Latest keep me relevant influencer fad the sugar diet

[cmryan]

The main goal when doing a sugar fast is to get a boost in FGF21, which raises metabolic rate and fat utilization. Protein (and even a small amount of some amino acids like leucine, glycine an methionine) will stop the release of FGF21 which kinda defeats the purpose of the sugar fast

Yep, I understand that and that is why I was asking my question. I suppose I asked it poorly and I should have been more specific. Instead of ending the day with protein as many people are, could one begin a day with a protein meal and then eat in the fashion suggested here (fruit/juices/honey/etc.) after a sufficient amount of time passing and get the FGF21 increase? Or is an 8-ish hour break after a protein meal necessary before it is reasonable to expect the increase in FGF21 from eating in this way?

 

[KingOfSushi]

Yep, I understand that and that is why I was asking my question. I suppose I asked it poorly and I should have been more specific. Instead of ending the day with protein as many people are, could one begin a day with a protein meal and then eat in the fashion suggested here (fruit/juices/honey/etc.) after a sufficient amount of time passing and get the FGF21 increase? Or is an 8-ish hour break after a protein meal necessary before it is reasonable to expect the increase in FGF21 from eating in this way?

When in the fasted state from sleeping, your body is more ready able to utilize the sugar to boost FGF is my understanding. If you “spoil” this state by eating a high protein meal as m1, then you’re definitely not optimizing the use of the sugar through the rest of the day from what I’ve researched.

 

[Pheedno]

When in the fasted state from sleeping, your body is more ready able to utilize the sugar to boost FGF is my understanding. If you “spoil” this state by eating a high protein meal as m1, then you’re definitely not optimizing the use of the sugar through the rest of the day from what I’ve researched.

How long does the protein choice take to metabolize, and inhibit?
If you have 200g of Isopure clear in the morning and then adhere, is the entrance to fasted sleep produce more effect?
Or, since the limit to protein synthesis is not there post workout. 200-250g of whey post workout and the other 23hrs are then in this state.
Is it time spent in space or is there something about waking...and not interrupting?
I would jus guess, it's time spent?

 

[buck]

I kind of like going to the gym these days just to see what the sheep, i mean social media influence followers are doing. And a year later they are doing something different and they still look the same. How much more muscle is Mark Bell carrying now then he did 5 or 10 years ago with utilizing his sugar diet?

 

[Pheedno]

I kind of like going to the gym these days just to see what the sheep, i mean social media influence followers are doing. And a year later they are doing something different and they still look the same. How much more muscle is Mark Bell carrying now then he did 5 or 10 years ago with utilizing his sugar diet?

Mark Bell, whatever you think of his current profession, is an accomplished powerlifter, still ranked. Not sure tissue is the goal.

 

[buck]

Mark Bell, whatever you think of his current profession, is an accomplished powerlifter, still ranked. Not sure tissue is the goal.

So what is he trying to improve or gain with this diet if not muscle. Strength? Leanness? Longevity? I quit watching his podcast some years back.

 

[cmryan]

When in the fasted state from sleeping, your body is more ready able to utilize the sugar to boost FGF is my understanding. If you “spoil” this state by eating a high protein meal as m1, then you’re definitely not optimizing the use of the sugar through the rest of the day from what I’ve researched.

Thank you. Any idea on time span needed before your body could be ready to make use of sugars to increase fgf21? I suppose we’d be guessing since it’s not exactly well researched.

 

[Pheedno]

So what is he trying to improve or gain with this diet if not muscle. Strength? Leanness? Longevity? I quit watching his podcast some years back.

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And, He know's how to do a certain thing(exceptionally) that he cant do anymore. Now, I'm executing another thing. Look
BTW, I've never seen a whole episode. I'm old and presume

 

[buck]

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And, He know's how to do a certain thing(exceptionally) that he cant do anymore. Now, I'm executing another thing. Look
BTW, I've never seen a whole episode. I'm old and presume

Me too i am 65. So i assumed the diet was purported to help increase muscle synthesis. As that is what most are shooting for. So if he was pushing the diet for that purpose i just wonder how much muscle he grew that he did not already have. Which would be none as he was far bigger in the past. But i am well aware of capitalism and what it's about. It helped me retire at an age much younger then most with more money too. I have no issues with selling gullible people a magic bean. I just think it is funny. And yes decades ago i did try to purchase a magic bean or 2. But with the ease that knowledge is available these days i find it amazing that real life experience is far down the list from what people go by and think an invitro experiment is gospel.

 

[AlexDavis43]

How long does the protein choice take to metabolize, and inhibit?
If you have 200g of Isopure clear in the morning and then adhere, is the entrance to fasted sleep produce more effect?
Or, since the limit to protein synthesis is not there post workout. 200-250g of whey post workout and the other 23hrs are then in this state.
Is it time spent in space or is there something about waking...and not interrupting?
I would jus guess, it's time spent?

The high carb content could offset some of the decreased protein intake (carbs are anabolic, too)

Just to say, maybe on the high sugar days you could scale back on getting 100% of your usual protein intake that day

Plus the whole diminishing returns for muscle protein synthesis as protein dose increases... at 250 grams the returns are considerably diminished

 

[AlexDavis43]

Me too i am 65. So i assumed the diet was purported to help increase muscle synthesis. As that is what most are shooting for. So if he was pushing the diet for that purpose i just wonder how much muscle he grew that he did not already have. Which would be none as he was far bigger in the past. But i am well aware of capitalism and what it's about. It helped me retire at an age much younger then most with more money too. I have no issues with selling gullible people a magic bean. I just think it is funny. And yes decades ago i did try to purchase a magic bean or 2. But with the ease that knowledge is available these days i find it amazing that real life experience is far down the list from what people go by and think an invitro experiment is gospel.

High sugar might be a little "anabolic" and maybe why sugar dieters might not lose a lot of muscle

But to my knowledge we don't have any long-term sugar dieters

Months not years, and it's kinda hard to see big diet-induced changes in muscle mass in a month

 

[buck]

High sugar might be a little "anabolic" and maybe why sugar dieters might not lose a lot of muscle

But to my knowledge we don't have any long-term sugar dieters

Months not years, and it's kinda hard to see big diet-induced changes in muscle mass in a month

And that goes along to support my satirical post i made a few posts back.

 

[AllOkJumpmaster]

I dont disagree with the premise of the diet, but Id like to see some long term health markers. I do not believe this Cole snake diet fucker has just magically cured "hundreds" of cases of Type II diabetes by having type II diabetics eat nothing but sugar? Big Pharma is fuckin bullshit, but science, and dietetics are not. That said, it is odd that Mark is making 2-3 youtube videos a day about this diet. Like if its working for him cool, great, phenomenal, and if it is helping others cool, but why the sudden absolute out of nowhere saturation of pumping this up so much?

 

[szority]

I dont disagree with the premise of the diet, but Id like to see some long term health markers. I do not believe this Cole snake diet fucker has just magically cured "hundreds" of cases of Type II diabetes by having type II diabetics eat nothing but sugar? Big Pharma is fuckin bullshit, but science, and dietetics are not. That said, it is odd that Mark is making 2-3 youtube videos a day about this diet. Like if it’s working for him cool, great, phenomenal, and if it is helping others cool, but why the sudden absolute out of nowhere saturation of pumping this up so much?

How many years have people been pushing the keto diet or carnivore diet?Interest has dried up I’m sure. So push the sugar diet, because it’s going to catch a lot of views and easy money

 

[KingOfSushi]

How long does the protein choice take to metabolize, and inhibit?
If you have 200g of Isopure clear in the morning and then adhere, is the entrance to fasted sleep produce more effect?
Or, since the limit to protein synthesis is not there post workout. 200-250g of whey post workout and the other 23hrs are then in this state.
Is it time spent in space or is there something about waking...and not interrupting?
I would jus guess, it's time spent?

Thank you. Any idea on time span needed before your body could be ready to make use of sugars to increase fgf21? I suppose we’d be guessing since it’s not exactly well researched.

Sorry you guys are asking the wrong fella lol. I just responded based off the logic of the diet and what I researched. @b-boy is the man for these more specifics. I’m not even doing this diet, just find it all very interesting.

I kind of like going to the gym these days just to see what the sheep, i mean social media influence followers are doing. And a year later they are doing something different and they still look the same. How much more muscle is Mark Bell carrying now then he did 5 or 10 years ago with utilizing his sugar diet?

I totally see your point, but mark is not a good example. His goal is downsizing and being as lean as possible, and DEFINITELY looks different than 5-10 years ago and progressed greatly towards his goal.

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[OldManLogan]

Interesting stuff.

I recently stopped drinking soda with my meals and replaced it with fruit. But I kind of went off the deep end, I now eat more fruit than I ever have in my life, I have it with every meal and I have it as a snack. I eat at least 8 pounds of fruit a week, and most of it is pineapple. Im on a half ass cut, its more of a recomp, all I did was start doing light cardio, did not lower calories. Still looking better all the time despite not cutting calories and the massive fruit intake.

This is where I landed this week. Scale reads the same, but body composition seems a bit better. Less gut bloat for sure.

 

[OldManLogan]

When in the fasted state from sleeping, your body is more ready able to utilize the sugar to boost FGF is my understanding. If you “spoil” this state by eating a high protein meal as m1, then you’re definitely not optimizing the use of the sugar through the rest of the day from what I’ve researched.

My understanding of this is that fat also stops the FGF boosting effect, correct? So when I supplement with fish oil , I should stop taking it in the morning when I wake up, and leave the fish oil for the evening? Or is this just splitting hairs at this point?

 

[hevi-head]

I’ve always taken L-Glutamine before my cardio in the mornings but have seen it mentioned that certain amino acids can blunt FGF21. Apparently glutamine is one of them. Just found it interesting


Research indicates that L-glutamine may influence FGF21 levels, but it doesn't necessarily "blunt" them in all contexts. Here's a breakdown of the relationship based on the search results:
1. Glutamine Depletion and FGF21:
Studies involving L-Tsc1 KO mice with high liver mTORC1 activity show increased FGF21 expression and depleted glutamine levels.
When these mice were treated with glutamine, the increase in FGF21 was blunted.
2. Amino Acid-Deficient Diets and FGF21:
Amino acid-deficient diets trigger an amino acid response (AAR), resulting in elevated FGF21 levels.
This suggests that amino acid availability, including glutamine, can impact FGF21 expression.
3. Role of FGF21 in Amino Acid Starvation:
FGF21 mediates the lipid metabolism response to amino acid starvation, and its expression is induced by leucine deprivation.
The induction of Asns expression (involved in glutamine synthesis) in FGF21-deficient mice suggests that FGF21 is not directly involved in controlling amino acid metabolism under amino acid starvation, but rather mediates the downstream lipid metabolism response.
4. FGF21 and Glutamatergic Neurons:
FGF21 signaling to glutamatergic neurons in the brain plays a role in suppressing sugar intake and sweet-taste preference.
In summary:
Glutamine levels can influence FGF21 expression, and restoring glutamine in a depleted state can blunt elevated FGF21.
However, FGF21's primary role in amino acid starvation seems to be related to lipid metabolism rather than directly controlling amino acid metabolism itself.
FGF21 also plays a role in the brain's response to macronutrient sensing by signaling to glutamatergic neurons.
It is important to note that the exact mechanisms by which glutamine influences FGF21 and the complex interplay between different amino acids and FGF21 require further research.

 

[CorgisOnTren]

How long does the protein choice take to metabolize, and inhibit?
If you have 200g of Isopure clear in the morning and then adhere, is the entrance to fasted sleep produce more effect?
Or, since the limit to protein synthesis is not there post workout. 200-250g of whey post workout and the other 23hrs are then in this state.
Is it time spent in space or is there something about waking...and not interrupting?
I would jus guess, it's time spent?

I preface this with I am totally thinking out loud here based off watching chase irons content and following brads log/input in this thread.

I don’t think there’s anything special about “waking” and I agree it’s just time…. But…

The way Brad explained it as a dial is good to think here. After not eating all night that knob towards fgf21 is already in a solid place and ready for the sugar to enhance it. That way your m1 and all the subsequent meals until your last meal with protein keep reinforcing this fgf21 response.

If you ate all your protein with m1, that dial from the fasted baseline takes a big hit down all the following meals of sugar (while still possibly helping fgf21 rise) aren’t as “productive” as they would have been. If I were to do the sugar diet and fast from protein for most the day, I sure as hell would want to make sure I am getting the most out of that target window of the sugar fast as possible. I am no expert at all, this is just me thinking out loud essentially and coming to the conclusions that seem to make the most sense to me.

 

[AlexDavis43]

I dont disagree with the premise of the diet, but Id like to see some long term health markers. I do not believe this Cole snake diet fucker has just magically cured "hundreds" of cases of Type II diabetes by having type II diabetics eat nothing but sugar? Big Pharma is fuckin bullshit, but science, and dietetics are not. That said, it is odd that Mark is making 2-3 youtube videos a day about this diet. Like if its working for him cool, great, phenomenal, and if it is helping others cool, but why the sudden absolute out of nowhere saturation of pumping this up so much?

It's like kids on a sugar rush but for adults it comes off as a manic episode

Eat a bunch of fruit & candy → dopamine → bipolar mania → make youtube videos ranting and raving how much energy you have and how great this diet is