change to give you more acne.

 

[JuicyFroot]

I wanna know what everyone thinks about accutane and who has used it? Im gonna be on only sust and GH for the next 4 months, so i was thinking about using accutane along with it. It wont hurt my cycle or bulking right? I know its tough on my liver, but 4 months on it should do it right? Money isnt the issue..

Accutane should be your last resort. I had severe cystic acne (not juice related). The doc put me on Accutane for 6 months, towards the end going for doses as high as 120mg/day. It totally made a mess of my liver, and had to go off it. So in the end, it didn't solve my problem. Pantothenic acid at 10000mg/day did the trick, though.

 

[homonunculus]

LOL too funny bro. Will the megadoses of b5 every day for a long time hurt my bulking or cutting at all? What about the rest of my body, nothing i should be concerned about?

Thanx bro, il give it a shot for a while again, even if it is yucky lol.

SHouldn't affect you negatively - there are no known toxicities for B vitamins (although some are now saying that is not the case for biotin).

I have never seen anyone report sides to B-5, nor have I heard of any.

5g / day seems to do the trick for maintenance for most. (You can load up w/ more for a week or so to clear up your skin.)

Hope this helps, man.

-R

 

[bigbadasian]

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|--[\\\]>--------- i will make this very easy for you. i am a VERY firm believer in 'tane, been through 2 cycles of it. 1st lasted 26 weeks, 2nd lasted 18 weeks. i had extreme acne at 1st and the 'tane REALLY cleared it up. it DID come back (not even close to what it was at first) but it still came back, that is when i chose to do a 2nd round. the doc actually didn't want me to do a 2nd, but i said everything else made me sick and i refused to do it, so they prescirbed it again. Now, 'tane is very hard on the liver so do NOT use any orals while on it, but you CAN do inj. my 1st cycle of 'tane i started inj. at week 16 through 26, 2nd cycle of 'tane i ran AAS inj. from beginning to end. Since i got the Rx thruogh a doc, i was obviously doing blood test every 4 weeks, which i suggest doing. Bottom line, if you have insuranc, there is NO reason NOT to do 'tane. with insurance, i paid like $130 for like 7-8 weeks worth....that is a HUGE dif. from NOT having insurance. Just go with the generic kind too if they ask, same thing and save yourself more $$. Generic have to pass the SAME tests as Rouche. Oh yeah, dry lips are bad, but keep some chapstick with you and you'll be fine. also, your skin is super sensitive so do NOT sun tan, it's getting to be fall now, so i guess that won't be a huge prob.

 

[TooPowerful4u]

Yea, i was wonderin why im only on injectables (sust and GH) and everyone is tellin me not to use it lol. I know b5 will probably work, but i dont wanna be taking 5k of b5 every day the rest of my life so i dont get acne. I think im gonna talk to my doc, he already knows i juice and monitors me, and im gonna see what he says. Rather go through this once and not have to worry about this stuff again, iv already got sum scars from picking at my acne cause i cant stand seeing a white head.

 

[diskey]

Accu is a very strong but also a miracle drug. The sides you might get high doses of vit b5 is trouble with the digestive system/ stomach in general, which can be quite troublesome over time. It will also not give any permanent effect. I can hardly belive thath it can be healthy to take so much b5 over longer periods.

Bottom line I have to say about accu is that the only thing I regret from the cycle is that I didn't start it earlier. I had to say clear to my doc that I wanted to try accu, I had bad cyst acne the last five years but he kept prescribing me all kind of creams and antibiotics wich not helped at all. If I had ran the cycle some years ago I would had prevented a lot of scars.


But also what kind of doses of sust are you planing to take ? I don't think I would go over 750mg-1g while using accu. Test in higher doses also stresses the liver/kidney system to a degree.

 

[bluto]

Accutane

I have used accutane several times b4 i started using any gear and even then I was finding my liver values out of place. My dermatoligist made me get blood tested 2-3 times every 4month course i done.

IMy skin cleared up completly by the time I was 22. Now that I have started using gear my acne has come back especially in a off cycle.

I found daily antibiotics (minitabs) which target the bacteria on the skin, have helped me alot. I have stayed on them for up2 6mnths with no ill effect.

I also found that keeping dosing of test and orals etc at even amounts and tapering on then off helped. When I used too much fow a few weeks then swapped compounds that would trigger my breakouts.