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LBA's contain Sucralose...

Swifto

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This was raised at another board on discussing LBA's and I wanted to bring it here as many members use LBA's. I also wants Phil's thoughts on it.

This was also brought to my attention, regarding sucralose:

Is Sucralose a Dangerous Sugar Substitute?
By Andy Malin

Most people know that too much sugar is a bad thing, especially processed refined carbohydrates. We are a society of health conscious, more specifically, weight conscious people. Low-Carb diets, the hottest diet regime ever, has people looking for calorie-free sugar substitutes. So, when Splenda (aka sucralose) came along, people thought their prayers had been answered. But ingesting sucralose could cause more damage than people think.

Sucralose has a molecular formula of C12H19CL3O8, which is produced by chlorinating sucrose, ordinary white table sugar. It is a five-step process discovered in 1976 by a British company, which sold it to Johnson and Johnson Company who then formed McNeil Specialty Products to commercialize sucralose. In 1998, the USFDA approved sucralose for food use and today Splenda has surpassed Equal (Nutrasweet) in dollar market share.

The human body is very good at detoxifying itself of certain substances, but this is not the case with organochlorine compounds, which are organic compounds that have been chlorinated. Dioxin, one organochlorine compound that is a by-product of the paper bleaching process, is 300,000 times more carcinogenic than DDT, an insecticide that was banned because of its toxicity. These compounds have been linked to birth defects, cancer, and immune dysfunction. These chemicals stay in the body and accumulate over time. According to the Sucralose Toxicity Information Center, the absorbed sucralose and its metabolites (chemically altered substances) concentrate in the liver, kidney, and gastrointestinal tract. Splenda manufacturers claim there is minimal absorption of Splenda and its metabolites. The FDA says there is only 11 percent to 27 percent absorption, but the Japanese Food Sanitation Council says as much as 40 percent is absorbed by the body.

According to claims by the manufacturer, the chlorine part of the sucralose molecule is similar to the chorine part of common table salt (NaCl – Sodium Chloride). However, some would caution that using sucralose may be more like ingesting small amounts of chlorinated pesticides like DDT. More long-term independent research is needed to evaluate this safety concern.

Purity is something everyone is striving for. The FDA claims that sucralose is 98 percent pure, but what about the other 2 percent? It contains heavy metals like lead, arsenic, triphenilphosphine oxide, methanol, chlorinated disaccharides, and other potentially dangerous substances.

One study on sucralose showed an increase in glycosylated hemoglobin (meaning damage to the oxygen carrying part of a red blood cell). Research in animals has shown:

1) Up to 40 percent shrinkage of the thymus gland. (Critical for the response to disease – the ‘heart’ of our immune system)
2) Enlarged liver and kidneys
3) Atrophy of lymph follicles
4) Reduced growth rate

In my opinion, not enough long-term research has been conducted on sucralose to establish its safety for human consumption. I feel our government should evaluate the use of natural substances such as stevia or lo Han fruit for use as a non-caloric sweetener. I am sure their safety would prove to be excellent.


It seems some say its safe, others do not...?

Thoughts...
 
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Sucralose has an ADI of 15mg/kg/day. I think as long as you stay within that range you are safe.
A one year exposure at 750mg/kg /day did not cause any side effects.

The side effects mentioned above MAY occur on dosages over 3000mg/kg/day. That is quite a lot.

Other artifical sweeteners do have darwbacks,too. Aspartame for example is supposed to cause brain damage and contribute to the development of Alzheimer and Kreuzfeld Jacob Disease (The Taste that Kills; by Russel Blaylock is a very good book on this topic).

Most things can cause problems when used excessivly. There is some evidence that sucralose can cause problems (M. R. Weihrauch, V. Diehl 2004): Artificial sweeteners – do they bear a carcinogenic risk?) but afaik none has ever been proven.

Moreover Sucralose has been found safe be the european Union back in 2000. Despite the fact that we europeans are rather restrictive with potentially dangerous substances.

If you wanna read up on that topic i suggest "Opinion of the Scientific Committee on Food on sucralose" ( **broken link removed** ) it is 25 pages long but well worth the read...
 
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The studies the article refers to are difficult to apply here because of the sheer amounts of sucralose a grown person would have to eat. I think you only need to be concerned if you are pregnant or nursing - because we really can't test the effects it may have on a developing human.
 
Do all those guys worrying about the few mgs of sucralose they're ingesting through their protein powders or light desserts/beverages pay that much attention to the tons of fillers used to manufacture their d-bol tabs or even question the insane quantity of certain chemicals (BA among many others) found in the UG gear they pin themselves with daily? :rolleyes:

Just wondering...

Not to say sweeteners are/aren't healthy, but sometimes dudes on the board crack me up with their so called "health concerns" when in fact they play with compounds whose potential sides are slightly more frightening than aspartame or sucralose... :)
 
HAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

Do all those guys worrying about the few mgs of sucralose they're ingesting through their protein powders or light desserts/beverages pay that much attention to the tons of fillers used to manufacture their d-bol tabs or even question the insane quantity of certain chemicals (BA among many others) found in the UG gear they pin themselves with daily? :rolleyes:

Just wondering...

Not to say sweeteners are/aren't healthy, but sometimes dudes on the board crack me up with their so called "health concerns" when in fact they play with compounds whose potential sides are slightly more frightening than aspartame or sucralose... :)

HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
 
Foggy memory

Wasn't this a scare in the early 90's with all the artificial sweeteners, but none of them were found to have any problems? I thought what came out of that was that Splenda was the way to go, but watch out for nutrasweet.

Anyway, I guess is time for some googling. A buddy of mine is a VP at J&J, I'll ask him what the company spin is if there is any.
 
Do all those guys worrying about the few mgs of sucralose they're ingesting through their protein powders or light desserts/beverages pay that much attention to the tons of fillers used to manufacture their d-bol tabs or even question the insane quantity of certain chemicals (BA among many others) found in the UG gear they pin themselves with daily? :rolleyes:

Just wondering...

Not to say sweeteners are/aren't healthy, but sometimes dudes on the board crack me up with their so called "health concerns" when in fact they play with compounds whose potential sides are slightly more frightening than aspartame or sucralose... :)
great fucking post right here! :)
 
Do all those guys worrying about the few mgs of sucralose they're ingesting through their protein powders or light desserts/beverages pay that much attention to the tons of fillers used to manufacture their d-bol tabs or even question the insane quantity of certain chemicals (BA among many others) found in the UG gear they pin themselves with daily? :rolleyes:

Just wondering...

Not to say sweeteners are/aren't healthy, but sometimes dudes on the board crack me up with their so called "health concerns" when in fact they play with compounds whose potential sides are slightly more frightening than aspartame or sucralose... :)

why all that sarcasm? sure there are more important things than the toxicity of sucralose in the whole picture.
But it is never wrong to question things.
"Doubt is the greatest sign of intelligence; Francois Mauriac"
 
WELL

why all that sarcasm? sure there are more important things than the toxicity of sucralose in the whole picture.
But it is never wrong to question things.
"Doubt is the greatest sign of intelligence; Francois Mauriac"

LIKE MANY OF YOUR POSTS, YOU ARE ALWAYS QUESTIONING THE LBAs.......IS IT NOT OK NOT TO QUESTION YOU AND YOUR OBSESSION? MAYBE YOU SHOULD TAKE HIS ADVICE AND RELAX A BIT........THERE ARE OTHER THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT IN LIFE. MAYBE YOU SHOULD PURCHASE A BREATHING MASK AND POUR BLEACH IN FRONT OF YOU EVERY PLACE YOU WALK..........NOW THAT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE.
 
Nope Saccarhin

It was saccharin not Nutrasweet(asparatame).

Quote from FDA web:

While questions about saccharin may persist, the safety of another artificial sweetener, aspartame, is clear cut, say FDA officials. FDA calls aspartame, sold under trade names such as NutraSweet and Equal, one of the most thoroughly tested and studied food additives the agency has ever approved.



This is from FDA site about Splenda:

Sucralose: Also known by its trade name, Splenda, sucralose is 600 times sweeter than sugar. After reviewing more than 110 animal and human safety studies conducted over 20 years, FDA approved it in 1998 as a tabletop sweetener and for use in products such as baked goods, nonalcoholic beverages, chewing gum, frozen dairy desserts, fruit juices, and gelatins. Earlier this year, FDA amended its regulation to allow sucralose as a general-purpose sweetener for all foods.

Sucralose tastes like sugar because it is made from table sugar. But it cannot be digested, so it adds no calories to food. Because sucralose is so much sweeter than sugar, it is bulked up with maltodextrin, a starchy powder, so it will measure more like sugar. It has good shelf life and doesn't degrade when exposed to heat. Numerous studies have shown that sucralose does not affect blood glucose levels, making it an option for diabetics.

Link: **broken link removed**

It's crazy how far this controversy goes back. Saccharin was actually banned in 1911 and then the ban was lifted.
 
Do all those guys worrying about the few mgs of sucralose they're ingesting through their protein powders or light desserts/beverages pay that much attention to the tons of fillers used to manufacture their d-bol tabs or even question the insane quantity of certain chemicals (BA among many others) found in the UG gear they pin themselves with daily? :rolleyes:

Just wondering...

Not to say sweeteners are/aren't healthy, but sometimes dudes on the board crack me up with their so called "health concerns" when in fact they play with compounds whose potential sides are slightly more frightening than aspartame or sucralose... :)

that is without a doubt true!!!!!!! thank you! geez!
 
ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE

DO WE REALLY WANT OT WASTE OUR TIME WORRYING ABOUT SUCRALOSE? THIS IS A BODYBUILDING BOARD, WE SHOULD SPEAK ON WHAT WE KNOW AND CAN CONTROL........LIKE MAYBE EXPERIENCE? I DOUBT NONE OF US HERE WORK IN A LAB STUDYING THE EFFECTS OF SUGAR SUBSTITUTES ON RATS? SHOULD WE DWELL ON THESE CONSPIRACY THEORIES OF WHAT IF AND SO ON AND SO FORTH OR TALK ABOUT HOW SOME OF US GOT TO WHERE WE GOT AND MAYBE YOU SHOULD TAKE OUR ADVICE BECAUSE YOU ARE NO WHERE CLOSE TO LOOKING ANYWHERE NEAR THAT.
 
LIKE MANY OF YOUR POSTS, YOU ARE ALWAYS QUESTIONING THE LBAs.......IS IT NOT OK NOT TO QUESTION YOU AND YOUR OBSESSION? MAYBE YOU SHOULD TAKE HIS ADVICE AND RELAX A BIT........THERE ARE OTHER THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT IN LIFE. MAYBE YOU SHOULD PURCHASE A BREATHING MASK AND POUR BLEACH IN FRONT OF YOU EVERY PLACE YOU WALK..........NOW THAT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE.

LOL.. reading comprehension?

I am always critial that is true. But if you re-read my posts on the LBA topic i stated clearly that I DO USE THEM MYSELF. The only thing i do, is to state that they are no more than hydrolized collagen + glycerine. Nothing more, nothing less.
In my above post i even defended the use of sucralose in the LBA product you are selling by saying that astonomical amounts would be needed to cause any dmg.

No need to get sarcastical only because some guys are questioning an ingredient in a product you are selling. It does not cast a positive light on you nor the product..
 
WELL

LOL.. reading comprehension?

I am always critial that is true. But if you re-read my posts on the LBA topic i stated clearly that I DO USE THEM MYSELF. The only thing i do, is to state that they are no more than hydrolized collagen + glycerine. Nothing more, nothing less.
In my above post i even defended the use of sucralose in the LBA product you are selling by saying that astonomical amounts would be needed to cause any dmg.

No need to get sarcastical only because some guys are questioning an ingredient in a product you are selling. It does not cast a positive light on you nor the product..

QUESTIONING SUCRALOSE? MAYBE YOU SHOULD REREAD MY POSTS, I THINK IT IS SILLY TO QUESTION SUCRALOSE.......MAYBE YOU DID NOT GATHER THAT FROM MY POST? POSITIVE LIGHT? DO YOU THINK I MAKE MY INCOME OFF OF SELLING LBAs? REALLY? I MEAN........REALLY? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHA POSITIVE LIGHT? HAHAHAHAHAHHA DUDE, READ THE POSTS ON THE LBAs......WHAT ELSE DO I NEED TO ADD ABOUT THEM? THERE ARE SO MANY GOOD THINGS SAID ABOUT THE LBAs THAT THE MODS HERE ARE GOING CRAZY, AHAHAHAAHHAAHA
 
Well,

QUESTIONING SUCRALOSE? MAYBE YOU SHOULD REREAD MY POSTS, I THINK IT IS SILLY TO QUESTION SUCRALOSE.......MAYBE YOU DID NOT GATHER THAT FROM MY POST? POSITIVE LIGHT? DO YOU THINK I MAKE MY INCOME OFF OF SELLING LBAs? REALLY? I MEAN........REALLY? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHA POSITIVE LIGHT? HAHAHAHAHAHHA DUDE, READ THE POSTS ON THE LBAs......WHAT ELSE DO I NEED TO ADD ABOUT THEM? THERE ARE SO MANY GOOD THINGS SAID ABOUT THE LBAs THAT THE MODS HERE ARE GOING CRAZY, AHAHAHAAHHAAHA

1) i never said YOU were questioning sucralose but "some guys" (i.e. swifto)
2) I dont think you make your income selling LBAs but you surley do sell them nothing more, nothing less.

Nevertheless i think it is pointless to keep the discussion going beyond this point.. everything has been said concering the OTs question i feel.
 
HOw MuCh foR a CaSe

of LBA's to be shipped to me in Paranoidville? :D
 
Pointless. Sucralose is harmless compared with everything else.
Mercury, methyl steroids, ba/bb, muscletech......

calculated risks.
 
There's nothing wrong with V3Gnc3ng334g3232vg33 saying something is unhealthy. That people are doing worse things is a shit argument. That's like saying, "Why worry about smoking cigarettes when you drink everyday?"

I think the point here in not that people are doing worse damage to their bods with other things, but that the evidence of sucralose danger from studies is crappolla.

Unless you're eating raw sucralose by the spoonful, then you might get a shrunken thymus gland (or whatever).
 
Do all those guys worrying about the few mgs of sucralose they're ingesting through their protein powders or light desserts/beverages pay that much attention to the tons of fillers used to manufacture their d-bol tabs or even question the insane quantity of certain chemicals (BA among many others) found in the UG gear they pin themselves with daily? :rolleyes:

Just wondering...

Not to say sweeteners are/aren't healthy, but sometimes dudes on the board crack me up with their so called "health concerns" when in fact they play with compounds whose potential sides are slightly more frightening than aspartame or sucralose... :)

yeahhhhhhhhhhhh :D
 

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